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this is stupid. he could just make a big rock( or a small one) and then weaken himself to not be able to lift it. And even if he cant lift, he can shift it with his mind or his omnipotence
well something that doesn't even exist and is imaginary in the first place cant even begin to try and create a rock, or anything else for that matter :)
Your question is illogical. It equivocates upon inability: omnipotence does not claim to be able to do the logically impossible as theologians have historically believed: such as making a married bachelor or a square circle. Because God is omnipotent then He cannot be anything other than omnipotent. Therefore, He cannot create a rock bigger than He can lift.
However, because we don't know whether He can or cannot do these things, then we cannot say He cannot, which means that He might be able to create a rock that is bigger than He can lift. Moreover, if this were possible it would mean that He could do the logically incoherent, meaning going against His omnipotence. This would then mean that He would be able to create a rock that is bigger than He can lift and be able to lift it. Which ever way you look at it the question advocates God's being.
The point is to show the impossibility of Omnipotence. If a being is omnipotent then it does not need anything, so it wouldn't create a universe to get results of experiments that he as a perfect being already knows.
That's right. He doesn't need anything from us because if He gives us everything and created everything and is sovereign then it would be impossible for Him to receive anything from us in the "absolute" sense (Plato's Republic, Socrates). However, He does as He pleases and that was to create the universe. But regardless, the question you asked originally does not deny the omnipotence of God.
Who said that creating the universe is a pointless activity? Who said that won't create some wonderful outcomes?
He does know the outcomes of every possible action; yet, He chose the action of creating this universe. The argument is from an infallible point of view: do you know if the creation of the universe is pointless? Are you infallible? Are you God yourself?
That is a non-sequitur. Simply because He knows what will happen in the future does not mean that He shouldn't create something and that there is no point to it. Even though I know the ending of a movie, why do I watch it over and over again? It gives me joy; and that is on a human level so we cannot even imagine what God has in store for Himself and for all that He has created!
A child getting raped is a horrible thing and because of this Christ weeps; however, He allows it to happen, while enduring with much patience, so that greater goods may come about: the destruction of evil in the judgement, the turning of the child to Christ, etc.
A child getting raped is a horrible thing and because of this Christ weeps; however, He allows it to happen, while enduring with much patience, so that greater goods may come about: the destruction of evil in the judgement, the turning of the child to Christ, etc.
What are these greater goods? There have been children tortured, raped and killed, and their parents have become depressed to the point of suicide.
The Bible never says that we have free will.
So, when the devil tricked Adam and Eve, God knew it would happen. So he created them in a way that made it inevitable for them to eat from the tree of forbidden knowledge, and then got angry, punished them for doing exactly what he created them to be? That's a dick move actually.
I already told you some of the greater goods: the judgement of evil in the judgement, and people being turned to Christ, etc. Read Genesis 50:20, Psalm 107, and Romans 9.
Yes, God knew it would happen; everyone has a purpose in this life and Adam's purpose was to bring sin into the world so that Christ may die to save it in order to display His love as Romans 9 says.
I already told you some of the greater goods: the judgement of evil in the judgement, and people being turned to Christ, etc. Read Genesis 50:20, Psalm 107, and Romans 9.
What the hell is judgement when people are stuck to fulfill pre-determined fates? People are being born to go to hell. This has got to stop. God is an evil abomination if he decides to make hell for people to go into, even though it is inevitable from birth that they will end up there.
Your ideology is flawed.
Yes, God knew it would happen; everyone has a purpose in this life and Adam's purpose was to bring sin into the world so that Christ may die to save it in order to display His love as Romans 9 says.
(Eve was the one who was decieved by the serpent.)
Why does Christ have to die? Why does sin have to go into the world for Christ to die after? Why would he get angry at Adam and Eve even though he created them for the purpose of them defying him.
Who controls God? No one. That means that from everything he created, everything goes his way, so he decides to make Adam and Eve suffer, despite making them that way. He created Adam and Eve to be that way, which is quite unfair. Usually Christians say that we are judged from what we do in our free will, but you say we don't have free will, so we will be unfairly judged by the timeline our God knows and has created for us.
You seem to be forgetting that pre-determined fate controls everything. Plans and motives within a human's heart included. From birth, to death, without free will, it is already set out and planned.
I'm still lost. I have no idea what you are trying to say. The Bible says that God has pre-planned everything and that everything is under His will, whether it be that He actually has it or that He allows it to happen. Regardless, the people who sin have still sinned, whether it was predestined or not, and they should be judged as Romans 9 says.
If there is no free will, why does the judgement between heaven and hell exist?
As I've said before, this means that if there are people born to go to hell, what's the meaning for them existing? Romans 9 doesn't mention that people must be judged even though their fate is predestined from birth. You added that on. Romans 9 only applies to humans and their free will.
Romans 9 denies free will. Thats why Paul says (off the top of my head), "'you will ask me then, why does He still find fault if no one can resist His will?' but who are you, o man, to answer back to God? Does the potter have no right over the clay?... One lump for honorable use and one for dishonorable use?"
The Bible must agree with free will, for the Bible itself contains Law and the accountability to obey the Law.
If we don't have free will, we shouldn't be judged for what our creator made us to be. So if your fate was set upon you before the time you were born that you were to be a serial killer; worthy of hell, how is it your fault, and to be judged from what God had planned, before and without your permission? In our human law, it has to be assumed that we have free will so we can be judged on our choices, so what gives God the responsibility to judge us on how he created us?
What is the meaning of our existence without free will? What is the meaning of a child doomed to be molested and killed from day of birth? This lump of dishonorable clay; what is it's purpose? Why does it exist; why should it exist. Does it exist to be used to make phallic objects? Why should God screw a group of humans over without their choice?
The Bible denies free will, yet we are still accountable for our actions: God created some people so that they may be destroyed and God's wrath may be displayed.
God is just.
The chief end of man is to glorify God and to live in love with Him.
What is the use of God's immoral Wrath, when he only uses it if people do things he doesn't like? Despite him making them act that way in the first place.
God's wrath is despicable and an abomination to the being of peace he is supposed to be. What makes it disgustingly worse is that he made people with set destinies fall into his trap.
How dare he make souls suffer an eternity of hell!
Of course, I don't believe in all this illogical shit, and I urge you to think of how logically flawed and disgusting it really is.
yet we are still accountable for our actions
No, we are not. Before we even existed, God made us this way. We are held not accountable whatsoever, for what someone else has decided for us to do.
You just ignored the rest of my argument. The potter is completely irrelevant to how immoral God is, how EVIL God is by doing what I have said in my previous argument which you should refute properly again.
What is the use of God's immoral Wrath, when he only uses it if people do things he doesn't like? Despite him making them act that way in the first place.
God's wrath is despicable and an abomination to the being of peace he is supposed to be. What makes it disgustingly worse is that he made people with set destinies fall into his trap.
How dare he make souls suffer an eternity of hell!
Of course, I don't believe in all this illogical shit, and I urge you to think of how logically flawed and disgusting it really is.
I have already shown you the verses saying that God has right over us and that He can do as He wishes with us, which is to display His divine characteristics. If there is no evil to destroy then He can't display His wrath and justice and He can't display His love and mercy through Christ. Therefore, He is still just and still merciful and still loving and still sovereign.
Anything past these verses I can't help you because it comes down to faith.
Where does morality come into this? When you say 'God' has a right over us, you seem to forget that he has to also be constantly moral. If God should create a soul that is deemed to be thrown into the hell he created, why did he make that soul?
Christians wanna say that it was the soul's fault, but it isn't if God made the soul from scratch, and is responsible for how it works and behaves. He could see it in the future himself, before he even made it.
We humans understand that if we were made to do something we couldn't stop, such as self-defense, we would have less of a consequence in the Law.
If you made a robot, and could see its future from how you would make it, would you actually blame it for killing someone, even though you saw that it would do it in the future, and programmed it that way nonetheless?
I have already told you that He creates some so that God may inflict His wrath upon them.
If I saw the future and allowed it to do something evil, which is under my control and my will, then it would still have been guilty of the thing that it did.
I have already told you that He creates some so that God may inflict His wrath upon them.
What is the need of this evil wrath?
W T F??????
Do you understand what eternal suffering means?
If I saw the future and allowed it to do something evil, which is under my control and my will, then it would still have been guilty of the thing that it did.
But YOU made it.
It was a robot, made to carry that action, so the thing that did it isn't the guilty one.
It's not that hard to understand.
How amazingly stupid of you to say that the creator isn't guilty at all.
Without the creator, it would not happen. Think about that! O:
I understand it perfectly, which is why mercy and forgiveness can be displayed.
Again, do you know what eternal suffering is? What if God chose you to be one of those souls? What is the worth for him displaying wrath when there is no one around from Earth to experience your torment in hell except for the other tormented souls.
How would you feel about God if he made your future end up in hell from how he created you? What would you think of him while your skin sears off in the heat of the fires? For eternity.
You'd soon ask yourself why he made your soul in the first place. To 'show his wrath' is not the answer since he is supposed to love everyone. And to whom does he have to show his wrath to? And why do they need to see his wrath? The action of taking a soul to hell is invisible to mortal humans.
It is still guilty if it did the thing that was evil.
No, it is not.
I've already told you!
Just admit that it is in the least partially the fault of the creator for the thing to exist and carry out it's purpose. I tell you why? Because if the creator didn't create it, the thing he would of made would not of existed, and would not of been able to carry out its purpose that the creator made for it because the creator did not make it. Do you get it now?
If God chose me to be one of His eternally damned, then I would be sad. However, I would realize that it was to display His glory and His wrath. I've thought about as if Jesus wasn't God and some other god was the real God (that I am wrong about Christ being Lord). I have thought that if I died and went to judgement I would realize that I had fulfilled my purpose: to go against God so that He can punish me. Quite frankly, I'd rather not choose because if we all chose for ourselves then no one would be saved because evil is the more appealing and people only do justice because they are incapable of doing injustice successfully (Plato's Republic). It is so much better to not have a choice (which serves to glorify man, which means there is no grace), which would get no one to heaven, and for God to be glorified in everything we do. God loves everyone to an extent, which is that He wants to preserve His creation, including animals and the earth (to an extent a "physical" love; which is why we are told to love even our enemies). However, His spiritual love is only for His elect, which are Christians; everyone else, He hates on the spiritual level (which is why it is written "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated").
Simply because you've told me one thing does not make it true. God is not guilty of anything. He does as He pleases and He has mercy on whom He has mercy and He hardens whom He hardens: even the wicked have been made for the day of judgement.
If God chose me to be one of His eternally damned, then I would be sad. However, I would realize that it was to display His glory and His wrath.
To 'show his wrath' is not the answer since he is supposed to love everyone. And to whom does he have to show his wrath to? And why do they need to see his wrath? The action of taking a soul to hell is invisible to mortal humans.
I've thought about as if Jesus wasn't God and some other god was the real God (that I am wrong about Christ being Lord). I have thought that if I died and went to judgement I would realize that I had fulfilled my purpose: to go against God so that He can punish me.
But he would see that you would go against him in the future, so why did he make people for the soul purpose (pun intended) of defying him? That is just lunacy and sadism from the punishment he would carry out afterwards.
Quite frankly, I'd rather not choose because if we all chose for ourselves then no one would be saved because evil is the more appealing and people only do justice because they are incapable of doing injustice successfully (Plato's Republic).
You still need to understand that God governs what we do, from how he created us. That means if we were to become evil, it is because in God's will, and how he made our pre-determined fate make us come to that.
It is so much better to not have a choice (which serves to glorify man, which means there is no grace), which would get no one to heaven, and for God to be glorified in everything we do.
What's the reason for judgement when we don't have any choices in life since God controls 100% what we do?
We have no meaning if God is the one who pulls on our strings, and not us.
God loves everyone to an extent, which is that He wants to preserve His creation, including animals and the earth (to an extent a "physical" love; which is why we are told to love even our enemies). However, His spiritual love is only for His elect, which are Christians; everyone else, He hates on the spiritual level (which is why it is written "Jacob I loved but Esau I hated").
So you're saying that God actually is a biased asshole pig? If we don't have free will, and God governs everything we do, why did he make non-christians? There is a large majority of non-christians. People from isolated countries such as the eskimos or islanders have no idea of Christianity; because the delusion hasn't reached them. They have no idea about God and sin, as much as they have no idea about Islam, Judaism because Christianity is just another religion that is no more correct than the others. You are not told to love your enemies for their skin, blood and bones, you are told to love them legitimately. Everything God has said about loving everyone is a lie in your book to swerve and avoid being wrong, but in doing this, makes you more wrong. All this time, God wasn't an actual being of loving and forgiveness; he actually holds an immature hate to those that he made non-christian, which is so pitiful to those who actually spiritually love their enemies.
Simply because you've told me one thing does not make it true. God is not guilty of anything. He does as He pleases and He has mercy on whom He has mercy and He hardens whom He hardens: even the wicked have been made for the day of judgement.
Don't justify your denial by labeling my logic "one thing that does not make it true". Accept that you can be wrong. I have presented nothing but logic and common reasoning. What you have just stated actually applies more to you, since you have provided a subjective view of Christianity which deviates from what Christianity is commonly seen as.
To 'show his wrath' is not the answer since he is supposed to love everyone. And to whom does he have to show his wrath to? And why do they need to see his wrath? The action of taking a soul to hell is invisible to mortal humans.
God does everything for the good of those who love Him and to glorify Himself.
But he would see that you would go against him in the future, so why did he make people for the soul purpose (pun intended) of defying him? That is just lunacy and sadism from the punishment he would carry out afterwards.
Well if I went against Him in the future then I would weep and gnash my teeth.
You still need to understand that God governs what we do, from how he created us. That means if we were to become evil, it is because in God's will, and how he made our pre-determined fate make us come to that.
If God created us with free will no one would choose Him. I don't believe that we have free will, which corresponds with a belief in people believing in Him.
What's the reason for judgement when we don't have any choices in life since God controls 100% what we do? / We have no meaning if God is the one who pulls on our strings, and not us.
He allows things to happen, like a police sting, which is under His will. We are still guilty of doing things though, even if God allowed it to happen. We do have meaning: to glorify God and to live in His love or to die eternally so that God's wrath may be displayed to bring glory to God and to allow mercy to be shown.
So you're saying that God actually is a biased asshole pig? If we don't have free will, and God governs everything we do, why did he make non-christians? There is a large majority of non-christians. People from isolated countries such as the eskimos or islanders have no idea of Christianity; because the delusion hasn't reached them. They have no idea about God and sin, as much as they have no idea about Islam, Judaism because Christianity is just another religion that is no more correct than the others. You are not told to love your enemies for their skin, blood and bones, you are told to love them legitimately. Everything God has said about loving everyone is a lie in your book to swerve and avoid being wrong, but in doing this, makes you more wrong. All this time, God wasn't an actual being of loving and forgiveness; he actually holds an immature hate to those that he made non-christian, which is so pitiful to those who actually spiritually love their enemies.
We are to love our enemies on the physical and personal level, which is to try and preserve them and to try and evangelize them. Yet, God's ways are above our ways and He loves evil people in one sense, because Christ wishes for all to be saved and God does not find joy in punishing evil and He is patient with the evil in this world and He gives His creation the things that they have; however, one the spiritual and saving level He hates non-believers and hates their sin. He did this so that His elect may be shown mercy and great love and grace and forgiveness.
Don't justify your denial by labeling my logic "one thing that does not make it true". Accept that you can be wrong. I have presented nothing but logic and common reasoning. What you have just stated actually applies more to you, since you have provided a subjective view of Christianity which deviates from what Christianity is commonly seen as.
I could be wrong but I don't believe I'm wrong. The same applies to you: simply because you say something and believe something does not make you right. I could be wrong about seeing this computer: I could simply be dreaming right now, which a large proportion of the world believes. I can't know anything with any degree of certainty, which is why everyone has faith in whatever they believe. And how is what I have presented subjective?
God does everything for the good of those who love Him
Do you consider making people suffer for an eternity something good?
and to glorify Himself.
Pride over other people's suffering. Pathetic.
Well if I went against Him in the future then I would weep and gnash my teeth.
You dare weep and gnash your teeth at the lord?!
If God created us with free will no one would choose Him. I don't believe that we have free will, which corresponds with a belief in people believing in Him.
Then how come there are billions of people who don't choose him?
He allows things to happen, like a police sting, which is under His will.
But he made the things to happen.
We are still guilty of doing things though, even if God allowed it to happen.
Again, you refute without justification. Most of the blame falls upon the creator who made us, from his own mind.
How much times do I have to say this? I'll make a whole debate for the people of this website to verify that I am correct; the creator bears the blame, if not, part of the blame from what his enslaved creation does.
We do have meaning: to glorify God and to live in His love or to die eternally so that God's wrath may be displayed to bring glory to God and to allow mercy to be shown.
But we are slaves. You say we don't have free will; then what is the use of heaven when we don't even have free will up there? So God controls how we should be happy in heaven also?
Without freewill, we are slaves by definition.
We are to love our enemies on the physical and personal level, which is to try and preserve them and to try and evangelize them.
The personal level is basically the spiritual level. It is the part that governs whether we are a believer or not. I don't understand why the hell you are a Christian that doesn't believe in freewill, even though there are non-believers out there. Don't you think they chose not to believe in their own free will?
Yet, God's ways are above our ways and He loves evil people in one sense,
In one sense? Hell no, who the hell would want to follow a biased asshole like that? If humans can learn how to except others and their different beliefs, why does God have to be the immature swine that can't let go of his biasism. Who cares if there are people out there who don't believe in him; they chose not to believe in their own free will. He doesn't have to be mad and judge people about it.
Seriously, your God is just... wrong.
because Christ wishes for all to be saved and God does not find joy in punishing evil and He is patient with the evil in this world and He gives His creation the things that they have; however, one the spiritual and saving level He hates non-believers and hates their sin. He did this so that His elect may be shown mercy and great love and grace and forgiveness.
We would all be saved, but we have free will which means that people would choose not to follow God.
Oh wait, you don't believe in free will, therefore you are illogical. People can't choose to not believe in God without freewill, because without freewill, God would be the one controlling his creations, so why the hell would he control people to not believe in him?
Think about it.
I guess he made the evil in this world.
I could be wrong but I don't believe I'm wrong. The same applies to you: simply because you say something and believe something does not make you right.
But I am speaking with logic. Read what I am trying to say and understand that your refutations do not defy that logic.
I could be wrong about seeing this computer: I could simply be dreaming right now, which a large proportion of the world believes. I can't know anything with any degree of certainty, which is why everyone has faith in whatever they believe. And how is what I have presented subjective?
Because you believe we don't have free will, even though that is what basically every other Christian believes. And it is an illogical belief, because people can only choose not to believe in God if they have free will.
I have had enough debating with you, I have summarized my logic, and I hope you consider each word.
My argument is consistent with the logic of the debate as there is no clear indication that god is presumed to be real of capable of creation. It merely presents the question, very openly, without much assumption.
"Can god create" is an essential part of this question, no? If god is not real, he cannot create. If he cannot create, he cannot create something so heavy he would be unable to lift it.
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.
2 As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
3 They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
4 Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.
6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
9 That is why it was called Babel —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"
"He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble. (From the NIV Bible, Job 9:6)"
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:4)"
"that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)"
"He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth. (From the NIV Bible, Job 37:3)"
"for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens. (From the NIV Bible, Job 28:24)"
"Their measure is longer than the earth and wider than the sea. (From the NIV Bible, Job 11:9)"
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 40:22)"
Genesis 11:1-9 says nothing of the world being flat
Isaiah 11:12 Four corners refers to the cardinal directions
Revelation 7:1 same
Jeremiah 16:19 ends of the earth refers to far away locations
Daniel 4:11 the tree refers to Christ and the ends of the earth is simply the far reaches of the earth (places far away from Israel)
Matthew 4:8 is supernatural; it could also refer to a limited amount of kingdoms, meaning that "all" is an emphasis word, which can be seen in Luke 2:2
Psalm 104:5 this means that it is long-lasting
Psalm 93:1 same
Psalm 96:10 same
Ecclesiastes 1:5 we still say this today; we know that the earth rotates
Job 9:6 poetic reference and a metaphor
Job 38:4 foundations can refer to any number of things
Job 38:13 poetic expression
Job 11:9 poetic expression still
Job 37:3 same as other "ends of the world" verses
Job 28:24 same
Isaiah 40:22 this has nothing to do with the earth being flat
Most of the books of the Bible that you have chosen are famously known for their prophetic and metaphoric expression.
That is true, but that word did not come about for many years after, which means that any spherical object could be a circle. I still think that Isaiah is using it as a metaphor.
We have already talked about this one: etymology would be meaningless if your argument held true. Classifications of things change also: meaning that in 2000 years we will classify things in different categories as they are now.
The Bible does not say that there is a solid rook over the world.
The Bible does not say that the moon emits its own light.
The moon reflects the light from the sun. Therefore, it can be considered a light. This can be seen in parallel to Christ: people are considered the light of the world, yet they are not the thing giving off light because Christ is that light. People reflect the light of Christ.
The firmament is a bad translation. In other translations it says "expanse," which is space in the first verse you gave. The second verse is referring to an expanse in between the earth and a canopy of water. This water is what flooded the earth, and blocked UV light, which causes aging.
If you look at it scientifically, there is no hard evidence to support any of it because it is based around the assumption of uniformitarianism, which has yet to be proven.
It doesn't give me joy because of memory issues; it gives me joy because I enjoy the movie. God does have a perfect memory but also a perfect will and perfect plan. Regardless of how you look at it you cannot put yourself in God;s shoes. For you to claim you know better than God is to be a god yourself.
He could have created a universe before us and He could create a universe after us. However, whatever He does will bring glory to Himself and to those who love Him! Praise be to God!
yeah basically, god always finds a way to cheat the system to 'lift the unliftable rock', but the one thing he cannot do is defy himself, so given the gift of free will, we can be the thing that is unalterable.
im sure he can see every simple possibility before it happens. its like an aritficial intelligence that gives you possible outcomes for actions, he only does it with 100 percent accuracy
How would it contradict His omnipotent? God is powerful because He is a infinite person and someone with infinite power and the rock would keep growing because it wouldn't get heavy so it doesn't contradict his omnipotent's
Well if your really think about it God let the rock grow in the palm of His hand and continue to let it grow and it wouldn't get heavy just like us humans we lift pretty heavy things and get tired but God doesn't get tired but He is infinite and we as humans are finite and not that powerful.
What if he didn't make a growing rock; but a super dense rock. But the whole statement is avoiding half the question- "can he make a rock that is so heavy that he couldn't lift it." That rock could be made of the heaviest material in the world, and can be made ultra dense so it doesn't have to be a growing rock.
What you're basically saying is that he can't make a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it, which means that he is unable to create such a thing, which means he bears an incapability in creation, contradicting the "omnisence" of omnipotency.
It would contradict his omnipotence because he is not able to create a rock so big he cannot lift it, just like you cannot create a worthwhile defense against this.
God cannot create a rock so heavy that cannot lift it. It is not because he is a weak creator but he creates things by basing it through the object`s true nature. For an example, God cannot create a 4 sided triangle since that already violates the nature of the triangle as a whole. In this debate`s case, God is omnipotent and cannot destroy the nature of God and his omnipotence by creating something he cannot lift. It is simple since God acts upon the nature of the object.
Nope. But this question isn't the stumper 15-year-olds tend to think it is; it's just equivocation. Omnipotence is the ability to do all things that are possible. Saying Jesus isn't God because he couldn't microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it is like saying science isn't useful because it can't determine whether there is or isn't a God. It's moving the goal posts. Omnipotence would be incoherent as an idea if it included the ability to commit logical contradictions.
Sure, if you classify the whole of philosophy "broze-age bullshit." But it's also what informs your ill-conceived and fallacious objections against classical theology, so I'd be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.