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They have that right. They have no right.
Debate Score:16
Arguments:12
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Business forbidden from offering prayer discount. What say you.

I'm usually against discrimnation, but not in this case. I believe that freedom of belief is a right. If a private business owner wants to offer a service to consenting people, I have no problem with that. They are not forcing people to prayer, just offering a service to paying customers. This is a bad day for liberty.

They have that right.

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They have no right.

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J-Roc77(70) Clarified
2 points

hmmm, I am on the fence here.

The practice could be an exclusionary practice but in this instance I am not sure it was. On the restaurants Facebook page the owner said that meditation is also fine and it doesn't need to be called "prayer" to qualify for the discount. Thats good in word but I wonder how it is in practice, very vague.

I think the Freedom From Religion Foundation jumped the gun here.

Side: They have that right.

I agree as we'll, if an owner wants to be thankful for having people who are thankful for there meal, and they want to give them a discount then so be it. We all have the right to believe or not. If you don't belive then so be it, but being offended by this is just another tactic that I don't agree with. I don't see anyone charging more because people don't pray?? Now that would be wrong. "Right"?

What about A&E;threatening to drop duck dynasty because they pray?! They told A&E;to go ahead and drop them, they were not gonna stop praying and CMT was ready to take the show. I think that in a country with freedom of religion we are slowing becoming a country with freedom but only behind closed doors.. So I will continue to say Merry Christmas and god bless and may my prayers and thoughts be with you.. To people who need it. If a Muslim came up to me and noticed I was having a bad day and was down, and they offered to pray for me, and said May Allah be with you... I would cry and hug them and thank them. Because one belief in god, is all that matters to me. The Muslim had the best in there heart when they said that. And that My friends is what is important.

Side: They have that right.

I agree with you. Well said. .

Side: They have that right.
Atrag(5551) Banned
3 points

They are saying that if you are an atheist you have to pay 15% more than if you're a Christian. Every customer should pay the same price for the same service.

Side: They have no right.
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
2 points

Not really. I'm an atheist, in the technical sense in that I do not believe in a deity, however if all I had to do was hum a little to pay less, I'd do that. It's not like it's against anything I stand for. At best it could be against some atheists principles, but that's like saying it's against some person's principles to use coupons.

If everyone in their has coupons, but you have a personal thing where you don't want to use coupons, it's not like they're making you pay more, it's more so that you're you're choosing not to pay less for your own reasons.

Side: They have that right.

I agree that everyone should pay the same, but I'm troubled by the government telling people what to do. How would you handle this issue?

Side: They have no right.
Atrag(5551) Disputed Banned
1 point

I think you can't have it both ways. If you want everyone to pay the same then there has to be anti-discrimination laws. It is the only way for atheists and christians to be treated equally.

Side: They have that right.
2 points

Hmmm after more information on this I am over here. Here is FFRF's take on this.

http://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/21097-ffrf-paying-customers-better-for-business-than-praying

The federal Civil Rights Act accords all citizens “the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation . . . without discrimination on the grounds of race, color, religion, or national origin.” As a place of “public accommodation,” Mary’s Gourmet Diner may not lawfully offer a discount only to customers who pray.

Even if the practice were inclusive of customers who engaged in prayer to all types of gods (e.g., Allah, Zeus, Satan), the “promotional practice favors religious customers, and denies customers who do not pray and nonbelievers the right to ‘full and equal’ enjoyment of Mary’s Gourmet Diner,” wrote Cavell.

“Any promotions must be available to all customers regardless of religious preference or practice on a non-discriminatory basis.”

The tone of the ladies responses tells me she isn't happy about this.

http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/08/07/ anti-religion-group-threatens-sue-restaurant-gives-discount-pray-eating/#aXEE21vDd6eXfXA2.99

People are just jumping to this conclusion that it is a Christian thing. It is not tied to Christianity. It could be something spiritual between you and your idea of what God is, or it could be you in a moment being grateful to the universe.

May as well be a 15% discount for being polite to her its pretty vague.

Side: They have no right.

I like the civil rights act. Equality is awesome. Do you support it too?

Side: They have no right.
1 point

Back to the rights thing, if they were rights this wouldn't even be a debate, this would be a rally to get this person the rights back that was stolen from them, but that's not the topi.

I feel that what they are doing is at best coercion, and it's not like they are discriminating like that business that didn't want to make cakes for homosexual weddings, they're just offering a little something extra for those who are like them. I don't think it's wholly right, because it's still coercion in business, but I can't call it wrong. I'd give my family extra benefits too, I just wouldn't make it public.

Side: They have no right.