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 CD Members: Thoughts on How to Best 'Clean-Up' & 'Upgrade' the Forum? (19)

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CD Members: Thoughts on How to Best 'Clean-Up' & 'Upgrade' the Forum?

CD Members: Thoughts on How to Best 'Clean-Up' & 'Upgrade' the Forum?

"Birds of a feather, flock together"

Lets face it CD, we have a problem.  Our problem is that the reigns have been let go to such extent it has created a 'safe space' for those who desire to do mischief rather than Debate.  Addlt has provided us (the CD Community) with an incredible platform & it is up to us to fix it from the ground up--or else, the present state will linger on indefinitely.  The proverb quoted above is meant to plant a flag, one in which indicates to onlookers the type of 'tribe' who reside under it. 

Consider, PhysicsForums.com attracts those with interests and varying degrees of ability in Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry, ect., and maintains the 'nation' by a type of 'Merit-based' system.  That is, one is allowed to enter the Community, though upon entrance, they must abide by certain rules or else they will quickly become 'flagged' as a problematic element.  Moderators rarely have to directly intervene as the Community holds problematic elements accountable, very similar to how Stack Exchange functions, in principle.  Likewise, most particularly on Stack Exchange, reputation is built up through post history and is assigned to each members.  The strength of the contributions thus translates to the strength of the members reputation as well as the opposing end of the spectrum (i.e. weakness of contribution translates to weakness of reputation).  The model employed by the sites has proven highly successfully--join them & see for yourself if you doubt this.

CreateDebate could potentially become a site that attracts people interested in serious debate, the likes of which found modeled by the Oxford Union, IntelligenceSquared, ect. ect.  We already know there are many people 'out there' interested in such discussion, as Quora, Stack Exchange, PhysicsForums, ect. are already highly successful at attracting such people and keeping things in-line.  Then, we see, we have a PR/marketing problem, one that can only be fixed from the inside-out.  

Now, I propose it is time for us to 'brain-storm' ideas how to clean-up our broken-down bar--and that is why I am reaching out to all of you devise strategies to this end.  If one were ever interested in playing out a "Road House"-type fantasy, now is your chance to become the 'best damn cooler(s) in the business.  We need 'Daltons'.  There are certainly those who would resist the change, though if we are determined to push through, there is no telling how successful CD could become--as once 'fixed-up', recruiting from Quora & the like would prove trivial to accomplish.

Any & all ideas welcome.  Thoughts?        

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I don't think there is much the users of CD can do to fix the problem. Without some type of moderation or tools for users to moderate things themselves, this site will always be a haven for trolls. I've been here for 5 years now and it just continues to get worse every year. The only changes to the site I can think of during that time have been the ability to underline, which is broken, and the addition of Petitions, which hardly anyone uses. There have been many suggestions on ways to improve the site, but none of them have been implemented. Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, Example 4. Andy asked people what features should be added to the site 4 years ago, but I don't think any of them were ever implemented.

I've pretty much given up hope on this site, which is why I rarely participate anymore. Most of the quality debaters are long gone. I hate to say it, but I don't think this site is ever going to change. I've considered building a new debate website that combines the best features of all the debate websites, and allows users to filter out trolls, but I'm just not sure I want to put the time and effort into it.

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Hey, if you do please let me know. I used to really love this site but the amount of garbage that's been happening here is starting to pile up.

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We should allow on-site shootings. Eventually we will take out all the bad apples like.... wait.... ;)

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We should allow on-site shootings. Eventually we will take out all the bad apples like.... wait.... ;)

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When you create a debate, there is a way to add a list of users to ban from your debate. As moderator, you have to compile that list. You determine what constitutes trolling. As far as any new/additional features, it takes money. Are you willing to help pay for these new features?

Send me a message if you want me to talk you through banning users. However, it is not automatic. You have to set it up for every debate you create.

On a bigger picture, this country is currently split along partisan lines. It is roughly 50-50. It is not possible for one side to dominate or eliminate the other. We have to figure out a way to accept each other. People are different. We have to learn to live with that and move on ;)

jolie(9806) Clarified
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My doctor said that if I keep on rolling my eyes at other people's antics, I will wear my eyes out and he will have to replace them. I just sigh now ;)

LittleMisfit(1745) Clarified
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The problem with that ban feature is it's only useful for debates I create. Plus it doesn't stop the people who have an army of puppet accounts.

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@jolie

When you create a debate, there is a way to add a list of users to ban from your debate. As moderator, you have to compile that list. You determine what constitutes trolling.

Yes--this is precisely along the lines I am thinking. Additionally, when one creates a debate, it is in their power to assign other members as Moderators as well. Then, we see, a self-refereeing structure could quickly arise in which a number of 'trusted' members are made Referees to new debates, a ban list is put into effect for known 'trolls', and an official 'Rule Book' can be laid out on a separate Thread.

Now, if a member resorts to egregious behavior/strong ad hominem, then one of the Moderators can issue a 'warning' or 'foul'. Each member will be allotted a 'foul' count per Thread of 'x' (to be determined) and a large 'foul' count generally 'y', which if reached, will land them on the Ban list.

This requires no new/additional features nor money--just a bit of Community planning & effort

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@LittleMisfit

Thanks for you input

I don't think there is much the users of CD can do to fix the problem. Without some type of moderation or tools for users to moderate things themselves, this site will always be a haven for trolls.

There are tools to Moderate ourselves, as Jolie pointed out. As of now, they have been typically left unused however--I think it is high-time we start utilizing these features in a sensible manner

I've pretty much given up hope on this site, which is why I rarely participate anymore. Most of the quality debaters are long gone.

The site will only attract people that are of similar quality to the structuring itself. That is, 'good debaters' due not want to engage in 'bar fights', then we need to clean up the establishment in order attract more of the 'good'

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Maybe this is just me but having a way to create a list for those who have multiple accounts to keep track of who is who on here would be helpful.

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@Mint tea

Good suggestion Mint. In fact, we could create a separate thread titled "Alt-Account Watch" purposed to hold abusers of the system accountable by the Community. All CD members would be encouraged to 'report a new finding' as they arise to the Thread--much like issuing a police report. Also, we could follow through with the same idea for "Troll Watch"

A limit on repetitive topics (I may be guilty) that are really just babbling about similar themes over and over. I don’t wanna put any limit on freedom of speech UNLESS it is belligerent ranting or promoting violence. Some people just post personal attacks on individual s and this distracts from REAL debating

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@Slavedevice

A limit on repetitive topics (I may be guilty) that are really just babbling about similar themes over and over.

Yes--we could create a Thread linking similar topics together as well, sort a 'Home page' for topic 'x' which compiles the list of Threads. This could be opened to the Community who contribute to the effort as they please

don’t wanna put any limit on freedom of speech UNLESS it is belligerent ranting or promoting violence. Some people just post personal attacks on individual s and this distracts from REAL debating

Yes--this is why self-Refereeing system could prove very useful, as it will not be as strict as Formal Mods while more structured then Anarchy. That is, it would be like a self-organized pick-up Basketball game, with player-referees, score keeping, ect. who keep the game more structured, productive, healthy, ect.

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We should allow on-site shootings. Eventually we will take out all the bad apples like.... wait.... ;)

What is your biggest problem with the site as it is right now? Please be specific, as I don’t really understand even after that whole long opening, what exactly it is you want to change.

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Hello x:

There's dozens of things the OWNER could do if he wanted to "clean up" the site.. There's NOTHING any of us can do..

Besides, why are you asking us?? I thought your mantra was HOW to change society from the bottom up.. I'm SURPRISED you don't have an answer..

excon

xMathFanx(1723) Clarified
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@excon

There are plenty of things we (the members) can do to self-organize more efficiently.

Attld has provided a basketball court & hoops, now we are the players with the basketballs and it is up to us to determine how to organize the matches. This is consistent with anything from a broken down ill-structured informal game to creating a self-organizing league of high quality which would naturally attract stronger players from elsewhere.

Besides, why are you asking us?? I thought your mantra was HOW to change society from the bottom up.. I'm SURPRISED you don't have an answer..

I am asking 'you' as a collaborative effort of minds is far superior to individual efforts--as we have already seen some good suggestions from other members. I am sure more will come to the fore in time. As good ideas accumulate, we will have many potential options to implement & try-out

I would really like to know how this site does compare to similar places online as far as traffic and participation. What tactics are being used to draw people here? I don’t Tweet- but would I reach more people there?

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Why bother? Wouldn't it be easier to just switch to DebateIsland?

Http://www.debateisland.com