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Can Defeat US Cannot Defeat US
Debate Score:10
Arguments:5
Total Votes:11
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Can China defeat US

With the recent relevation about China's new military toys ie. the ASBM carrier killer, J-20, ASAT, upcoming carriers, new attack subs, attack drones. along with cyberwarfare. Will China be able to prevent US from defending taiwan or any country in the pacific? China's carrier killer would excentually keep the US carrier way out in the Pacific far from China's coast.  Most US ship would also be vulnerable to this ASBM and those Chinese attack subs. In theory if China modify their ASBM to a ICBM...they could keep the US ship from leaving the dock in the bases in the Pacific. hawwaii, guam, etc. Since the carriers are way out there in the ocean...it will be unlikely US fighter jets would get close enough to China to attack military targets. Most of these ASBM are on mobile launchers making it even more difficult to find and attack if the US jets get through China's multilayer defense. They will also have to deal with China's fighter jets, and anti air defense, those jets will most likely patrolling the skies. This is a fantastic strategy by Chinese military. In the event of war...China will like be monitoring for spy satellites over China air space and will shot them down to prevent US navy from seeing the battlefield. How will the US penetrate this Chinese  defense strategy? This is base on assumption that China have all these toys operational.

Can Defeat US

Side Score: 6
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Cannot Defeat US

Side Score: 4

Depends on how you define defeat. if defeat means conquering the USA, then no. if defeat means going to war with US allies in the region and being able to hold their own, then yes.China's military is built with a defensive focus, whereas the US military is built with an offensive focus. this is how China and the USA stack up(China's number first, USA second) : #1 LAND WAR available manpower 749,610,775 145,212,012 active military 2,285,000 1,430,000 reserve military 2,300,000 850,880 tanks 9,150 8,325 armored fighting vehicles 4,788 25,782 self propelled guns 1,710 1,934 towed artillery 6,246 1,791 MLRS 1,770 1,330 edge China #2 AIR WAR total aircraft 2,788 13,683 fighters/interceptors 1,170 2,271 attack/fixed wing aircraft 885 2,601 attack helicopters 122 914 edge USA. #3 NAVAL WAR total naval strength 520 473 carriers 1 10 frigates 45 15 destroyers 24 62 corvettes 9 0 subs 69 72 coastal defense ships 353 13 mine warfare 119 13 edge slight edge USA (because of carriers/although China's anti ship missiles can possibly destroy the carriers/US stealth aircraft may be able to destroy the anti ship missiles beforehand/China could counter the stealth aircraft with type 517 VHF search radar) #4 OIL oil production 4.075 million bbl/d 8.5 million bbl/d oil consumption 9.5 million bbl/d 19 million bbl/d oil reserve 25.58 billion bbl/d 20.68 billion bbl/d edge China China would have enough oil reserves to make them last in a prolonged war against the US, even if the United States was able to cut off China from its foreign oil. #6 LOGISTICS labor force 798,500,000 155,000,000 transport aircraft 762 5,222 merchant marine force 2,030 393 major ports/terminals 15 24 serviceable airports 507 13,513 edge even China has the far bigger workforce to be able to create anything China would need. The US has the capability to send as much firepower to the region as it would need. #7 FINANCIAL (assuming the world markets don't completely collapse as a result of this war) financial defense budget 126 billion 612.5 billion external debt 728.9 billion 15.93 trillion foreign exchange reserves 3.341 trillion 150.2 billion purchasing power parity 12.26 trillion 15.94 trillion edge even even though the US has a bigger economy and spends more on military, they owe far more debt and China is the main holder of that debt FINAL ANALYSIS THE USA WOULD WIN THE AIR WAR, HOWEVER S400 BATTERIES COULD CAUSE A LOT OF HAVOC FOR AMERICAN PILOTS IN THE MEANTIME. THE NAVAL BATTLE IS DEBATABLE, AS CHINA'S TECHNOLOGY IS CATCHING UP AND NOBODY REALLY KNOWS JUST HOW MANY SUBS THEY REALLY HAVE. ALTHOUGH THE USA CURRENTLY HOLDS THE EDGE IN TECH HERE. A LAND INVASION BY AMERICAN TROOPS COULD PROVE DISASTROUS, AS CHINA HAS FAR TOO MANY TROOPS AND RESERVES TO DEAL WITH. THE REAL QUESTION, THOUGH, WOULD BE COULD THE CHINESE LABOR FORCE PRODUCE ENOUGH TANKS, AIRCRAFT AND WEAPONS TO KEEP THE CHINESE IN THE GAME, AND COULD THE AMERICAN ECONOMY DO LIKEWISE? THE ECONOMIC FACTOR, I BELIEVE, WOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN THIS SCENARIO. ITS NOT, SO MUCH, HOW MANY TANKS, FIGHTERS AND NAVY VESSELS EACH SIDE STARTED WITH. ITS HOW MUCH EACH SIDE COULD PRODUCE DURING THE COURSE OF THE WAR. A PROLONGED WAR WOULD FAVOR CHINA, I BELIEVE, IN THIS REGARD.

Side: Can Defeat US
2 points

It's not about the size of the cock... it's about how well you use it. From the pornos I've seen the Chinese seem to be able to use it better. Well actually they're Japanese but same thing.

Side: Can Defeat US
2 points

While the US lacks the man power of China, we compensate in allies and we have a larger GDP pool to draw from, and with China's main importers being western nations, cutting off trade would hurt them more than it would hurt the US. China would suffer horrible inflation, like the Confederate army in the Civil War and would ultimately tank....

Unless of course they launch a nuke, then we are all dead, meaning Mutual Assured Destruction. But thats another story.

Side: Cannot Defeat US
1 point

Now that China has adopted that one-child policy, most families have boys. The next generation will be less than now, because while there is an abundance of boys, there are no girls to have kids with.

Side: Cannot Defeat US

Not now, China cannot defeat the United States, but circumstances could change sometime in the future.

Side: Cannot Defeat US