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 Can god tell a lie ? (123)

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Can god tell a lie ?

 These latest questions will demonstrate that you can’t actually reason with someone who has embraced insanity. 

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4 points

Wrong wording.

Yes, God can do anything, including telling a lie.

The question is, ''would'' God tell a lie?

Dermot(5738) Clarified
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Yes he would according to the good book Jesus also lied more than once and he claimed he and the father were one ......

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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You hated me from day one because of the Biblical message I bring. You hate God, you hate the Bible, and you hate me because I love them both.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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Catholics, most of them, are very nice people and law abiding citizens........on their way to hell.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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I do appreciate that you are trying to be better mannered as you argue with me. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. If you think it is not possible for you to end up in Hell, then nothing I say should bother you. Your problem is that you are trying to justify yourself and I am logically showing that it is not possible and that makes you mad. Don't get mad, try to be reasonable, and there is a possibility that you will see Jesus is God the Savior who can and will give you eternal life if you will enter into reason with Him.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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If you feel like I'm messing with your mind, it's not me, Dermot, it's God calling you trying to get you to reason with Him. I serve Him. You can't defeat Him by beating up on me.

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God can tell a lie but he never would because he is completely moral. He has no reason to lie.

Hornet(34) Disputed
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Why would god make more than 1 religion?

He would know that would be the cause of many wars, which isn't exactly moral.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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God made reality, genius, He did not make religion .

zale(46) Disputed
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Since when was God the one who made multiple religions? It seems logical to say that many religions are man made.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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You said it right, sort of I guess, that God is completely moral (a vast understatement, but passable for truth). I guess it is also correct that God has no reason to lie. The only thing you missed is that God cannot lie. Whoever created this discussion is talking about a thing which is a god and is not God....many here really hate God and Christians. They seem to be okay with Muslims and homosexuals and all kinds of dirty perverted speech and behavior, but they really hate Christians and God and the Bible.

Dermot(5738) Disputed
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You've never read your bible god does indeed lie as does Jesus according to the ' good book ' .

I do not hate what I don't believe in what I dislike is so called believers like you who ram their religious bullshit down everyone's throat , also I do indeed like Christians ( most my family are such )

but they do not like you go about bleating ad nauseum about their religion .

Religion where I'm from rarely comes up in conversation no more than atheism does most keep it to themselves. , you Americans are pretty vocal about it whys that ?

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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oooops........meant this for you..........it's easy to answer anti-Christians like the devil minded people who make this kind of debate.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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know that God permits those lying prophets to deceive them in part of punishment: "If the prophet that flatters them be deceived, and gives them hopes which there is no ground for, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, have suffered the temptation to be laid before him, and suffered him to yield to it, and overruled it for the hardening of those in their wicked courses who were resolved to go on in them.’’ We are sure that God is not the author of sin, but we are sure that he is the Lord of all and the Judge of sinners, and that he often makes use of one wicked man to destroy another, and so of one wicked man to deceive another. Both are sins in him who does them, and so they are not from God; both are punishments to him to whom they are done, and so they are from God. We have a full instance of this in the story of Ahab’s prophets, who were deceived by a lying spirit, which God put into their mouths (1 Ki. 22:23 ), and another in those whom God gives up to strong delusions, to believe a lie, because they received not the love of the truth, 2 Th. 2:10, 2 Th. 2:11 . But read the fearful doom of the lying prophet: I will stretch out my hand upon him and will destroy him. When God has served his own righteous purposes by him he shall be reckoned with for his unrighteous purposes.

Dermot(5738) Disputed
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If he's completely moral why would he lie ?

That makes him not completely moral ?

Jesus also told many lies

zale(46) Disputed
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Like I said, he has never lied. And please give example of the lies Jesus told. I certainly don't know of any. I'm not a Christian anyway and I never said that Jesus is God.

Vermink(1943) Disputed
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Completely moral? I will leave you with this video

https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo

This explains my argument on god very well.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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That stupid video is not about God, it's about Satan pretending to be God and making you think that being like Satan is as good as being like God.

How do people like you become so duped?

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"These latest questions will demonstrate that you can’t actually reason with someone who has embraced insanity. "

What questions you got there Darwin ?

Dermot(5738) Disputed
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Hint 👉 Read the debate topic , I think it's a ...question 👈

outlaw60(15375) Clarified
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"These latest questions will demonstrate that you can’t actually reason with someone who has embraced insanity."

Where are that latest questions Italian Genius ?

outlaw60(15375) Clarified
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Mommy and Daddy call you up for supper LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well, I am an atheist, but according to the Bible, he tells Abraham that he has to kill his son, but then reveals that this was a lie, and that it was only a test. So yes, the Christian and Jewish god can and does lie.

Grugore(856) Disputed
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How is that a lie? God was testing him. He told him to sacrifice his son, but He had no intention of letting him do so.

You seem to be lost in thought. I know it's unfamiliar territory for you. Should I send a rescue party?

KPWIII(15) Disputed
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God said Abraham needed to sacrifice Isaac to show that his faith was strong, but was actually lying and did not want Isaac to be killed. It was a lie with a purpose, but a lie nonetheless.

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Which exact version of god are we talking about?

To some people this question is asking if a real being with objectively defined attributes is bound by those attributes to being truthful.

To other people, this question is kind of like asking if Harry Potter can lie: it depends on whether J.K. Rowling writes a passage in which he lies.

The problem I see in this debate so far is that people are jumping back and forth between the two.

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According to Titus 1:2, the Christian God cannot lie.

In a more philosophical sense, a being as powerful as God would not have physical limitations but logical limitations. If God is all-good and never does sinful things, then it would be a logical impossibility for God to lie, not a physical impossibility.

Kind of like how it's logically impossible for a triangle to have more than three sides.

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No, because the eternal God is holy and therefore he is uncapable of lying. While he can do everything, he can't do things that go against his nature, and therefore cannot lie.

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I don't recall any story in which the Gods lie .

they do twist and turn thing but lying is not one of them.

The real question is can God do anything. There is no evidence that a God can exist let alone do anything that wouldn't have happened in absence of him\her. In the past we would trimble in fear during an eclipse because we thought God was displeased with us. We thought plagues were the signs of the end times. And we thought people with paralysis disorders were brought back from the dead when they were done having an episode.

The way to truth is not through the supernatural, but through logic and reason.

So no, God can't lie nor can he do anything else.

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Of course he can, that's why atheists are allowed to exist. :)

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No dupe account here. *

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Is this a dispute to my argument?

Why would God tell a lie. All he'd have to do is change the facts and be right.

And you're logic is flawed demonstrably. If Atheists are lying, God must be lying too by default... Cue the crickets, we have another logical fallacy...

Dermot(5738) Disputed
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No , Can god tell a lie ? No again , If he changes the facts he's changing a lie to a truth , why would he change the facts if it wasn't a lie in the first place ?

My logic is spot on demonstrably . Yes we do have yet another logical fallacy ..... on your part , cue the crickets 👌

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If you are the one who dictates truth, then you can't lie... because you are the one that dictates truth. In 2,000 posts, you'd think you'd finally say something that makes sense.

AlofRI(3276) Clarified
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OH, MY! Here we go with the alternate conservative facts again! All Trump has to do is change the facts to be right, so, why not God?? ;-)

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If you are God you decide and create what is fact. If that's hard to understand, no wonder you were fooled and brainwashed by atheism. You can't understand basic logic. That's on you, not me.

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Why should i talk about God with an atheist?.......n..........................................

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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You can't talk about God with an atheist, an atheist can only talk about things which are not God. Even when they gloat about the evil in the world and blame it on God, the "God" they are talking about is an evil thing which is not God but we know it is Satan the atheist loves to hate while he hates God.

Dermot(5738) Disputed
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Ehh , because its a debate site you dummy ?

So why not just not post a reply if you don't wish to debate you dumb brute ?

Antrim(1287) Clarified
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The Holy Jo's like to preach to the converted.

Atheists ask too many awkward questions and highlight the contradictions in what has become known as ''The Holy Book of Fails & Flaws''.

zale(46) Disputed
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Why don't you just debate instead spending your time insulting people just because you disagree with them.

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I'm not sure if He can or not, but why would he? What are you basing this question from? I'm curious.

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His argument is that if God lies, he is not omnibenevolent (which is wrong because lying can help people emotionally and in other ways), such as lying to a close friend or relative about a crime you committed to allow them to plea innocence via deniability later).

Now, if he cannot lie, he is then not omnipotent. So ultimately his argument is trying to draw a paradox between an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God.

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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This is so stupid. God cannot stop being God, a liar cannot be God, God cannot lie.

People keep on repeating this simplicity like they think it is intelligent rhetoric. It's no more intelligent than saying "Can a square be a circle?", or "Can a rock be air?"

"Can God stop being God? If God can't stop being God, then He is not omnipotent".

It's just plain stupid, and it's amazing that people still use these atheist lines as if they are intelligent....I guess enough suckers buy into it so they keep on selling it.

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Ahhhhhhhhh. Ok. Hm. I guess it's still the same for me, I can't really think of a reason why God would lie. Perhaps he could but why would he.

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I'm basing this question on the idea that I can prove using the bible that god or Jesus lied yet Christians avoid these contradictions as it seems to uncomfortable to face them .

Questions like this lead me too atheism because I couldn't give a convincing answer to myself , my wife is Christian she won't attempt to answer these as she says I'm too ' tricky ' 😊

It's also fun , when people tell me they believe in a god but not the bible I find that reasonable and it makes a lot more sense .

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I became an agnostic for similar reasons.

The universe is unimaginably huge and old. It makes no sense to think anyone actually knows how it came to be, or what qualities would actually be required to make a universe, especially one with logically consistent rules and characteristics.

When multiple believers answer questions like this one, it becomes apparent that they don't know what they are talking about. More to the point, they are not even in agreement about what the exact thing is that they are discussing when they say "god".

Believers in gods do not seem to know much about what they are insisting exists.

Just because people use the same word does not imply they understand each other when they talk.

The upshot is fun conversations about what boils down to nonsense.

xljackson(260) Disputed
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Why would you use the bible to discredit jesus or god?

The bible was written by man, there are many men that claim to profess the word of god.

For the bible to have inaccuracies does not discredit god or jesus but merely shows the men that wrote it might have it wrong, or maybe it was just a typo...

jeffreyone(1378) Clarified
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"Questions like this lead me too atheism because I couldn't give a convincing answer to myself , my wife is Christian she won't attempt to answer these as she says I'm too ' tricky ' 😊

It's also fun"

you found someoner dumber than you for a wife so you can bully her with your dumb religious question.

Thats too smart for the dumb person you're to conjure , who taught you?

Don't waste your time.

I am not replying your reply.....predictably dumb.

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I'm basing this question on the idea that I can prove using the bible that god or Jesus lied yet Christians avoid these contradictions as it seems to uncomfortable to face them .

Questions like this lead me too atheism because I couldn't give a convincing answer to myself , my wife is Christian she won't attempt to answer these as she says I'm too ' tricky ' 😊

It's also fun , when people tell me they believe in a god but not the bible I find that reasonable and it makes a lot more sense .

outlaw60(15375) Clarified
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Oh No Darwin are you saying the Quran is lying to the Muslims ???????? You are so intelligent what do you have to say about ????????????????????

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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Your wife is a Catholic, not a Christian, Catholicism is pagan idolatry using names from the Bible for it's gods. Of course your wife can't answer you, she is in a religion based on lies, the Pope has got her........she's a Pope lover.

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I see. The flaw, and this is just absolutely my opinion, is that the bible was written by men. Over time. I know this is a very unpopular viewpoint with many religious persons but I have more faith in God than I do man and I doubt their ability to put information in religious text without adding something to glorify themselves in the process. Again. This is absolutely my cynicism. I respect people's belief in the Bible, I think as a whole it is a very valuable book with information in both history and spirituality, and I do follow many of its teachings but I take it with a grain of salt, perhaps from Lot's wife...HAH....too soon?

ALSO, I find this fascinating...randomness, I know it's not an official finding and all but speculation still....if you're a geek like me maybe you'll find it interesting...

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2015/08/07/historical-investigation-gods-destruction-of-sodom-and-gomorrah/

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What's the next question? Can a Unicorn tell a lie??? Maybe a Cyclops??? Maybe Zeus??

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Unicorns are renowned liars , never buy a used car from a cyclops ...

outlaw60(15375) Clarified
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Obama never told a lie did he Crazy AL ! And Obama was a God to the Left !!!!!

AlofRI(3276) Clarified
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No. The "left" doesn't elect "gods", we elect qualified individuals and they had better do their jobs! Obama did a good job, not perfect but, I've never known a President that did. (And I've known them all since FDR!) Before you get your panties in a knot, I didn't mean "personally"!

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God can do anything he wants, hypothetically. .............................

xljackson(260) Disputed
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How could he do something hypothetically?

Does he exist? Do you have proof? Or are you just making a baseless claim?

NowASaint(1378) Clarified
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Grenade is an atheist. God cannot stop being God, if God were to lie He would not be good and could not be God, God cannot lie, God cannot stop being God any more than you can stop being you.

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Baseless claim of course, just like if we were to discuss the limits of Superman's X ray vision. ............................

doofface99(16) Disputed
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Wrong, God can't do things that go against his nature. God is holy and therefore he is unable to do things that goes against his nature of holiness.