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Ended:10/22/08
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CD POLITICAL DEBATE - BE AWARE MEMBERS!!

*Little minds achieve little success*

No, this is not your typical political debate. It's about CD Politics and how the site brain trust governs the site. No one should have write something like this but the situation is serious enough to do so. I've named the names...two rather small ones and THE one who instigated and orchestrated it.

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3 points

this is gay...

Side: Stop being childish
Meghan(51) Disputed
4 points

Am I on a political debate website or a soap opera message board? I'm a little confused...

Side: Stop being childish
4 points

Haha. Very very true. Except it's not always political debate... :P

Actually, this efficiency hit thing has happened to me before too; don't worry too much. My efficiency dropped from 80-something percent to 60-something.

Side: Stop being childish
repubgal(336) Banned
1 point

haha!

Yea, good point...

Sorry, I am easily rattled, as I mentioned before....

I don't like being put down, and I will do practically anything to avoid that!

Side: Stop being childish
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Hi Meghan...although that remark was unworthy of you I do understand it since you were not involved in this fiasco...I hope you never will be.

Side: Stop being childish
Inkwell(328) Disputed
3 points

I am not aware of how a discussion can be either homosexual or happy. So what point are you trying to make?

Side: Stop being childish
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I concur, super gay...

Side: Not all teens are like this
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Great reply pyg!

Side: Not all teens are like this
2 points

I stand behind my friend who is a respected member here. Shame on you for coming to a debate site and turning it into a trash bin. This is a place for exchange of ideas.

I think that you reacted emotionally rather than logically and did not know when to stop. I believe that it is important to not only treat others as you would like to yourself be treated, but to carry yourself with integrity. The only thing that you can accomplish by behaving this way is a bad reflection of yourself.

I personally don't care about votes. I say what I want to say because it is truly what I believe and it is well thought - after that I don't care what others think. I don't answer to anyone for what I believe other than myself. Kuklapolitan does care and she is a very fair debater.

You seem very naive and with any luck, we who are here because we like the environment before this, because we don't like the way you treat people, will stand up and say you are out of line.

Side: Not all teens are like this
repubgal(336) Disputed Banned
0 points

I DID NOT AND WILL NOT TURN THIS SITE INTO A TRASH BIN!

I NEVER tried to destroy an efficiency rating! That is so petty!

I may have reacted, in some ways, emotionally in my responses. However, I tried to be rational. I completely agree with the golden rule, so I didn't go and try to make a nuisance of myself. I'm being accused of things I didn't do...

I don't either. Votes mean nothing. I rather be continually down-voted and make a point than vice versa...She is not a very fair debater if she's throwing around false accusations!!!!!!!!!!

I may be a little naive....However, I have done no wrong, but resorting to crude comments because I am angered easily..Call me McCain...I am not out of line..I do not treat people judgmentally. I am a good person, with stubborn opinions...If you don't like that: don't talk to me...SIMPLE!

Side: Not all teens are like this
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i think you ppl need to leave poor repubgal alone she has apparently done nothing wrong and all you ppl do is harass her why dont u focus on the point of this website and debate politics and thing of hat sort not bother the not!!!! 14 year old. oh ya how old are you anyway, u said u weren't 14 so i was just wonderin. P.S. why do you want to make me an enemy i dont get it?

Side: Leave her alone
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Thank you my friend Jamais! If I didn't work so hard at what I do here, I wouldn't care either...but to leave the site at night with an 82% efficiency rating and come in the next day and find it went down to 53% overnight....is just TOO much. That's when the names came...and I'm glad of it. Repubgal lies, cheats and steals what you've created over time...and in the blink of an eye! Be warned my friend!

Side: Leave her alone
2 points

And so it ended, the mass fighting between the armies of Repubgal and Kuklapolition. Everyone was tired, hungry, and bored out of their mind. So they came to an agreement to stop fighting, and they lived uncomfortably happily ever after.

Thank you kids for letting me read to you...

kids...?

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.........................................................

I put everyone asleep?

Again?

Side: Happy ending

[email protected] BOSS...Do you think they lived happily ever after? You're such a cutie...but it's the calm before the storm my friend. Thank you for the story-book ending though.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...I'm AWAKE!!!

Side: Guilty as Charged
repubgal(336) Banned
1 point

LOL..

Yea, I can only hope the rivalry subsides.

I am the kinda person who doesn't hold a grudge. If it stays this way I will be more than happy. All the best, you know?

A fairy tale ending can only be hoped for, but I appreciate it!

Side: Happy ending
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OMG...I could write a million words and you still would not get it. There is no rivalry here and there never was. You could never be my rival...you don't have what it takes to be any such thing. As they say...in your dreams.

Side: Guilty as Charged

This is the last debate I'll post and I truly hope it does more than annoy the creators of this site...fix the problems here so that decent people cannot be undermined by little children with retaliation psychosis.

When I entered this site the other day my efficiency rating went from 82% to 53% overnight. Who is the culprit or culprits? I ACCUSE REPUBGAL along with her cohort dcool15. It's also possible The Boss might have stepped in but REPUBGAL IS the main offender.

Watch these people. They will take an account in good standing and wreck it just because they can. I've told you and warned you long ago that something like this would happen...and now it has. You've done nothing to rectify it as yet. I sincerely wish and hope you will.

The teens need their own territory here, if they wish to debate/argue and play these games amongst themselves. They should be allowed to enter into debate with more mature minds...ever! Why shouldn't they? Because they cannot be reasonable when things do not go their way. They may be smart at school but for all their intelligence their ages limit their sensibilities. They goad when they have nothing else to say and then then come in to vote you down until there's nothing left to be proud of. I will not operate in such a manner and anyone here that knows me at all.....knows that!!!

REPUBGAL...you need much help psychologically and much more experience in life to debate with intelligent adults. Suffice it to say that I am a former member of MENSA with genius IQ. Only one person here knows that because I don't lord it over anyone and do not wish to. You are 14 years old...you don't have anything to add here. Get out before it's too late.

CD...I have enjoyed my time here until this situation cropped up. THINK of what these people have brought here and do something before this site gets a reputation.

Side: Get thee gone from this place
kirstie1126(480) Disputed
4 points

I wish that there was an option of "neutral" instead of just "favor" or "oppose."

Anyways, I both favor and oppose your above post, Kuklapolitan. ;)

I agree that when we have issues, the creators should listen to them, this site is a beta release after all!

I agree that there is no reason why one's efficiency rating should go down, or up, that much so soon... unless there is foul play going on. I am sorry that this happened to you.

I will admit that I will up or down vote people's posts with out always posting why... some times some one already said it better than me, but it is our right to use the CD site as it is designed... to vote up or down debates we agree with or against... not the people posting them!

I do not agree that we should limit the age on this site... we should want the youth... (of which myself at 28 is still part of as I have a LOT to learn in this world still...) to learn from the adults, or more experienced, in a topic of debate! For example, I know a lot of about nutrition, it is my field, and I know more than my parents on the topic. But there are lots of other things, like being a parent, that they know more about than I do. My point is we can all learn from each other! You said it right in that it is an issue of experience in life... and not one's age. Who are we to judge at what age some one had the proper experiences to debate a topic? Maybe by learning what the younger generations think about things, we can learn how to better communicate and educate them, or even learn some thing from them. What is learned/gained by kicking them off the CD site or pushing them aside to one section of the debate? Do we do the same with different genders, races, etc? No! Technically, this is ageism!

Also, you ask others to not use personal attacks... but above you personally attack some one! Now, I understand that you felt like you were defending yourself, and you have that right... but you could have also been the bigger (maybe older, more experienced, more intelligent, so you said) person and let it go with out stooping to their level.

Side: don't create multiple accounts

I definitely appreciate what your going through and realize how frustrating it must be. I also agree that the site should be fixed so that things like this cannot happen.

I wish you would not lump all teens into the same category here though. I am 17 and have tried to make a meaningful contribution to the site.

People like Rupubgal do need to be stopped, but don't make it a war against youth; some of have things we want to say.

Side: Not all teens are like this

Thanks andsoccer16...and believe me, I do not lump all teens into the same category. I have infinite respect for you and the way you have conducted yourself on this site and had no idea how old you are. There's a vast difference between 14 and 17...it's called maturity and respect. You happen to have both. Bravo! I have friends here that are very young, the youngest is 15 and we're good buds and have had great conversations. I'm glad you're here soccer...this site needs all the good people it can get!

Side: Not all teens are like this
repubgal(336) Disputed Banned
-1 points

'people like me'

Don't tell me I need to be stopped because I have opinions that are very stubborn.

I don't go around destroying efficiency ratings!!!!

Side: Not all teens are like this
-1 points

I go to another site with up/down voting and they call this problem "karma bombing." Karma bombing is when one person gets pissed at another and goes through and downvotes every argument the person has ever posted. They solved this problem by simply turning off up/down voting on an argument that is older than a few days.

I too got about 15 downvotes around the time Rebupgal declared me an enemy; however since we can't prove anything, I don't think we should be making accusations.

I went through and upvoted all your arguments I hadn't already voted for to try to negate the effects somewhat. I guess this could be a temporary solution when it happens to somebody. If you really care I suppose you could make another account or two for yourself and then use them to upvote all the arguments on your current profile. It's kind of a silly thing to do, but could cancel out the negative effects.

Side: Disable voting on args older than a week
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
3 points

Not good ideas.

Playing the system in your favor because you feel cheated will not make yourself feel better, only look better. Then, when there's not a problem, you can just log into your other accounts and start up voting yourself and backing yourself up all of the time.

It's like drug use, just don't start.

There are better ways to fix the system and that's what we should be working on. Nothing is impossible, and nothing gets done the right way when they are making decisions alone that will effect an entire community.

Basically this means that I am again advocating everyone's participation in solving this issue fairly and correctly because it is something that, even if it hasn't effected you, can without much effort. Again, do not create more than one account because you will again be undermining a known flaw in the site.

The last thing we need right now is a mass corrupt user base bent on exploitation of the system.

At that point I would probably call in my /b/rothers and you would see hell as you've never seen it, because what after that would be worth holding on to here?

Side: Stop being childish

I kinda like the following suggestion:

"make another account or two for yourself and then use them to up vote all the arguments on your current profile."

Because it teaches how government slowly becomes corrupt. In order to keep corruption at bay, you have to keep on changing the rules so that no one can exploit the inherent flaws (that exists in every system) for long.

Side: Innocent
repubgal(336) Banned
0 points

Thank You!!!

I know what your implying, but thank you for saying you can't accuse me...

Honestly, I downvoted you a few times. NO WHERE NEAR 15! So, that may be someone else...

I have not, however, downvoted KuKu!!!! Here I'll upvote you both for the heck of it...because it means nothing to me!

Side: Innocent
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repubgal(336) Disputed Banned
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Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
4 points

I really shouldn't have to say anything about it, but both of you are being childish.

Side: Stop being childish
repubgal(336) Banned
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1 point

What am I missing here? Is there some remuneration to the point system that I am unaware of? Jeez, i am downgraded for the three line posts I make which are totally a recitation of fact and no opinion at all. Is there a reason I should care? I hope I am respected or disrespected for the quality of my posts but I know that some liberals will downgrade me because they don't like what I say. Who cares? Others will downgrade me because I don't suffer fools easily or mince words. I really haven't paid any attention to my cumulative point total or efficiency rating, just sometimes try and figure out what could possibly earn me an up or down vote for a simple, short quote or recitation of facts. I assume that childish behavior or vindictiveness are standard fare. Why should i care about those who engage in that sort of behavior? I don't accept or invite alliances or enemies. I just do my thing. I really don't understand why this is a big deal. The thread calling it out is what makes it a big deal and frankly if someone is causing dissent by engaging in the behavior being accused, they win when you throw this hissy fit. It is a fact of life that some on the net get their jollies by causing others pain or discomfort. So when we give them the attention they want, we hand them victory.

Side: BYE BYE BYE USELESS
repubgal(336) Banned
1 point

STOP!

I am no lizard.

Those comments you posted from your page WERE NOT the last ones I left. Please, I have made numerous pleas saying stop this immature behavior. It is appalling. I am trying to show compassion here, empathy possibly. However, you are making this extremely difficult. Just let me be. I did no wrong KuKla so therefore I KNOW you have no clue who downvoted you. I will not stand for this any longer. This is a public debate site, and some would consider this treatment harassment. I don't know what to say. When I debate, anyone, I NEVER let my views get in the way of how I look at that person. Some of my closest friends have completely different views as me. I made the awful mistake of judging you here KuKla. I am sorry. If you won't forgive me for my judgment of you, that is your problem. Just don't make false accusations, please. At the very least, come to me first. KuKla, I do respect your outspoken views as well as your intelligence, but not your continued name calling.

Thank You...

Heather

Side: Your turn KuKla
repubgal(336) Banned
1 point

Congratulations! We have made it to the most heated list! Celebrate. Oh, wait...In this case that would be bad. Oh well!

Side: Innocent

6 days ago I got 40 down votes in 24 debates! I don't know who did it nor why. Since there's nothing I could do about it, I moved on. I don't like to act on an assumption. Well...., actually I tried to see the silver lining by asking Bradford if I beat his record. I think I did!!! ;)

But hey, there's going to be a town hall meeting and we can discuss it then.

I propose that people get to vote the best argument for a given debate up and the worst argument for a given debate down. This way the best arguments rise and the worst get buried (so you'll see less of mine). Then you only have to read the top few arguments. You only get rewarded for good arguments and punished for bad arguments. Mediocre arguments have no affect on your score and no one person can drastically affect your score. And it will probably really screw up my numbers ;)

Please bring other ideas to the table.

Side: Innocent

Is there really going to be a Town Hall Meeting??? When...the twelfth of never? It's taking much too long to get this one issue settled once and for all. What they did do isn't working and goes against all honest people here. What's the time-out on being able to up or down vote someone? Does anyone know?

Side: Innocent

We have another very likely name....ohfackk! This one joins and asks myself and Bradf0rd to join her as an ally! We both refused...no real action on the account. You may also wish to watch the name jodi

Side: Guilty as Charged

What is this? I don't get it.

Side: Not all teens are like this
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You don't get it? It's a debate! You'd be best to read the debate from the creators words through all the replies...then you'll get it, I hope. No, not all teens are like this, we all know that. This is about a particular teen...not ALL teens. If you knew enough to choose that Tag, you must get it!

Side: Guilty as Charged
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But seriously... I don't even care about my efficiantcy or whatever... I wouldn't make a topic, nor if I did it would I say that I didn't.

(not an attack on repubgal OR kuklapolition)

:oD

Side: Finally a GOOD arguement to both sides
1 point

Yes Boss, you may not...but to know that someone is trying to ruin you with malicious intent is not right nor fair. There are many people who do care about their rating and I am one of them! It's the only way I have of knowing whether my arguments are hitting the mark or not. To each his own Boss.

Side: Guilty as Charged
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Acctually, I think they should make it so that you have to post a comment about why you upvoted/downvoted, this way there wouldn't be a problem...

Side: A solution

That is a VERY good suggestion and has been offered up before...I truly hope they can do something like that...it would help a great deal!

Side: A solution

I've decided not to answer any more posts on this matter but the debate will stay until hell has a deep freeze...and with global warming, you never know. My final words to Repubgal, crazyvoice and opinionated plus the other aliases that are suspected are these:

You came here a heavily opinonated young girl of 14. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, strong or weak, and one should be able to voice that opinion at any time.

The mistake you made was in speaking to ME the way you did. Someone else might have let your insulting remarks go but this time you caught the wrong fish. The words spoken by you in your PRO-CHOICE PRO-LIFE debate plus the messages you left for me privately were altogether disgusting and unnecessary. They were also without merit. Here are just some from the debate only:

PRO-LIFE vs PRO-CHOICE (OBAMA vs McCAIN VERSION)

Life begins at the moment of conception

PRO-CHOICE

Side Score: 115

PRO-LIFE

Side Score: 97

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Kuklapolitan(657) Favored -1 points

Again, I agree 100% and couldn't have set it forth better myself. You've said what needed saying...even if everyone needs to be reminded of it from time to time.

Posted 24 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-CHOICE

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Kuklapolitan(657) Favored -2 points

This gives new meaning to the "Phantom." Now do you all see what I mean about down voting? No rhyme or reason and done incorrectly to boot!

Posted 20 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-CHOICE

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repubgal(102) 1 point

I am PRO-LIFE. Life begins at the moment of conception. However, I find it diffucult to understand the justification of pregnancies from rapes and molestations. Not just 'mistakes'. I believe that if it is going to cause harm to the baby, that is when an abortion should be considered. I'm not saying abortion for down-syndrome children. That's not an exception. However, if the baby will live ONLY in misery, without any moment free of pain. You want what is best. It's a sensitive topic. With lots of controversy, but DO NOT tell me it's the womans 'right'. I will NOT tolerate such absurb comments.

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repubgal(102) Opposed 0 points

How does that make since? Just because I'm PRO-LIFE I have to adopt children? Lots of children are adopted by loving homes...It happens!

Posted 6 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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repubgal(102) Opposed 1 point

well sorry bout the since..I hate my google spellchecker (haha)

This is too religion based...I regret making this debate...

That is all I will say because I do not want to appear as if I am forcing my religion (Christianity) on you....

Farewell!

Posted 6 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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repubgal(102) Favored 1 point

Well, yes...and no....

I don't know if pro-chice is the ONLY way to be. or everyone would think that way...

However, goverment and one's convictions are NOT the same, and should NEVER be lumped together. It is interesting to hear the strong arguments presented here.

=]

Posted 6 days ago | Tagged As: goverment or religion

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repubgal(102) Opposed -1 points

Being a Christian I believe that God has a purpose for that particular sperm-egg ferilization...Seeing how this country is 'One nation under God' my beliefs should be justified....I see your point though...I think...

Posted 13 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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Kuklapolitan(657) Opposed 0 points

Do you mean to say that you cannot justify an abortion if a woman was raped or molested? If so, do you also rule out abortion for a 12 year old child or a mother who might die giving birth? The only point I can possibly agree on is that it's NOT an inherent woman's right but a question that has been passed into law making it a right. But it is, no matter what, a woman's choice...and I mean a WOMAN, not a child.

Posted 25 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-CHOICE

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repubgal(102) Opposed -2 points

Oh my, here I go again. Listen buddy, if your going to start contradicting EVERYTHING I say PLEASE have the courtesy of reading the article! Dimwit. I said I'm not sure on how to approach that. If it endangers the life of ANYONE that time, and ONLY that time should abortion be even considered. I am pro-life when a woman becomes pregnant by 'mistake' then you should either have the child and care for it to the best of your ability or give it up for adoption. Something I find interesting about your uhh shall we say 'rebuttals' is that they contain no stance of your own? So, tell me. Are you another narrow-minded liberal, or can you stand to hear me out and possibly change you beliefs??? I bet I could tell you...Well, since currently you are boring me I will bring this one to a close...TaTa

Posted 25 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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Kuklapolitan(657) Opposed 2 points

Allow me to set you in the right direction.

1. I am NOT your buddy and I haven't begun to contradict EVERYTHING you say...yet!

2. Since YOU, as the creator of this debate, did NOT allude to an article nor give us the courtesy of providing the URL for it, it's good I've already apprised myself of their differences.

3. NEVER call me a dimwit or any other name!

4. You specifically stated it was the life of the baby and not ANYONE if endangered.

5. You find it interesting that my rebuttals contain no stance of my own. Even though I didn't register a true argument in this debate I did choose to rebut your ill-advised argument. You may see my argument in due time and when I have time.

6. I would again suggest that you stop or, at the very least, curtail your use of name calling when someone calls you on something. It is nothing more than a tactic as is your feigning boredom then dismissing the individual.

Posted 25 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-CHOICE

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repubgal(102) Opposed 0 points

Ok let me continue this pathetic exscuse of a debate (oops, that doesn't offend you does it?)

1. I use buddy sarcastically my uhhh friend. Trust me when I say you are the farthest thing from either a friend or a buddy. That clear? I guess I didn't realize you that you didn't have the ability to recogonize sarcasm?? I'll try to point it out if I use it again...

2. By article I mean my ENTRY, my WRITING, whatever you call it. Lack of communication there...

3. I am sorry I offended you. However, you show no reason for me to think otherwise. I apoligize for writing that, but not for thinking that. I am WAY too opionated for my own good.

4. Huh? No, not specifically. By the way when I say endangered I mean having over 50% chance of losing their life, OR causing permanant damage.

5. When you have time? If you had the time to write this far-fetched argument, why not enough to take a stand???? Hmm, is your name by any chance Obama?

6. Ok, I uhh again shall state: I apoligize for the dimwitted comment (haha..get it?) BUT you didn't call me on anything???? It is no tatic my ally (SARCASM ALERT) but it is just an expression of my anger towards you. 'feigning boredom' I love that! So original! So unique! So wrong! I not only called you a dimwit (maybe you could use some thicker skin?) I gave other details to support my argument...

So I guess my 6 addresses your 6....How neat (SARCASM ALERT) Well, nice to have this chat.

I will change my stance on one thing I said.

You are no longer boring me! I am intriguied by your very liberal ways...

C ya!

Posted 25 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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Kuklapolitan(657) Opposed -2 points

So sorry, now that I know how old you really are, I must tell you I don't waste my time speaking with children in these matters...and most especially not one such as yourself. AMEN!

Posted 25 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-CHOICE

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ohfackk(7) 1 point

abortion doesn't make you "unpregnant". it just makes you the mother of a DEAD BABY.

Posted 24 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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repubgal(102) Opposed 1 point

awww how sad...

You think that's my REAL age????

Hmmm...

Even if I was 14, I could still win any debate it seems.

Not that you know, care to say something interesting?

Posted 25 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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Kuklapolitan(657) Opposed -1 points

Nice cliche but I cannot agree with that line. The issue of when a fetus actually becomes viable continues to be argued. I see that you are Catholic and probably believe that a baby is viable from inception. This, I strongly disagree with but you are entitled to your opinion and I will not talk you out of your belief.

Posted 24 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-CHOICE

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ohfackk(7) Opposed 3 points

why does everyone assume that my catholic beliefs tie into my opinion ? while it contributes to what i think is right, i was prolife since i was little nd back then i didn't know that it was also an opinion my faith agreed with.

do me a favor and don't even talk about fucking religion in this debate. i'm tired of having to talk about religion in a subject when that can simply be avoided.

Posted 23 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-LIFE

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Kuklapolitan(657) Opposed 0 points

No one answered you but myself so not EVERYONE assumes anything about you! I happened to look at your profile when you wished to add me as an Ally yesterday...without knowing me nor I you, under this name.

People speak about the things they believe in and religion enters into the abortion dilemma to a very large degree. No one is chastising you for being a Catholic but Abortion IS something they feel very strongly about. If you have believed in being pro-life since you were a little kid I don't think you could have possibly known or understood all the ramifications of both sides of the issue. Adults struggle with it and always have! And there's no need to be crude in describing religion...not yours not anyone's. If you don't care for the ways in which people frame their opinions or arguments then you may wish to avoid those in which religion is mentioned. Why do I have the distinct feeling I am dealing with someone I've dealt with in just the past two days? Let my get out my Psychic crystals and guess you've re-entered CD under a new name and the name you had prior to this one was Repubgal!

Posted 23 days ago | Tagged As: PRO-CHOICE

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As much as you tried to convince people that I began the name calling...I did not...you did and I do not stand for that type of thing in debate. What you wrote to me in private has been deleted by me when I thought I was going to leave this site. How I wish I had not done so because I could present a picture of you that isn't very nice...but it is truthful!

You tried in every way you could to destroy me and my good name on this site and that's what brought me back. And much to your chagrin, you lost the battle and the war because I did. Having a brain that works well is not the end all and be all of life. One must take care in approaching a person in a kind and respectful manner. You simply cannot rest on your laurels because you happen to be smart. When being smart turns into being a smart-ass, people begin to withdraw from you. I would be willing to bet this has happened to you many times over in your short life span. If you want that to change then I suggest you get some socialization training and defeat that mean streak in you. People argue and debate on many different levels here and very few of us have a personal problem with one another even when being called out. Those that do, usually have an underlying problem and I truly think you do. You use the push me pull me routine and every other manipulation I can think of. You have either been mentally or physically abused or need to prove something to the world. At such a tender age I can only wonder what it could be that makes you fly off the handle the way you do...and most times because you've misunderstood something. You are always on the defensive and your responses then become offensive.

For me and what I do here, you cannot enter into my life or pleasures in life. I don't trust you one iota and never will. I would suggest that if you're going to stay on this site that you stay as far away from me as possible. You and your aliases will never be allowed in on any of my debates and you can continue to down vote me if you so choose. If I were you I wouldn't do it. If you wish to have the respect of your peers and those who are far above you in age then I suggest you use the name repubgal and make yourself known in a new and responsible way. That does not mean you need to change your opinions. You need to change your responses when someone challenges you. That's all I have to say to you and I would appreciate it if you refrain from sending me further messages either in my message box or someone else's. And FYI...I no longer believe that dcool15 or The Boss are your aliases...but I DO believe the rest are.

These are the last two you sent to my personal mailbox:

repubgal said: When you wrote, 'She has offered no peace agreement' you are mistaken! Let me refer to an earlier comment I made extending the olive branch, then in response, you called me a lizard. SNAP! it broke. Explain. To everyone why you can't just 'forgive and forget' Read your Bible. Forgiveness is what every Christian is supposed to practice. I would love to end this. However, I will let you decide what to do.

Posted 1 day 1hr ago.

repubgal said: haha! I see you are a fan of American Idol...

Good for you...

More to come...Trust me...

Posted 1 day 1hr ago.

TRUST YOU? NEVER!!!

Side: Guilty as Charged
0 points

Ok, I read this because I though it was serious...Like a virus etc.

Come on! Is this a joke????

I personally don't have children...If I did I would encourage them to voice their opinions without fear of being criticized...Please leave this girl alone...I don't see how anything she could have said could be so bad that she deserves this...

Why are you even that worried about it???? This probably means a lot to her, but your probably just killing time...Come on, let's give her a break...Well, I don't know...She could have done something awful...I am often too quick to judge. What did she do???

Side: Leave her alone
jessald(1915) Disputed
5 points

Opinionated and Repubgal have very similar writing styles!!!

Both use ellipses heavily...and look at all the question marks??? Coincidence????

Please don't create multiple accounts. It's unfair and damaging to the community as a whole. Unfortunately, there's nothing to stop people from doing it other then common decency.

Side: don't create multiple accounts
3 points

I agree that this is a major problem. Since I am no computer/internet/network expert how is this sort of thing prevented, though? User IP addresses maybe?

Side: don't create multiple accounts
2 points

They are the same people. This person has several aliases. I wish they'd all just bow out.

Side: Get help for multiple personalities
repubgal(336) Disputed Banned
-1 points

I promise to you, I did not create multible accounts.

I am not nearly that stupid!

Coincidence? Must be..

I don't care what you say about either of us. I am not her, she is not me. I know nothing of her. She left one comment on my account. End of story. You have no right to accuse either of us of such foolishness. How would either of you know? Some people have similar writing styles. You know, really I don't even need to defend myself. I am guilty of nothing.

Side: Innocent
repubgal(336) Banned
1 point

Thanks, I think...

I didn't do anything!

You see, I was accused of being 'too young' so I made a rebuttal concerning KuKu's age (she's 62, I think) I was just making an equal attack...sigh....

Thanks anyway!!!!

Side: Innocent
0 points

This is NO joke Opinionated. You don't know the story so I would advise you to back off rather than make statements like that and then ask...."What did she do?" The point here is to read what is being said by the creator. If you read that, then you'll have the answer. This is worse than a virus. That's something a person can protect themselves from. This is something you can't do anything about except expose the guilty party or parties so that something can be done.

Side: Innocent
opinionated(15) Disputed
2 points

I mostly meant, what could have she done. Im sorry though. I am here only to debate, not to fight with anyone. I don't won't to have to add anyone as an enemy so soon! I would love to try to fix this. I'll step back it this situation just because I know nothing. Despite what most people do, it is better to say nothing only when you know nothing. ;)

Side: Innocent

"crazyvoice said: Kukla...Please don't be petty...I didn't do this, and you know it...That's all I will say"

I thought I would share this private message with you. Who is this person??? Another alias or???

Here's another from everyone's favorite little girl! "repubgal said: Gone...Gone with the wind...BYE BYE BYE!!!!Farewell!!!!No one cares"

Get these people out of this place...check out dcool15's threat on this debate! I'm beginning to believe they are all out of their little minds!

Side: Innocent

And the lizard grows octopus legs and cries crocodile tears! You did it, I KNOW you did it and YOU KNOW YOU DID IT. And why? Because I stopped replying to your insulting juvenile behavior, your path ethic manner of goading and your disgusting insults. The only thing left for you to do was to try and bring me down...but you'll never succeed. It would take more than you to do that...much more. The message I posted was the last I had from you. See how happy you were just three days ago? And see what a coincidence it is that I started this debate just three days ago? That very night when I was trying to up myself it was you who continued to down me and even mentioned the down voting...I hadn't done so but I wasn't answering you either! So you had no idea from ME what I was doing and why...but you knew I was down voted badly. How did you know that, slug? And when I put that word SLUG up on an up-vote on some debate or other...you knew and I never breathed a word of it to you.

Now you wish to make it seem as though you are as innocent as a virgin bride! Not with me Sluggo...I know better. You're one of the most dangerous people in this world...but if one remains silent, like I did...one sees very quickly what you're up to and it's never any good! You wish to make people believe this is my fault...BOO-HOO. Everyone should go and take a look where this all began...your PRO-CHOICE/PRO-LIFE debate. You started this but I'll tell you what...I'll finish it. You've won nothing here. People aren't as stupid as you seem to think they are. Go look at every response you've ever given to ANYONE who has gone against you. And once again...you ARE the one who wrote 14 down on your profile then hastily went to change it when I mentioned it vis-vis the abortion issue debate. Then you had the unmitigated gall to send me a note practically calling me an idiot for believing you! Why shouldn't I believe it...first off, you act it and secondly there are plenty of young people here. If you're the future I'm glad I'm the past...as you so rudely tried to insult me again. Ding-dong the witch is dead RIP, eh? I'm glad not to have to be in a world that you and those like you would create. And that has nothing to do with your age. It has everything to do with your mental state. There's much more to say but I'll stop right here. These people know me...you do not, nor will you. They've seen me call people onto the carpet when needed and we're all still friends with one exception. You need serious help...go find it somewhere.

You don't devour people, you speak with them without insulting them, constantly beating on them in private and then expect them to come running when you say I'm sorry in public. You are so disingenuous it sits on you like a darkened halo. You claim you haven't done anything wrong and I'm here to tell you that you've done everything wrong from day one. Your tactics may work elsewhere with your schoolmates, but not here...and not as long as I'm still alive to catch you at EVERYTHING you do. You won't have enough cheeks to turn. AMEN to you!!!

Side: Guilty as Charged

Repubgal, Opinionated and CrazyVoice are all REPUBGAL...

crazyvoice said: Kukla...

Please don't be petty...

I didn't do this, and you know it...

That's all I will say

Posted 3 days ago.

See yesterday's post from Opinionated where she actually never signed out as repubgal but writes me more trash and signs it Heather. It was PERFECT!!! She is now inviting CD to check the IP Addresses, which makes me believe she's working on two if not three computers... at least one is a lap top with a different ISP. dcool15 is friends with The Boss...I don't know if there is also a connection there.

The down voting is still rampant.

Side: Guilty as Charged
TheBoss(63) Disputed
0 points

I just said I wasn't a part of it.........

Side: theboss is innocent I SWEAR

I'm happy to hear that Boss...you've been accepted moments ago...thanks for asking again.

Side: Believable I think
-1 points

When I entered this site the other day my efficiency rating went from 82% to 53% overnight. Who is the culprit or culprits? I ACCUSE REPUBGAL along with her cohort dcool15. It's also possible The Boss might have stepped in but REPUBGAL IS the main offender.

I never did anything... that is really childish and I barely even know you... sorry but I'm a no- sider...

Side: theboss is innocent I SWEAR
-1 points

I think we should all take a deep breath... forget about it... and just leave each other alone...

Side: theboss is innocent I SWEAR