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Yes, We Should Love the World No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
Debate Score:91
Arguments:145
Total Votes:92
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Can You Support Black Lives Matter as a Christian?

The world is dead, He is a God of the Living.
He doesnt dwell in the morgue, He dwells with those made alive in Him.

He separated Light from Darkness, Abel from Cain, Noah from the World, Issac from Ishmael, Jacob from Esau, Joseph from his Brothers, Moses from Pharoah, Israel from all Nations, Saul from David, Jesus from Pharisees, His Kingdom from the Kingdom of the World, Disciples from the World, Image of God from Image of Beasts. Etc etc etc... You misunderstand if you think Gods love is like pancake syrup. His love will change you and carry you OUT of the dead world.

Jesus said 
Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Our sword is His word, is that the sword you are taking up, or some other spirit and weapons?
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Galatians  
7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. 
8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 
9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. 
10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

Please watch this it will help with understanding the spirit of deception upon the age. 

Yes, We Should Love the World

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No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab

Side Score: 55
1 point

Yes, why couldn't you? I see religion as something you don't need to 100% commit yourself to. You can follow its ways but you can always have your own ideology.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

The truth is, you can be many other religions and be in or in agreement with "Black Lives Matter."

But, you cannot be a Christian and even agree in your heart with it, Jesus commands us to be separate from the world and the ways of it.

Jesus commands us to be single minded in truth, and will spew out of His mouth those who hold dual citizenship.

The world is dead, He is a God of the Living.

He does NOT dwell in the morgue, He dwells with those made

alive in Him.

He separated Light from Darkness, Abel from Cain, Noah from the World, Issac from Ishmael, Jacob from Esau, Joseph from his Brothers, Moses from Pharoah, Israel from all Nations, Saul from David, Jesus from Pharisees, His Kingdom from the Kingdom of the World, Disciples from the World, Image of God from Image of Beasts. Etc etc etc...

You misunderstand if you think Gods love is like pancake syrup. His love will change you and carry you OUT of the dead world.

Jesus said

Matthew 10:34

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Our sword is His word, is that the sword you are taking up, or some other spirit and weapons?

To Christians, there has been gross dark deceptions over the last few years, shake awake, and follow His instructions. It sounds like you can avoid being thrown into the Great Tribulation, and I'm pretty sure if you are embracing immorality, greed, deception, violence and vengeance you will go through it, no matter what subjective truth says. But it does seem like it could be avoided.

So, if you don't want to take the hard road, you may want to evaluate if your focus and passions in this world are things of His Kingdom, or if they are things that He hates!

Revelation 2:22

Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.

Revelation 7:9

[ A Multitude from the Tribulation ] After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

Revelation 7:14

I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

https://youtu.be/XA6JcY-ikec

https://youtu.be/ydOOCJAigPc.

Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

You need to learn how to read. Jesus said to be single minded, not simple minded. ;)

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
2 points

But, you cannot be a Christian and even agree in your heart with it

I went to sunday school as a child, and there we were taught that Jesus enters the hearts of those who ask him to.

Do you oppose that belief?

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

why are you so obsessed with "supernatural signs" and prophecy, and why does so much of the stuff you focus on come from teachings outside of the Bible?

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
1 point

Yes. Why would that even be a question? Honestly, a Christian saying they can't support BLM because their religion won't allow it, sounds more like they simply don't want to and will use religion as an excuse.

If you don't want to support it because you don't particularly agree with them that's one thing but own it and don't make a stupid excuse. (I'm not saying that you in particular are doing it just "you" as a general person.) One can be a Christian and still support a cause they believe in, be it BLM, or Red Cross, or rights for women or whatever.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
2 points

Clearly you aren't a real Christian. Real Christians judge others and determine who is an isn't going to Hell, just like Jesus said not to do.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
1 point

Lol, sadly it seems that way on a lot of the debate sites but it's really not the case. Really most Christians have a good heart.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

I'm going to try to help you here, Mr. Cartman, even biting my tongue so I don't say it sounds like you are blowing your farts out the wrong end again.

This is to help you, ok? You obviously don't know what you are talking about and need some clarification so MAYBE you won't sound so stupid in the future. I have pointed this out to many on this site, and it seems to never end. When I see that by your own words you are not seeking God's mercy and by your own words have no intention of seeking His mercy, the only logical conclusion is that you will have His wrath, and the fact of the matter is that His wrath abides on you because you reject His Son who died for you. That is my observation, it is God's judgment against your sin. He took your sin on Himself when He died for you, He executed judgment against your sin on Himself and you virtually are spitting in His face. He is risen from the dead and you deny Him His right of owning your life.....so you get to keep yourself all to yourself without the goodness of God....and that means if you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you are bound legally to the fire of Hell.

That's an observation, I am not your judge, I'm just a person sitting here watching in the courtroom while you are held in contempt of court and condemned by your own choice of not seeking God's mercy through His Son who paid your price so you can be set free.

I doubt that helps you, but when the time comes you can try to explain to God why you would not believe and see if He buys your excuses.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Jesus spoke things to every generation, but He directed it in 7's for the final generation.

The completion of iniquity 6 x 60 (666.) 6 is for man.

Cain murders and God declared vengeance for him x 7.

Cain's 6th generation double murders and declares execution of vengeance for himself

7 x 70. God washes the earth from violence with baptism by great flood. 7' are infinite.

The end of the violence of man reached to Heaven, piled high as Heaven (Revelation 18: 4)

man murders by the degree of e, exponentially. In violence to the degree of mass graves.

And man declares himself gods to execute judgement as if God, declaring vengeance for himself 7 × 70 (777) 7 is infinite.

And even to execute vengeance beyond the fathers sins requiring retribution even beyond the 3rd and 4th generation. Pay her back double according to her own measure pressed down shaken together as they judge they are judge by that measure. They eat sour grapes with their children teeth set on edge...- Ezek 18.

The last Trump- et is about blow!

Trumps just a man, and every thing done is like God being Captain obvious. As the movement protest Gods final Trump demanding head seat and vengeance to generations of fathers, God builds a man to be a sign to them all!

In year (5)777 The year of Jubilee when slaves go free, and debts are cleared, Black Lives Matter movement raises fists up to God declaring themselves vengeance like God.

But vengeance is God's and you are just fools!

Pledge your allegiance to His Kingdom, one citizenship under His reign, dual citizenship He will spew out of His mouth, and they will be shaken out of it, in His Kingdom we each called by name, a mass grave with all the wicked of men, were one name fits them all, a fool.

Jesus freed you like the children of Israel, like the children of Israel, he called you to His Kingdom. There the greatest is leas. They did not honor Him as King and consecrate themselves in His Kingdom come ... Instead forgiven and freed as the Son sets free, they began to beat their fellow slaves ...

You cant be in Gods Kingdom and partake in darkness in the world.

We are light, separate from the darkness

Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
1 point

I watched the video with the (5)777 stuff and I like that guy so far as the first thing I watched him do was this presentation on the obvious reality of Hell and the lake of fire which is the second death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjVenEI58

In the presentation of Hell, the guy said something like maybe the sun is not the lake of fire in which death and Hell are thrown for the beginning of the unending second death where the smoke of their torments will rise forever, but wouldn't it be like God to put the truth right in the face of unbelievers?

The guy lost me in the 777 video. It's interesting, but I think he's trying to carry it too far. It comes too close to date setting for me. Practically every year, somebody comes up with something like this saying the rapture, Armageddon, or something equally big is going to happen within the year. Every year.......it's too much time focusing on the signs which will come. We don't need the signs to know the Lord is coming back, He could come back today.

I hope it's all right and the Lord calls His church out of this world next year, but He could come today and He could come ten years from today or even 1000 years. The 777 video seems to be trying to nail down the time to a 72 hr time frame...Jesus said at such an hour as you think not, He will come. When people come out with these predictions and things don't happen as predicted, it just makes a mockery of Christians and is not effective in spreading the gospel. Yes some can and do get saved through these kind of presentations and that is good.

The last time this stuff was big was with the blood moons. It was supposed to be the end of the age, WWIII, Armageddon, or whatever. Now this 777 video takes it a step farther....after nothing predicted around the blood moons came to pass. So here comes more expansions and explanations of the signs. It's like the Watchtower, every time their predictions fail they change or add to the story. We don't need predictions. There will be signs, yes. And signs can easily be misread.

Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Jesus spoke things to every generation, but He directed it in 7's for the final generation.

The completion of iniquity 6 x 60 (666.) 6 is for man.

Cain murders and God declared vengeance for him x 7.

Cain's 6th generation double murders and declares execution of vengeance for himself

7 x 70. God washes the earth from violence with baptism by great flood. 7' are infinite.

All that is simply your opinion and none of it has ever been condoned by any credible or educated Biblical scholar.

All that bible code shit was debunked a long time ago after that ridiculous book came out. Even I know that the number 666 is meaningless. And was originally a different number!! (616)..

So...are you gullible......delusionally arrogant...or just plain stupid?

You need to sit down with another (!) glass of wine and watch this...............................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czNDD2Gy7Q

SS

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
1 point

"God made humans in his image"

"God loves all his children"

Humans are humans, no matter what race nor faith. God loves all of his creations therefore why would he stop at you due to the colour of your skin?

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
1 point

"God made humans in his image"

"God loves all his children"

Humans are humans, no matter what race nor faith. God loves all of his creations therefore why would he stop at you due to the colour of your skin?

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

I am saying the church is not to be of the world. And I use the example saying:

Gods Kingdom is exclusive, not of this world. Call Him a "racist," the only "race" He lets survive are people in "His likeness and image."

The rest He opposes. He opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble.

So is God a racist? Yes! Only one race and people will inherit the earth.

The race of the meek, in His image, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness He will fill.

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1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.

12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.

If you think you are an obedient Christian, let His word challenge your thoughts...

Is God kidding? Is God for real? An "enemy" of God. No it couldn't say that! Could it?

James 4:4

You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Be careful what world views are in hour heart, a divided heart is in danger of being vomited out of His mouth. See Revelations (Laodecia)

Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
1 point

Jesus was born in the middle east therefore he would be "olive skin" (Middle Eastern) and not white, therefore why would black lives not matter?

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul.

12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.

Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
1 point

People who refuse to tolerate or love or help the great variety of human life that surround them are people who failed to learn the quintessential message that Christ had taught and demonstrated with his own life.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
1 point

I support All Lives Matter, but yes......................................................

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
1 point

Yes, the majority of BLM are Christians.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

People who embrace these movements will have problems when the Lord returns. The spitit of antichrist, with those leading the propaganda leading and herding to globalization and one world government. Dual citizenship will get people spit out of His mouth.

Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
Lopilulu(286) Disputed
1 point

Sometimes it helps if you read what you wrote before you press 'submit'.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World

No, whites were no put on earth to give anyone a chance, not even each other.

Life is a 'dog eat dog' rat race with the successful neither giving nor asking for any quarter.

If the black's cannot compete successfully in a multicultural society then they could apply for assisted passage back to Africa.

It's everyone for themselves, with all the ethnic groups competing with everyone including themselves.

Note the rivalry between the numerous black drug gangs.

Why should blacks be given priority treatment/consideration over, whites, Asians, Jews, or Eskimos?

Why do some people, especially blacks think that the white races owe them a living?

Whites have long since been removed from 'blame game' for the black's plight and it is time the we all recognised that the glaring truth.

For just one instance, in every country they infest blacks are a negative factor whereas Jews are always an asset to the societies which they have adopted as home.

IT UP TO THE BLACKS TO INGRATIATE THEMSELVES TO THE PEOPLES OF THE NATIONS WHERE THEY RESIDE AND TO BE ACCEPTED.

When have you heard the Chinese moaning about discrimination?

When have you heard of Chinese rioting and looting?

Violence and tribal instinct are all characteristics of the blackmans' psyche'.

Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab
KNHav(1957) Clarified
2 points

The question was focused on can they be Christians obedient to Jesus, if "Black Lived Matter" views, agendas, behavior, or even just in attitude in their hearts ?

The answer is all over His word!

1 cor 5

9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;

10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.

11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.

Does God's word lie?

Should we dismiss it for our views?

Wasnt God serious about being separate from the world?

Are they holding to a FORM of godliness, yet deny its power?

Isnt form looking churched, but inside being full of dead man's bones?

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
Winklepicker(1021) Clarified
1 point

Well, in simple terms I support the view that 'black lives matter', but no more, nor no less than the lives of non blacks.

Again, the term 'Black Lives matter' is another classic example of blacks asking for special consideration and a graphic illustration of their ,''oh poor us' mentality.

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
faith1969(4) Disputed
1 point

You're quoting Paul's words Instead of Yshua Ha Mashiach. Read Isaiah 61:8 God hates injustice. We can't substitute love for hatred Read Matt 22:37 love God and love thy Neighbor. That is the central aspect to all of christianity. We can't twist God's word to suit our views .Look at Isaiah 5:20 is this what our generation has become?

Side: Yes, We Should Love the World
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Thieves break in and steal and harm His beloved sheep.

As His children we fight for the sheep, to keep them in His ways, and fight for Him and His truth, and heal His sheep, and bring them to intob His Kingdom, separate from the world in loving devotion to their beloved King.

Imagine for a moment explaining Jesus in it as if He is in it. See if it sounds right. Can you use His name and His word in it?

That's a pretty good test I'd say. Because how can blessings and curses cant come out of the same vessel?

He is knocking on doors and His own called by His name have closed the door so as not to hear His call to His sheep. They are wicked shepherds that steal and hurt the sheep.

How do you explain it when He returns to evaluate our investment of talents. When He hears that slaves forgiven imprison other slaves that owe.

Does His word change? Does He change?

Is evil hearts and divided hearts justified?

If neither hot or cold, what does He do?

Does He warn 7 churches, how about that church living in the kingdom of Satan or the other in the synagogue of Satan?

Does He remove lamp stands, erase names, and vomit those who don't overcome the world?

Weakness of flesh, He covers and we are justified by Him. But a divided heart is not ever justified.

A divided heart is adultery and hatlotry. He will purge it as discipline and it will be painful. Destruction of flesh on the day of the Lord. As spoken by Paul ... Be "unstained by the world" these poor sheep are splattered and even soaked by stains of the world!

Its a very real thing, He will dismiss those stained with the wicked. And He will accept those who wash their robes. See multitude in Rev.

Rev 12

10 And he *said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

11 Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy.”

12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.

18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;

19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

John 10:3

To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

John 10:8

All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

John 10:16

I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

John 10:27

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

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Side: No Dual Citizenship Unacceptab