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Bronto Now Thinks Tax Is The "Opposite Of Socialism"

LOL!

Bronto: Not actually. Using taxes paid by people of of every class who work in a Capitalist system is the opposite of socialism

In order to measure the degree to which different states reflect socialist principles, we determined state expenditures and state GDP as the best indicators because socialist states tax and spend a higher percentage of their GDP.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/12783796/1/the-10-most-socialist-states-in-america.html

ROFLMAO.


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socialism noun

so·​cial·​ism | \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \

Definition of socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Side: Dumb Dummy
Hootie(364) Disputed
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Your definition is a patent attempt at a red herring fallacy, since nowhere within it does it state or imply that there is no tax in a socialist society.

Side: Lying Dummy
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If the government owns all property, can it logically take a property tax from you? No. No one owns property but it.

If the government owns all property and means of production, who exactly can it tax? There is no one. They own everything themselves.

That's why taxing people is nowhere in the definition of socialism. Therefore, if there is a tax, it can't be socialism per the dictionary.

Side: Dumb Dummy
Hootie(364) Disputed
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If the government owns all property, can it logically take a property tax from you?

Nobody mentioned taxing property, Bronto. It is very evident that you intentionally misrepresent the topic whenever you are proven to be wrong about anything. You do this because you are a liar and a silly partisan shill who would swear black is white rather than admit culpability for mistakes.

Side: Lying Dummy
Bronto(2002) Disputed
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Nobody mentioned taxing property, Bronto.

It was an example. You can't tax something that isn't there to tax. If you have all the money, how can you take money from me who has no money?

It is very evident that you intentionally misrepresent the topic whenever you are proven to be wrong about anything.

You've failed to address my simple points and questions with logic or at all.

You do this because you are a liar and a silly partisan shill who would swear black is white rather than admit culpability for mistakes.

Still waiting for responses.

Side: Dumb Dummy
Hootie(364) Disputed
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If the government owns all property and means of production, who exactly can it tax?

Good and services, dummy. This has the added value of not disrupting the economy too much, since all goods and services are already taxed by capitalists who intend to make a profit from them.

The turnover tax (Russian: налог с оборота) in the Soviet Union was first introduced during the Soviet tax reform of 1930–1932, soon after the end of the New Economic Policy. It was broadly similar to a Value Added Tax, though its specifics were crafted to serve various Soviet economic-planning goals. It was the main overt or explicit tax during much of the Soviet period, providing 104 billion rubles of the total Soviet state incoming revenue of 180 billion rubles in 1940, for example.[1] On June 30, 1975, the USSR Council of Ministers issued a decree about the turnover tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurnovertaxintheSoviet_Union

Side: Lying Dummy
Bronto(2002) Disputed
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Good and services, dummy

You can actually lose a lot of money in a trade war exchange because other countries can do it back. That's a good way to bankrupt your country.

Side: Dumb Dummy
1 point

Nom's own article. And I quote:

In a completely socialist society, there would be no money. Basic needs such as food, shelter, education and healthcare would be available and provided to everyone, so division of classes based on wealth would not exist.

So who you gonna tax nom? The plants?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestreet.com/amp/story/12783796/1/the-10-most-socialist-states-in-america.html

Side: Dumb Dummy
Hootie(364) Disputed
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Nom's own article. And I quote:

In a completely socialist society, there would be no money.

The article is wrong about this. It confuses socialism with communism. See:-

Marx’s Theory of Money

https://www.ernestmandel.org/en/works/txt/1990/karlmarx/6.htm

Side: Lying Dummy
Bronto(2002) Disputed
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The article is wrong about this

Probably a good argument for why I shouldn't read an entire history book that you suggest. Perhaps you should have read your article as thoroughly as I did. I accept your article as true, and I accept your defeat therefore.

Side: Dumb Dummy
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@Hootie

Nom, you are the one attempting to push everything into a mixed gray area, rather than the clear lines Bronto is defending. It is clear, your intent behind this is to utilize deceit, sophistry, and other vice-filled tactics in order to argue that "things are already kinda' like that, it is merely a matter of degree"--which is inaccurate, as Bronto pointed out.

Side: Dumb Dummy
Hootie(364) Disputed
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Nom, you are the one attempting to push everything into a mixed gray area, rather than the clear lines Bronto is defending.

MathFan, you are an infantile, intellectually deficient troll who would literally side with Hitler if he were arguing with me about any topic in the universe. I'm not in the mood for your thinly-veiled personal attacks and deliberately fallacious diatribe you fucking pleb. You can go. Thanks. Please come again.

PS There is nothing "gray" about pointing out it is untrue that socialists do not tax you.

Side: Lying Dummy
Bronto(2002) Disputed
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MathFan, you are an infantile, intellectually deficient troll who would literally side with Hitler if he were arguing with me about any topic in the universe

You literally agree with over 90% of Hitler's views.

Side: Dumb Dummy
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NOM you like Socialism but what are the personal tax rates in Socialist Countries ? Can you use Al Gore's Amazing Internet to inform yourself ?????????

Side: Dumb Dummy
Hootie(364) Disputed
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NOM you like Socialism but what are the personal tax rates in Socialist Countries ? Can you use Al Gore's Amazing Internet to inform yourself ?????????

No Outlaw, you don't understand. The tax rate is negative in socialist countries. The government gives YOU money. Just ask Bronto. Tax is the complete opposite of socialism.

Side: Lying Dummy
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxratesin_Europe

NOM you like the above link so read and get educated !!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Dumb Dummy
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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The Dummy NOM says guberment gives you money LMMFAO ! Well dummy where does the guberment get the money you uninformed Socialist ???????

Side: Dumb Dummy
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Denmark - 22% corporate tax and personal tax rate of 55.56% (including 8% social security paid by the employee but excluding 0.42–1.48% church tax imposed on members of the national Church of Denmark

LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!! The guberment gives away tax payer dollars you Dumb ASS ??

Side: Dumb Dummy
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxratesin_Europe

NOM you like the above link so read and get educated !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Dumb Dummy