Britain didn't need Americas help to win the war(WWII)
I recently saw someones argument stating that because it was thanks to the U.S of A that europe isn't covered in swastikas well I'ld just like to tell them that they were wrong and that Britain was doing just fine without Americas help
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America would have you think that we single handedly won World War two. When, in all honesty, our contribution was nothing like what Soviet Russia did. Hitler was a tactical idiot for invading russia... in the dead of winter... with no winter uniforms. You just can't beat the mother land in a land invasion. Side: agree
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Britain itself would never have been conquered by Germany. We had already defeated their attempts. Nor was the U.S's involvement necessary for the ultimate victory over Germany. Soviet Russia quickly overwhelmed Eastern Germany, due to the sheer number of troops they had. Side: agree
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would you rather have the Soviets occupying Europe The Germans would have been distracted, allowing for an easier liberation of western Europe by the commonwealth. The result would have been more in our favour (a fresh, unwounded U.S and a more battered Russia). or the States? That would have been even less likely, as the U.S would be at the height of its power, having lost nothing in the war. Side: agree
The Americans did NOT convince canada to join, Canada delcaired war on germany 7 days after the invasion of Poland in 1939...Also canada was in ww1 before the americans. Canadadoesnt take 2 years to make up their mind whether or not to fight like the americans. Fianlly if it wasnt for Canada and the Atlantic covoys in the early part of ww2 britian could have crumbel because it wouldnt have had the supplies it needed, also the royal canadian air force helped the royal airforce defeat the luftwaffe Side: agree
Well think about it we had the best naval force in the world also we are an island and our involvement in the war was rather big id say France would have been completely overrun if it wasn't for us and Russia (this a reference to WW1 and 2), and if this is re faring to WW2 then Hitler didn't have many ships anyways so the war would have lasted longer with out America but nether the less we still would have won. Side: agree
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Britain had one of the best, most long-lasting, military rope-a-dope techniques ever witnessed by man. They let the Germans beat them to the punch at Dunkirk, then bomb them night after night after night after night after night after night after night. I have yet to see Britain throw a punch back. They must still be waiting for the Germans to get tired or something... then again, that could be their collective brains hemorrhaging. Side: Disagree
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In fact I read that Germany saw no need to put grounds forces in Britain because they were considered no threat. I know that Britain beat the German's ground force invasion, it was only a half-ass attempt at putting troops in Britain. If Germany hadn't cut the number of invading forces to a third of the original plan, Britain would have fell within hours. Side: Disagree
"In fact I read that Germany saw no need to put grounds forces in Britain because they were considered no threat." (if that is true)it was a stupid mistake that cost Germany the war. "I know that Britain beat the German's ground force invasion, it was only a half-ass attempt at putting troops in Britain. If Germany hadn't cut the number of invading forces to a third of the original plan, Britain would have fell within hours." Let's look at it from a better point of veiw: It is the height of the war, troops are tired and people are fed up of it France(a great and powerful ally)has fallen after considerable pounding from the Germans Russia is in a very difficult position and therefore cannot help us U.S.A (for unknown selfish reasons) decide not to help us in our time of need Germany is preparing to launch its attacks any time soon We(Britain) survived that without the help of you Americans and would have easily won the war after that epic turning point. Side: agree
"The argument you are disputing: Thewayitis(1207) Supported 1 point In fact I read that Germany saw no need to put grounds forces in Britain because they were considered no threat." Hitler saw them as no threat because the British were considered blond with blue eyes (Hitylers idea of the superior race). Side: agree
"Britain had one of the best, most long-lasting, military rope-a-dope techniques ever witnessed by man." How is this true? "They let the Germans beat them to the punch at Dunkirk, " If you actually look at the statistics we only had 1 commander there when the French had 3. what do you mean by "let them" we could have stayed an lost even more soldiers or evacuated and saved lives "then bomb them night after night after night after night after night after night after night." wait a sec, who's doing the bombing Britain or Germany?(I'll answer for both situations) Britain: this was in fact a very good technique which you Americans also had a hand in, we bombed them night after night after night but you bombed them day after day after day so I don't know what you're talking about. Germany: sure the bombed us but we delt with it better than you ever could, Ever heard of the Battle of Britain. " They must still be waiting for the Germans to get tired or something... then again, that could be their collective brains hemorrhaging." You clearly have no idea about the amount of spywork we did at the time we must have fooled Hitler billions of times(maybe you still haven't been told about that kind of stuff yet) Side: agree
depends really, if the Germans got the japs to attack Britain instead of the Americans, Britain would have been defeated, there is no doubt in my mind about that, even though we had a smashing air force it wouldn't have been enough to defeat the Nazis and the japs. but we would probably get back our independence if the soviets won against the Germans, although if the soviets did win by themselves then they might have tried to claim Britain for their own. and if I'm not mistaken the Americans convinced Canada to join, although i might be wrong about that one. and i must disagree with the statement "we were doing fine" we had been chased out of mainland Europe and British soil was held by the Germany. and we cant forget the humiliating defeat of Singapore http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/ i guess really we could never know Side: never know
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It wasn't really about needing our help because Germany declared war on the US after we declared war on Japan, so we were all in it together. To answer the question, I think that the US was a major factor in defeating Germany. Without the US I think that the war would have been prolonged. It would have taken longer to drive the Germans out of Italy, D-day would not have happened etc. Side: Disagree
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weather they would have "won" or not would depend entirely on one's view of victory. That there would have been as complete a victory as the one that was achieved is certainly debatable. The fact of the matter is that no matter what one thinks of the political ideology of wwii Germany they; nevertheless, had the best and most inovative military of that era. American industrial capacity along with geographical isloation from direct attack enabled US forces to overwhelm axis forces by the sheer number of tanks and aircraft that were deployed in the European theater. On the eastern front Germany faced a similar situation with a flood of humanity that Russia was not at all timid about sacraficing. Some estimates have the Soviet's losses at around 11 million. The answer is "yes" Germany would have lost anyway. Just not to the Brits. More to the Soviets. Germany would have probably at the very least been able to survive as a regime without US involvment. Side: Disagree
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Britain was not at all doing "fine" in WWII, indeed they crushed the Luftwaffe, but they only won by a miracle. The most critical point of the Battle of Britain was Hitlers decision to attack London and British cities, after a German bomber hit civilians in London leading to a revenge attack by the RAF bombing Berlin. If the Luftwaffe carried on for a few weeks attacking British airfields the RAF would have been annihilated, leading to the invasion of England. Britain did need America to lead the D-Day Landings just because of pure man power. The British had the best troops opposed to USA, in my opinion, but they weren't going to win the war in Europe. I am very critical about America not joining the war earlier, but we cant help what happened. We just need to fix our mistakes, and not repeat them. Learning from your mistakes. Side: Disagree
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Britain was not at all doing "fine" in WWII, indeed they crushed the Luftwaffe, but they only won by a miracle. The most critical point of the Battle of Britain was Hitlers decision to attack London and British cities, after a German bomber hit civilians in London leading to a revenge attack by the RAF bombing Berlin. If the Luftwaffe carried on for a few weeks attacking British airfields the RAF would have been annihilated, leading to the invasion of England. Britain did need America to lead the D-Day Landings just because of pure man power. The British had the best troops opposed to USA, in my opinion, but they weren't going to win the war in Europe. I am very critical about America not joining the war earlier, but we cant help what happened. We just need to fix our mistakes, and not repeat them. Learning from your mistakes. Side: Disagree
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As far as i know 2 main things pushed the war in the Allies favor. Mistake after mistake from Hitler and the U.S. The fight in Russia was very close at the beginning of the war and it is U.S supplies and weapons that helped them stay in the war. They may have had manpower but unarmed peasants cant stand up to trained soldiers. America was in the war long before PEarl Harbour. Britain wasn't much more than a painful thorn in the backside of Germany until the D.Day invasion which was in most part an American invasion. It is true that by that time Germany was already losing on the Eastern front but that in itself is because of American money, weapons and supplies. Side: Disagree
you americans are backstabbers when we need you most your never there e.g ww1 and 2, and im sick of yanks sayin they hav best military in world then how come you lost vietnam and bay of pigs then, if thats wat you want to think then so be it but in truthness you cant do anything right Side: agree
your first point is wrong, russia wouldent accept yank supplies and had more than enough factories to produce there own, your second point is utter rubish, the battle of britain was deciding the fate of the world, when us brits won aswell as our commonwealth we showed germany and the world they can be defeated and your last point is also wrong to america was given 2 beaches to secure and the british were given 2 aswell with canada given 1, we went against the best germany had to offer and won were you yanks were up against conscripts and you messed up on 1 beach still, america wasnt a big factor in the defeat of germany it only entered the war to save its own skin, so get your facts right you patriot instead of writing utter rubish Side: Disagree
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