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Dumb.....you do not understand judgement? You don't know the difference from right and wrong? You are judging me trying to prove that I am ungodly, it's falling back on you. You are judged by the truth, if I tell you the truth and you feel judged by it I suggest you seek God's mercy because He is your judge and you will give account to Him for everything you have ever said, done, or thought in every moment of your time. Every time I told you the gospel of God and you cursed me and insulted God by saying He is not there, you will account for and your words and actions will be held against you if they are not covered by God's own blood which He shed for you on the cross. The one who conquered death will not let you out of death if you will not believe He is risen from the dead and ask God in Jesus name to forgive you of your sins and save you from Hell.
I really do feel sorry for you, I really do think you are going to suddenly find yourself stuck in the fire of Hell with no way out but I know the gospel of God and I know you can be saved and I can't help but tell you of it........on Judgement day I am glad I wont be in your shoes. I hope you get a new pair of shoes fit for heaven but I think you will not...willfully refusing your own salvation.
I understand judgement quiet well and I understand right and wrong , like all humans I'm far from perfect but so far I've lived a good life and treated my fellow humans as I would wish to be treated .
From day one on this site you've told anyone who attempted reasonable discussion with you that they would burn in hell fire for eternity which makes you judge and jury and arrogant for assuming to know the will of your god .
You cry floods when the more controversial parts of the bible are used in argument against you , then you cry again if the words of Jesus are used to demonstrate your hypocrisy in judging others .
You're not a Christian as in you do not attempt to even follow the teachings you claim others ignore , tell me why do you totally ignore what's said about judging others ?
The Bible calls hypocrisy a sin. There are two forms hypocrisy can take: that of professing belief in something and then acting in a manner contrary to that belief, and that of looking down on others when we ourselves are flawed ; that makes you a hypocrite doesn't it or are you a'special ' case ?
Judging Others
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
You're a hypocrite and that's not me judging you it's judgment by your own God .
You're not a Christian by any stretch and if so how do you justify your continued hypocrisy ?
How does an atheist become judge of what a Christian is? Now you are a Christian qualified to judge who is good enough to be a Christian?
News flash, Dermit...nobody is good enough to be a Christian, not your wife, not me, nor the Pope. The only way to be a Christian, according to the Bible, is to be born of the Spirit of God, something that happens when a person realizes they deserve to burn in Hell, they believe Jesus is God who died for them and rose from the dead to forgive all who ask God the Father in the name of Jesus, God the Son, to forgive their sins based on the fact Jesus died for their sins, and the sinner in faith and repentance receives Jesus Christ as their Savior and He comes into their heart, giving them a new heart, making them a new creation, a child of God.
To a Catholic this would be called the sin of presumption, in Catholicism a mortal sin....because the true believer is set free from the dogma and never ending futility of trying to earn the right to exist outside of Hell, trying to earn the right to enter Heaven, something that cannot be earned and can only be had as a gift from God which He offers you now...but you think you are too stinking good for God, too stinking good to need to admit you are a sinner who deserves to die.....
Bad news, Dermot...you are no better than your wife, she is no better than you, you both are trying to prove you have the right to exist outside of Hell and no sinner has that right, it is a gift from God and I have it forever while you are losing it and your wife in futility is trying to earn it and you both are failing in death.
The good news is that God died for you, for your sins, as the Son of God and conquered death so you can be forgiven and saved by Him who is alive forever more; having conquered death.
If you think being a Christian means being nice to foul mouth hateful bastards (the term is not a profanity, it describes a man who is without the chastisement of a father) who get mad at the truth, well, you won't find any Christians in Hell, will you?
"Ye shall know them by their deeds " your deeds reveal the man as in a hate filled bigot ; you're opinions on Christianity are typical of the more looney versions of Christianity that the US has in abundance .
Incidentally Catholics always say there is the only one true church and they're pretty charitable in these times as in if you throw yourself at their mercy and repent they may let you join the one true church .
Speaks volumes about you that you admit to chastising your children by calling them hateful bastards ; you obviously never read the bible as there's 12 different verses that point out what befalls judgemental hypocrites like you
Listen, Dermot, it's not me who is ignoring the teaching on judging, it is you who is misunderstanding. It's obvious that you do not understand because you fail to see how the same Jesus who stood in front of crowds and named the sins of individuals and called them names according to there sins also said "judge not.....".
I am not judging you, it is not my place to judge you. You publicly display hatred for God and I publicly tell you that you are of your father the devil and on your way to Hell. It is your own words which judge you, and when you justify yourself in acting like a foul mouth jack ass bastard (just because you don't like the Biblical gospel message and the manly character of Jesus Christ who died for your sins), there is nothing wrong with me telling you what a jack ass you are, a stubborn and profane fool. If you show a change of heart and start listening instead of spewing your hateful poison in my face every time I look at your posts, I'll stop calling you a jack ass and you can quit saying I am ignoring the teachings of Christ (which you misunderstand and misapply) regarding judging.
Being a Christian does not mean you are trying to earn God's forgiveness, trying to earn the right to enter Heaven, or trying to earn God's favor. Being a Christian is knowing your sins are forgiven (past, present, and future) and knowing Heaven is your home and you are going there and will be there with the Lord the moment your time in this mortal body is over. Catholics are not Christians, there is no hope in the Pope. Most Catholics are very nice and well mannered people, good citizens and they make good neighbors.....but they are trying to earn the right to exist outside of Hell and it is not possible to earn that right and they are on their way to Hell.
No misunderstanding on my part you're a hypocrite you say you're not judging me and then you judge and condemn me and others , now you can try re-interpret the word to suit your case but you're a hypocrite and now you add lying to your resume .......
Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”…
Now you can put any spin on that you wish but the words are plain even to an idiot so I guess you're a step beyond idiocy , you're no Christian you're a lying hypocrite
You say the Bible is a book of lies (because it says Jesus conquered death and will be your Judge if not your Savior, and you will be damned in the fire of Hell if you won't seek His mercy before your dying is finalized and time is not counted down for you any more), yet you refer to portions of the Bible as truthful and you try to prove yourself as good as me (which I am not arguing, I deserve to burn in Hell the same as you, you are certainly as good as me which is no good at all). You are the hypocrite, quoting a book you insist is lies trying to use what you say is a book of lies against me, as if it suddenly is true for you as long as you can find things which you feel apply to faults of mine. What a hypocrite you are, either believe the Bible or don't believe the Bible. If it is as you say, a book of lies, then you are a liar for using it to support your position and your argument is void because you base it on what you say is a book of lies.
I don't recall you ever being reasonable with me.....maybe for a minute or two once or twice. Usually you can't finish one sentence without becoming abusively profane, vile in speech, and animalistic in manners.
Atheists are not reasonable. All they want to talk about is how Zeus, Thor, Vishnu, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster cannot be God because they are things which are not God. Atheism is stupid, it is unreasonable, and without insulting it has nothing to say. Atheism is nothing but an insult, anybody who clings to atheism cannot be reasonable. The sad state of modern times is that ungodly voices are the loudest and influence the most power in the world so the world is quickly moving toward WWIII and/or The Battle of Armageddon and the final judgement in which most people will find themselves forever cast away into the ake of ire which is the second death.
Every one of your twists and claims of "controversial parts of the Bible" is logically and reasonably answered. People like you will not listen, will not be reasonable. You seem to think that unless I change my message and say you have the right to exist outside of Hell, I am being unreasonable. If I said sinners have the right to exist outside of Hell while dying in time is proving they have no right, then I would be a liar like you who claims to have that right.
As for your lesson on hypocrisy, you need to eat it yourself. The most hateful person here is going go lecture me about how to be a Christian? Grow up dermot......I have been consistent in my message and behavior, the same as you have been consistent. Maybe you are getting your feelings hurt a little due to facing the truth, and that would be a good thing as you must be vulnerable to God's judgement before you can know His mercy.
Incorrect again you never address anyone in a polite manner you judge and condemn all , you posted up one of your hate filled topics as in accusing atheists of being sodomites , the rest of your rant is the usual nonsense so ' Christian ' hypocrite let me remind you what the good book say about hypocrites such as you .....
36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”…
I address plenty of people in a polite manner when they are polite with me. Though you, like Grenade, have been above the rest in vile speech and hatefulness toward me; the rest who talk like you have been profane, bullying, and vile enough that it is right for me to put it back in their face. The difference is that I tell the truth about reality and need no profanity to to it. The truth is much more powerful than the profane, it always wins. People like you can't handle it and resort to abusive, profane, vile and vulgar bullying tactics and then you declare victory when in reality you are only being jack asses who will not listen to reason and making fools of yourselves. I try to get you to hear the truth because it is to your benefit if you will believe the truth, concede your unrighteousness, and seek God's mercy.
An atheist quoting the Bible is no better than the devil who quoted the Bible to Jesus trying to get Jesus to fall to temptation. What a hypocrite you are, using a book you say is invalid regarding truth trying to back yourself up. Go look in a mirror, hypocrite. If you are going to quote the Bible as if you think it is authoritative, you better start believing it. It says you are a sinner who deserves to die and you are in danger of the fire of Hell and God is giving you time to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. Quit being a hypocrite, either stop using the Bible as a reference to support your arrogance, or start believing it and repent of all your sin and seek God's mercy to be saved from Hell through the blood of the One who conquered death and is willing to forgive you and able to save you from Hell if you will receive Him in reality as He is, the Living God, the only Savior, the Creator.
I can't help it if you think I am impolite when I say you are a sinner who deserves to die and burn in Hell the same as me; and only God the Savior Jesus Christ can save you from it as He has saved me.
I suppose the religious leaders who had Jesus crucified thought he was much too impolite for them to tolerate Him kicking up dust on the face of the Earth. I follow Him, I am crucified with Him and He accomplished my death and I know He has taken me through it and I am His. I know God loves me, I know God loves you, I know I am saved and I know you can be saved but sadly I think you will not be saved. If you will, go to God honestly and He will hear you and Jesus will save you. I want you to be saved and go to Heaven, I don't want anybody to go to Hell and I fight with fools because I know I deserve the punishment they are under and I know the love of God who forgave me and will forgive them and save them....I have no pleasure in watching fools dying. You are dying, Dermot, and I don't like watching it because I know it's forever in Hell if you don't get saved.
I spoke the truth. I do believe there are very few Catholics who are actually saved yet confused and remaining in the Catholic church. I think it is safe to say more than ninety five percent of them are nice people, good neighbors, law abiding citizens and on their way to Hell.
I do appreciate that you are trying to be better mannered as you argue with me. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. If you think it is not possible for you to end up in Hell, then nothing I say should bother you. Your problem is that you are trying to justify yourself and I am logically showing that it is not possible and that makes you mad. Don't get mad, try to be reasonable, and there is a possibility that you will see Jesus is God the Savior who can and will give you eternal life if you will enter into reason with Him.
If you feel like I'm messing with your mind, it's not me, Dermot, it's God calling you trying to get you to reason with Him. I serve Him. You can't defeat Him by beating up on me.
all religions are man-made. God is true, and only what He does for us can save us from the penalty of our sins which is eternal dying which will be confined in Hell forever. Religion is what a person does to try to convince themselves that they are not condemned. Atheism is a religion, most atheists are Naturalists which means they ascribe supernatural powers to matter so that it causes life, making the universe to be their god and then denying "god-belief", they make their own minds to be their gods and they worship nothing and say it keeps them out of Hell. They do all they can to convince themselves that they have the right to exist outside of the fire of Hell.
If something is your belief then you can't assert it like fact like you just did. I said it is logical that MANY religions are man made not all. Read the argument correctly.
You said ....that's just your belief you have no evidence to support it
That's after you stated that's it's logical to say they're man made I read the argument correctly , you do not even know what you're saying now as you're contradicting yourself .
Not all religions are man made ? Why who made the others ?
There is just one concept of God which is the true one. Which one I do not know. And all religions being man made is not a fact. Like I said, you have no evidence to support it.
You said it right, sort of I guess, that God is completely moral (a vast understatement, but passable for truth). I guess it is also correct that God has no reason to lie. The only thing you missed is that God cannot lie. Whoever created this discussion is talking about a thing which is a god and is not God....many here really hate God and Christians. They seem to be okay with Muslims and homosexuals and all kinds of dirty perverted speech and behavior, but they really hate Christians and God and the Bible.
You've never read your bible god does indeed lie as does Jesus according to the ' good book ' .
I do not hate what I don't believe in what I dislike is so called believers like you who ram their religious bullshit down everyone's throat , also I do indeed like Christians ( most my family are such )
but they do not like you go about bleating ad nauseum about their religion .
Religion where I'm from rarely comes up in conversation no more than atheism does most keep it to themselves. , you Americans are pretty vocal about it whys that ?
If your wife were a follower of Jesus Christ and not a pagan idolator Catholic worshiping idols like Mary, saints, and the Pope, your wife would tell you to your face that you are on your way to Hell. She does not know for sure that her sins are forgiven and she cannot know if she is going to Heaven because she is a Catholic trying to earn forgiveness as a slave of the Pope who is using her like a puppet without backbone to know and stand on the truth and tell you that you are on your way to Hell. That's how it is, Dermit....you and your wife are both lost, she is lost in her religion and you are lost in yours, you are both on your way to Hell, both trusting in your own good deeds to keep you out of Hell and it can't keep you out of Hell any more than it can keep you out of death.
You should repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get saved, then work on your wife to get her saved if you care about her....seems like all you care about is using her as a mockery for your bad attitude....and you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell...really?
You ram your filth in my face....you're a bully and I've seen a lot of big mouths like you fall and you are falling.....jerk.
I'm doing nothing but speaking the truth and you hate me for it. From day one you were like Grenade, nothing but a jack ass from the first time I saw you..harassing me, throwing as much of your filthy garbage in my face as you possibly could, one of the dirtiest bastards I have seen here and if you don't like me saying so, your problem is with God and you wonder why I so easily ignore you?
I really do feel sorry for you, but there is no need for me to put up with your abuse.
I never hated anyone , you're just a big scared child who has perpetual struggles with his beliefs so has to project all his insecurities onto a debate site where you dispense judgement on everyone ........
You've been a big mouth jack ass with me from day one. I don't care for your message so I don't read it, what is your problem? Can't you quit reading mine?
You are one of the most hateful people here....you have a great big chip on your shoulder against God, against the Bible, and against real Christians who like Jesus are not afraid to be persecuted and crucified for telling the truth.
You know nothing of the Bible if you don't know that you are a sinner who deserves to burn in Hell forever and you don't know that Jesus Christ is God who died for the sins of mankind to save them from Hell, and that He is alive and will judge the living and the dead.
It is you who cannot handle the word of God, that's why you blow your top when you see a real Christian bringing it's message.
I'm an authority on the book you've never read the Jesuits thought me theology chapter and verse indeed for your information they are the intellectual side of the Catholic Church and would rip your arguments asdunder in seconds ; you're not a real Christian as you ignore the following consistently ......
36Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. 37Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.”…
You're a cracked pot, not listening, you are losing your battle against God, you lost before you decided to do it. You're on your way to Hell, and your wife is probably going to be there in eternal damnation the same as you as she is most likely trying to justify herself the same as you are trying to justify yourself.
I know I deserve to burn in Hell for my sins and cannot justify myself. Why can't you say that? And you call me the hypocrite? You are a proud boastful liar, a child of Hell fighting a loser's battle against your Creator.
Look how rude you are to me. I have read the Bible cover to cover four times if I remember correctly, and for 2017 my goal is to read it twice cover to cover. I did a full college semester of history of the King James Bible, and I did slightly short of two years of Christian college where a course on Catholicism's history and doctrine was half of one half credit class. I listen to Bible teaching and preaching many times each month from men who hold earned doctoral degrees and are highly accomplished and recognized in the church, and I do random readings however I feel led or inspired in daily events....I often read my favorite books in their entirety separate from my daily cover to cover readings, those books are Ecclesiastes and the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and the gospel according to John......and the books of Peter and James.....and Jude.....
I heard and learned to answer all of the twisted insinuations of people like you who try to twist the Bible and prove God is not good long before you came along. I know all of your arguments, I have listened, and I know the answers to them and you don't listen....you shut the truth out because it challenges your pride and you are afraid God will see the evil of your heart and you know when He does you will be cast away from Him and you can't handle that thought.
I have forgotten more of the Bible than you have ever known of it.
Never read the Jesuits thought me theology? They are the intellectual side of the Catholic Church? Seriously, you believe that? They are the KJB of the Jesuit church, thugs is all they are.
You need to get some education about Catholics and Jesuits so maybe you can come out of their brainwashing.
jealousy will get you nowhere . You post a link to an end of times retards site who's also looking for donations for his cult on his home page , grow up and act your age .
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged; and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
know that God permits those lying prophets to deceive them in part of punishment: "If the prophet that flatters them be deceived, and gives them hopes which there is no ground for, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, have suffered the temptation to be laid before him, and suffered him to yield to it, and overruled it for the hardening of those in their wicked courses who were resolved to go on in them.’’ We are sure that God is not the author of sin, but we are sure that he is the Lord of all and the Judge of sinners, and that he often makes use of one wicked man to destroy another, and so of one wicked man to deceive another. Both are sins in him who does them, and so they are not from God; both are punishments to him to whom they are done, and so they are from God. We have a full instance of this in the story of Ahab’s prophets, who were deceived by a lying spirit, which God put into their mouths (1 Ki. 22:23 ), and another in those whom God gives up to strong delusions, to believe a lie, because they received not the love of the truth, 2 Th. 2:10, 2 Th. 2:11 . But read the fearful doom of the lying prophet: I will stretch out my hand upon him and will destroy him. When God has served his own righteous purposes by him he shall be reckoned with for his unrighteous purposes.
Like I said, he has never lied. And please give example of the lies Jesus told. I certainly don't know of any. I'm not a Christian anyway and I never said that Jesus is God.
He has , here is Jesus lying .....6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)....... that's a lie
You never said Jesus was God ? Jesus said he and the father were one and the same , maybe that's a ......lie ?
This means, as My representatives on earth, as persons doing My work, living in My spirit, seeking as I have sought to do the will of the Father. It follows from this that personal petitions are not contemplated here, except as far as they are for the glory of God; and that petitions asked in ignorance may be most truly answered when they are not granted. The prayer of Gethsemane—“If it be possible, let this cup pass from Me: nevertheless, not My will, but Thine be done,” should teach what prayer in the name and spirit of Christ means. We commonly attach to our prayers, “through Jesus Christ our Lord.” We do not always bear in mind that this implies an absolute self-sacrifice, and is a prayer that our very prayers may not be answered except in so far as they are in accordance with the divine will.
I hate to break this to you, but you are a blithering idiot. I'm afraid it's terminal. There is no cure. I'd try to educate you on this topic, but it would be a waste of my valuable time. Sucks to be you.
The fact you believe that shows just how bad your grasp on reality is. You have schooled no one. You haven't even trolled anyone. Proper trolling requires intelligence. It is a fine art, if you can master it. I suggest you not even make the attempt. I'm sure you've had enough disappointments in your life. Like the last election. GOOOOOOO TRUMP!
Just schooled your fellow American bullshitter on the book you and he never read 👌 😱 Aaaah.... the ol ad hominem ..... again and it's not very good is it ?
Obviously hasn't happened you yet retard 😱 You got your humiliation earlier boy , try reading the bible some time .... spoiler alert ..... he dies at the end 👉😪😪
You can't get anything right, can you? He died, but He also rose from the grave and sits at the right hand of God. And it's not over yet. He's coming back again. That will be a really bad day for the likes of you. This conversation is over. I don't debate idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I liked your answer, but it was too drawn out for willfully ignorant people to grasp. It is obvious that you can't be claiming to ask something in my name if you don't have the authority of my word.....the same goes for asking in the name of Jesus.....yet somehow fools can't figure this out, and they think the name of Jesus is supposed to be a magic spell by which they can get whatever they want whenever they want it for whatever purpose their evil minds can dream up.
Brilliant. The argument by ommitting facts attempt. You forgot the main part of the story... on purpose... because you have the brains of a cockroach and are a horrible debater. Emotional appeals all day long with you ....
Funny how everyone on your post where you ' maturely ' tried to get your mob to out me regarded my debating style as excellent and poor old you 😟 Well no one rated you on your own post did they ? everyone whips you don't they ?
Hilarious, you mean the side where everyone said I was a great debater ?
You failed to mention you were called on your pathetic attempt of changing the heading so that someone might agree with you but everyone thought you sucked didn't they ?
I can see the votes. You lost. Read em and weep little boy. Matt is a liberal. He's one of your clan genius. The point? One of YOUR own clan thought Obama was a horrible President because he was. And you didn't know who Nancy Pelosi was, yet think you know anything about American politics. Clown. Go back to school. You're not ready for the real world.
You're right. I've never used videos that don't star the liberal Matt Damon. (Despite this being the only one I've used that has Matt Damon in it, and he isn't actually the main person in the clip) Thanks for proving you're a blabbering dipshit. I'll just sit here and let you carry on like a baboon and make fun of you. Continue. I like watching retards at work while wearing that cute little helmet.
I'm always right and you don't have to keep explaining why you use Matts words to make your points for you , it's all good I can talk you through why you keep losing if you ask nicely 👌
Matt is a liberal like Obama, that thinks Obama was a shitty President. Tell us who Nancy Pelosi is again thou political genius. No? I didn't think so.
You are correct, it is not a lie. To ask something in Jesus' name means to ask according to His word. If we are asking for things which are against His word, we are not asking in His name. If an atheists says "God, in Jesus' name I want a million dollars and I want to be God", the atheist is going to get laughed at and if they won't believe on Jesus they are going to be judged by Him.
Jesus did say He is God, He spoke nothing but the truth and He proved it and still proves it today. You can know, I know........and I personally know many others who know. Yes, most who claim to be Christians are not, but still there are many who really know Jesus is God and He is alive and He will rule the world from Mt. Zion and in that day all of Israel will know He is their Messiah.
It depends on your interpretation but I'm pretty sure what he said then was just symbolic. I don't think he said that they are literally he flesh and blood.
Well, I am an atheist, but according to the Bible, he tells Abraham that he has to kill his son, but then reveals that this was a lie, and that it was only a test. So yes, the Christian and Jewish god can and does lie.
God said Abraham needed to sacrifice Isaac to show that his faith was strong, but was actually lying and did not want Isaac to be killed. It was a lie with a purpose, but a lie nonetheless.
According to Titus 1:2, the Christian God cannot lie.
In a more philosophical sense, a being as powerful as God would not have physical limitations but logical limitations. If God is all-good and never does sinful things, then it would be a logical impossibility for God to lie, not a physical impossibility.
Kind of like how it's logically impossible for a triangle to have more than three sides.
No, because the eternal God is holy and therefore he is uncapable of lying. While he can do everything, he can't do things that go against his nature, and therefore cannot lie.
The real question is can God do anything. There is no evidence that a God can exist let alone do anything that wouldn't have happened in absence of him\her. In the past we would trimble in fear during an eclipse because we thought God was displeased with us. We thought plagues were the signs of the end times. And we thought people with paralysis disorders were brought back from the dead when they were done having an episode.
The way to truth is not through the supernatural, but through logic and reason.
Your argument doesn't make a lick of sense. If God can lie or if atheists lie, then God doesn't exist? You're right. Liars cannot exist and neither can those who don't lie....
Why would God tell a lie. All he'd have to do is change the facts and be right.
And you're logic is flawed demonstrably. If Atheists are lying, God must be lying too by default... Cue the crickets, we have another logical fallacy...
No , Can god tell a lie ? No again , If he changes the facts he's changing a lie to a truth , why would he change the facts if it wasn't a lie in the first place ?
My logic is spot on demonstrably . Yes we do have yet another logical fallacy ..... on your part , cue the crickets 👌
If you are the one who dictates truth, then you can't lie... because you are the one that dictates truth. In 2,000 posts, you'd think you'd finally say something that makes sense.
If you are God you decide and create what is fact. If that's hard to understand, no wonder you were fooled and brainwashed by atheism. You can't understand basic logic. That's on you, not me.
If we go with the Genesis 1 version of god, where he just SAYS, "Let there be light," and then light exists, then your statement makes sense. It kind of becomes definitional that because god's words create reality, then it is impossible for god to lie.
You can't talk about God with an atheist, an atheist can only talk about things which are not God. Even when they gloat about the evil in the world and blame it on God, the "God" they are talking about is an evil thing which is not God but we know it is Satan the atheist loves to hate while he hates God.
You were never a Christian, maybe you thought you were practicing what you would call "the Christian religion" for which a person does not have to be a Christian. A real Christian cannot stop being a Christian. Anybody who says they were a Christian but no longer are was either lying or fooling themselves when they were pretending to be a Christian.
You love lies and hate the truth, that's all there is to it. Agnostic is just pseudo- intellectual snobbery, flattering yourself into thinking your beliefs are superior, and you worship your own mind the same as an atheist. There's nothing to it, it's dumber than rocks and if you feel insulted by the truth it is only because you are against the truth and by going against the truth the truth is against you.
It's not your place to tell me that. The only reason you're saying it is because you literally cannot grasp the idea that people might genuinely believe something one minute, but change their minds later.
Unless you are a faltering Christian yourself and you are trying to project your insecurities onto me.
Anybody who says they were a Christian but no longer are was either lying or fooling themselves when they were pretending to be a Christian.
Nope, you can love Jesus as I did... I almost lost friends through being a Christian and I stuck to my guns. I dedicated hours to Bible study, I cried from joy when praying, I spent my life in perpetual happiness because of what I believed to be the truth.
Then... it was like coming off drugs. And I realised that I'd been wrong, and there was no objective way I could tell that was the truth, I had been going off my feelings and what was written in an ancient book. I tried to get it back, but it was gone.
You love lies and hate the truth, that's all there is to it. Agnostic is just pseudo- intellectual snobbery, flattering yourself into thinking your beliefs are superior, and you worship your own mind the same as an atheist. There's nothing to it, it's dumber than rocks and if you feel insulted by the truth it is only because you are against the truth and by going against the truth the truth is against you.
Jesus would never have said this... ergo you are not currently acting in a very Christ-like fashion.
If I could go back to believing in something I would. And for the most part, I don't even think about what I believe. I just go about my daily life and the only time being an agnostic comes out is when I end up getting into debates with people like you.
The Bible says to be a Christian, you must be born again, and when you are a Christian you have eternal life. You can't have eternal life one day and then stop having it the next day. If you are not a Christian now, you never were a Christian. Maybe you practiced a religion which you called Christian, but you were not born of the Spirit of God and you did not have eternal life, you were not really a Christian.
By your own words compared to what the Bible says, it is clear that you were never a Christian and it is correct for me to say so.
It's gone because it was never there, you never were born of the Spirit of God. You just went along for the ride because it made you feel something....like you said, going off your feelings. You are still going the same way, according to your own feelings, nothing has changed, you never were a Christian.
The Bible is the word of God, Jesus is God, the Bible is Jesus' word. The Bible says the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God (Pslam 14:1). "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools", "vain philosophy"......those are the Bible descriptions of what I call pseudo-intellectual snobbery. Jesus indeed did say it in different words.
You say you were a Christian, studied the Bible, and you say I'm not acting "Christ-like"? I guess you missed the parts where Jesus stood up to people and called them liars, hypocrites, thieves, children of Hell when they showed by their own words and actions what their character was. They crucified Jesus because they hated His preaching, they hated Him telling them the truth about their sins.
Jesus said if I follow Him, the world will hate me the same as they hated Him. I tell you the truth, and you hate it, and climb up on your pedestal of intellectual snobbery pretending it is wise and virtuous to try to disgrace God.
And you who has decided Jesus is not God who conquered death, therefore He is either a liar or a lunatic in your opinion, or the whole Bible is lies and untrustworthy according to you...and then you try to put me down by saying I do not compare well to the person who you say is nothing but lies? I do not want to be like your idea of Jesus who must be some kind of sissified spineless lunatic. I follow Christ who died for me and rose from the dead and I know He is taking me through and you are missing out and on your way to Hell telling yourself how smart you are.
You announced publicly that you claim to have been a Christian and now know you are wrong. You insult every true Christian, and as one of them it is indeed my place to publicly say you never were a Christian.
You present yourself as some kind of authority based on the fact that for a while you fooled yourself into thinking you were a Christian, and maybe fooled your peers....what you really are is a phony: for a while you were a fake Christian, and now you pretend to have superior understanding as "agnostic" which is also fake. You do not have superior understanding. You are still fooling yourself the same as you fooled yourself into thinking you were a Christian.
His argument is that if God lies, he is not omnibenevolent (which is wrong because lying can help people emotionally and in other ways), such as lying to a close friend or relative about a crime you committed to allow them to plea innocence via deniability later).
Now, if he cannot lie, he is then not omnipotent. So ultimately his argument is trying to draw a paradox between an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God.
This is so stupid. God cannot stop being God, a liar cannot be God, God cannot lie.
People keep on repeating this simplicity like they think it is intelligent rhetoric. It's no more intelligent than saying "Can a square be a circle?", or "Can a rock be air?"
"Can God stop being God? If God can't stop being God, then He is not omnipotent".
It's just plain stupid, and it's amazing that people still use these atheist lines as if they are intelligent....I guess enough suckers buy into it so they keep on selling it.
I'm basing this question on the idea that I can prove using the bible that god or Jesus lied yet Christians avoid these contradictions as it seems to uncomfortable to face them .
Questions like this lead me too atheism because I couldn't give a convincing answer to myself , my wife is Christian she won't attempt to answer these as she says I'm too ' tricky ' 😊
It's also fun , when people tell me they believe in a god but not the bible I find that reasonable and it makes a lot more sense .
The universe is unimaginably huge and old. It makes no sense to think anyone actually knows how it came to be, or what qualities would actually be required to make a universe, especially one with logically consistent rules and characteristics.
When multiple believers answer questions like this one, it becomes apparent that they don't know what they are talking about. More to the point, they are not even in agreement about what the exact thing is that they are discussing when they say "god".
Believers in gods do not seem to know much about what they are insisting exists.
Just because people use the same word does not imply they understand each other when they talk.
The upshot is fun conversations about what boils down to nonsense.
The fascinatingly ironic thing is that it is not nonsense to most believers because, in general, they do not examine their beliefs as closely as atheists and agnostics do.
Moreover, in general, while devotees may know a little more about their religion's dogma than atheists/agnostics, they usually know next to nothing about its history or the development of their religious texts. (which is probably why they still believe their religions.)
It is also fun to discuss people's religion with them in the same way I would discuss a Greek myth in a literature class.
Why would you use the bible to discredit jesus or god?
The bible was written by man, there are many men that claim to profess the word of god.
For the bible to have inaccuracies does not discredit god or jesus but merely shows the men that wrote it might have it wrong, or maybe it was just a typo...
Yes I've read the bible apparently it's the word of god .
Every Christian I know came to know about god and Jesus through the bible and every preacher or priest uses it as their source , I've yet to hear of anyone who said they came to know of god through word of mouth and no Christians did not derive their information from anywhere else as their god is only known through the words of the bible unless of course god gave his thoughts and commandments out by different means .
What does this even mean ? ...many , word of mouth , as the same as the bible is written , who are you to know of thee which is wrong .........thats makes no sense at all
I bring it up because because you asked me why I would use it to discredit Jesus or god ; it's called answering a question where I'm from .
I'm not trying to disprove Jesus as I believed he existed but not the miracle worker as depicted , I'm using the bible because believers accept it as the word of god despite you thinking otherwise
"I've yet to hear of anyone who said they came to know of god through word of mouth "
You didn't hear of god before you read the bible?
You don't know anyone that has heard of god with out reading the bible?
I haven't read the bible, how do I know of god?
"What does this even mean ?" '...many , word of mouth , as the same as the bible is written , who are you to know of thee which is wrong' ".........thats makes no sense at all"
It does make sense, unless you truly believe the bible was written by god's divine will in the hand of man, then the bible must be written through word of mouth, if so, which man are you to say is wrong?
Or did they just make it all up? If so....
Does that make all the claims incorrect, no. Does that make the people writing the bible incorrect, possibly.
All you have got is, some guy named 'Jesus' most likely existed, apart from that I can't disprove any of it..
However your rationale is that maybe a 'spaghetti monster' is running the show so don't take sides...
The word of mouth people hear regarding god are from parents , preachers and others who all take their lead from the bible , if not tell me where Christians get the word from ?
Which man am I to say it's wrong ?
I've read it I think it's bullshit and no 🙀 Surely they wouldn't make up stories about talking serpents , a zombie called Jesus and a virgin birth 🙀
Yeah it makes all the claims incorrect except a guy called Jesus lived more than likely but was no wonder worker as depicted .
"Questions like this lead me too atheism because I couldn't give a convincing answer to myself , my wife is Christian she won't attempt to answer these as she says I'm too ' tricky ' 😊
It's also fun"
you found someoner dumber than you for a wife so you can bully her with your dumb religious question.
Thats too smart for the dumb person you're to conjure , who taught you?
Don't waste your time.
I am not replying your reply.....predictably dumb.
You say ......you found someoner dumber than you for a wife so you can bully her with your dumb religious question.......
Say the baboon who cannot spell 😂 I don't bully my my wife unlike you who admitted he was a bully and who admitted women enjoyed being raped how did your woman feel about that big guy ?
The rest of your gibberish is just your usual baboon speak , lay off the nuts for a while 👉🐒
I'm basing this question on the idea that I can prove using the bible that god or Jesus lied yet Christians avoid these contradictions as it seems to uncomfortable to face them .
Questions like this lead me too atheism because I couldn't give a convincing answer to myself , my wife is Christian she won't attempt to answer these as she says I'm too ' tricky ' 😊
It's also fun , when people tell me they believe in a god but not the bible I find that reasonable and it makes a lot more sense .
Your wife is a Catholic, not a Christian, Catholicism is pagan idolatry using names from the Bible for it's gods. Of course your wife can't answer you, she is in a religion based on lies, the Pope has got her........she's a Pope lover.
What a ridiculous statement the Catholic Church remains the one with the largest following of all Christian denominations and it calls itself the one true church of god ; either way to me it matters not it's not surprising when you have no one else to turn on you turn on fellow believers .
My wife is a follower of Christ and therefore by definition a Christian and at least behaves and acts the way a Christian is meant too .
A Christian is suppose to act like Jesus, and Jesus stood up in front of jack asses like you and told them straight to their face in front of large crowds humiliating them, called them liars, thieves, children of Hell, of their father the devil. Your wife is not following Jesus, she is following the Pope who will lead her into Hell where you are going.
You should research the history of Catholicism outside of Catholic schools. ....and read the Bible which clearly and obviously teaches directly in opposition of Catholic teachings. It is not Christian, it has always been the leader of persecution against real Christians who would never bow to any Catholic Pope. It's a bloody institution, always has been and always will be, controlling people by oppressive religious behavior and money demands and by brutal tortuous force against those who stand up against it. Only the strength of America has given the world some reprieve from the Catholic Church......always full of sexual scandal, aborted babies of nuns fill it's basements, and the blood of saints like me is on it's hands.
No wonder you are an atheist........the Poope ruined you suddenly and he's ruining your wife slowly.
If your wife is a Catholic, she is a follower of the Poope and by definition she is a Catholic. Catholicism is paganism which abuses names and terms from the Bible, changing the meaning of words and the significance of individuals to things greater or less than they are in reality....it is a religion which enslaves it's practitioners by making them think they can earn (buy) their way out of Hell. Jesus Christ is God's gift for salvation to all who believe on Him, the gift of God is eternal life, you can't earn it in any religion.
Your wife behaves and acts like a good slave of the Pope, working for the politicized pagan religion which has been among the most murderous thugs on the planet from the day it started under Constantine around 300 a.d. An atheist sticking up for Catholicism...that's funny, they have innocent blood all over their hands and you are holding those hands.
Tell your wife she needs to pay extra penance for you so maybe you can get out of purgatory.......she probably should start by paying an arm and a leg, and then toss her wedding band into the plate with a note to the Pope to ask for mercy on you.
I see. The flaw, and this is just absolutely my opinion, is that the bible was written by men. Over time. I know this is a very unpopular viewpoint with many religious persons but I have more faith in God than I do man and I doubt their ability to put information in religious text without adding something to glorify themselves in the process. Again. This is absolutely my cynicism. I respect people's belief in the Bible, I think as a whole it is a very valuable book with information in both history and spirituality, and I do follow many of its teachings but I take it with a grain of salt, perhaps from Lot's wife...HAH....too soon?
ALSO, I find this fascinating...randomness, I know it's not an official finding and all but speculation still....if you're a geek like me maybe you'll find it interesting...
Oh sure sure, it's just interesting that there is speculation that it was a meteor that caused the destruction of those towns, it's possible when Lot's wife was turned to salt that it was actually ash. I think the stories in the bible coincide with archaeology quite often, in fact many of the things that we know or are searching for (ancient towns/cities) are being found because of the bible. I'm fascinated by archaeology and Biblical stories.
I'm also nerding out on a book that's coming out soon
You say you believe in God. Don't you think that He would be able to make sure that we got His message, as intended? You should study how the Bible was copied over the centuries. We also have copies of the Bible from the first century ad. It is the same as the one we have today. Nothing's been changed. It is the infallible word of God.
I believe we got His message and still do, but I also believe it has the potential to be misrepresented or misunderstood. Or worse yet, warped to suite someone else's need such as the case of extremism.
No. The "left" doesn't elect "gods", we elect qualified individuals and they had better do their jobs! Obama did a good job, not perfect but, I've never known a President that did. (And I've known them all since FDR!) Before you get your panties in a knot, I didn't mean "personally"!
Grenade is an atheist. God cannot stop being God, if God were to lie He would not be good and could not be God, God cannot lie, God cannot stop being God any more than you can stop being you.