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By the left's own logic Israel is an oppressed minority inside a Muslim patriarchy

Pelosi said no

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Schumer said no

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By the left's own logic Israel is an oppressed minority inside a Muslim patriarchy

Hello W:

I dunno where you guys come from.. Really. I dunno HOW you get through your day. In the world I live in, facts count.. History counts.. And, as hard as you try, you can't change 'em.

Yet....

The Jews were NEVER an oppressed minority in Israel.. That would be NEVER. So, when you start from there, everything you say beyond that is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and even WRONGER than that..

Can I teach you some history??? I don't think so........

excon

Side: Pelosi said no
excon(15799) Clarified
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Can I teach you some history??? I don't think so......

Hello again, ex:

Yeah.. While it's probably fruitless, I'm gonna give it a shot.

The Jews in Israel were NEVER oppressed. Therefore, they NEVER had oppressors.. Oh, they had enemies, who WOULD have oppressed them if they ever won any of their wars, but they didn't. They lost every one of 'em.

So, the question became, what do the victorious Jews do with the Arabs. The left wing Israeli's tried to make peace with 'em. That didn't happen. So, when the right wing Israeli's took over, it looked to the rest of the world, like the Israeli's were the oppressors..

Let's take Gaza for instance.. They're a defeated people. The Gazan's got no place to go.. They are land locked in, and Israel won't let 'em leave by sea. They're packed in like Sardines with NO PLACE to go. Now, I don't like 'em. I'm a Jew, after all. But, Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza is killing indiscriminately..

Are the rockets Hamas shoots at Israel killing people indiscriminately??? They would if they ever hit anything.. Are they proportionate? In the Middle East, nothing is proportionate.

excon

Side: Pelosi said no
DrChamberlin(145) Clarified
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But, Israel's indiscriminate bombing of Gaza is killing indiscriminately..

Good to see that you're just as prominent with the lies here, as you were in your last few attempts. Hell, one of their methods for warning civilians of imminent bombings is literally called roof knocking.

So your attempted lie at calling it "indiscriminate" is already found out to be just that, a lie.

Side: Pelosi said no
DrChamberlin(145) Clarified
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Given the fact that one could barely call it a Jewish state, surrounded on nearly all sides by entities that would rather see them destroyed. I highly doubt you have any idea what "history" actually entails here, or else you would've actually taken the time to try and mention it in your post. Yet all you can apparently do is belittle someone as being wrong, without actually proving them to be wrong, and then proceed to keep your tail tucked in the topic at hand.

So here's your chance excon. What history are you actually going to try and bring up here?

Side: Pelosi said no

Once again, this is just another instance where the left is more hypocritical on it's own terms.

This is just something that they don't care for, nor do they really intend to let it stop. Mainly being that it helps with their own reasons for supplying war in the east, and we already know that under Biden. It's most likely going to be the case that the US is funneling support into to both sides of this conflict.

This also isn't helped by the fact that many of the left's most prominent figures, or even just some of the most verdant members in their base. Are all insanely fervent anti-Semites. Much like when we discovered most of the women's march leaders back in 2017 had all been guilty of posting some rather disgusting material on social media. As well as the likes of AOC, Ilhan Omar, and many more.

Side: Pelosi said no
excon(15799) Disputed
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..many of the left's most prominent figures, or even just some of the most verdant members in their base. Are all insanely fervent anti-Semites.

Hello Dr,

You mean like Chuck Shumer, Bernie Sanders and Diane Fienstien??? And, you wanna talk to me about history??? DUDE!

Here: Learn yourself something..

Season 3, Episode 1: Why Most American Jews Are Democrats

https://associationforjewishstudies.org/ publications-research/adventures-in-jewish-studies-podcast/why-most-american-jews-are-democrats-transcript

DUDE!!!

excon

Side: Schumer said no
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Well isn't this cute, you finally learned how to pull up a decent link. It only took several months of trying to repeatedly beat such a premise into you.

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Now as to what Wald can't put his own finger on, as to why Jews vote democrat to such a degree. He did mention something interesting. The conversation gave way to the exact same lie that had been told by the left, and unfortunately Wald should've called Shere on it.

Even prominent Jewish conservatives, such as William Kristol, the late Charles Krauthammer, and New York Times columnist Bret Stephens did not support Trump. In fact, they were at the vanguard of the Never Trump movement. As Wald notes, Trump's language about illegal immigrants from Mexico and his initial hesitancy to reject the support of white supremacist figures, such as David Duke, gave Jews serious pause.

Unfortunately, Wald was not on the ball at this point in the conversation. Which even goes on the mention Steve Bannon, who despite all of the things being said about him in the media. None of it was actually ever proven, nor did that ever make it more of an issue.

As for what I stated:

https://insidesources.com/as-attacks-continue-will-democrats-confront-their-anti-semitism-problem/

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/11/house-democrats-ilhan-omar-antisemitism- 1163728

Still, you did try so that does deserve some recognition. However you need to stay on the ball here. I did not say that the people voting for the democrats have the problem with anti-Semitism. It was the democrats who're in power themselves.

Side: Pelosi said no
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