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 Can we finally admit that the "birther" movement is delusional? (40)

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Can we finally admit that the "birther" movement is delusional?

That it even took this long is embarassing to me as an American.

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I can't stand Obama... he's a disgrace but I never was one to question where he was born. Having said that, Barry could have put this to rest years ago and he didn't... And it is most likely Hillary who is to blame for all this in the first place... many liberals seem to forget that.

iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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He did moron. This is what happens when you only watch right wing media, you don't actually know what's going on in the real world.

Hellno(17762) Disputed
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No, he didn't you fucking assbag... he only released the short form until a couple days ago... Don't pretend to know me or what media I follow because you can't.

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I don't like Obama and would love to see the birthers prove him wrong. But nevertheless, with his father being Kenyan, he was never a "natural born" citizen even if he was born in Hawaii, which makes him ineligible to be POTUS.

Nautilus(628) Disputed
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Were your ancestors not immigrants at some point? Wtf is a natural born citizen? By your definition only native Americans can run for office because their parents didn't immigrate to that country recently (15 000 years ago approx, but the first humans here nonetheless). I don't like Obama as a president but stop being a close minded xenophobe because your parents or their parents or their parents etc were immigrants at some point too.

Merlin13(1258) Disputed
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A lot of my ancestors were here first. But for those too willing to jump to conclusions or too lazy to research it yourself, here is the definition:

“Natural born” means born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents. If the Founding Fathers had meant “native born,” they would have written that in the U.S. Constitution. Words have meanings, and the Founding Fathers certainly knew, spoke, and wrote the language better than do most Americans today.

U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

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The only reasons why people are doing this are A: he's black and has a muslim-sounding name. B: they want attention for themselves. Did people do this to Bush or Clinton? I certainty don't think so. It's obviously been delusional from the start. He showed his certificate of live birth which is all most states even issue. That is more proof than a lot of candidates give. The news media needs be responsible and quit giving air time to people like Donald Trump and start actually focusing on important stuff.

Merlin13(1258) Disputed
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I really don't care if he's blue. Interesting that the race card is being played though. I go by the constitution concerning the fact that he is ineligible due to not being a natural born citizen:

“Natural born” means born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents. If the Founding Fathers had meant “native born,” they would have written that in the U.S. Constitution. Words have meanings, and the Founding Fathers certainly knew, spoke, and wrote the language better than do most Americans today.

U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Besides, what is more important than the U.S. Constitution?

Bohemian(3861) Disputed
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I go by the constitution concerning the fact that he is ineligible due to not being a natural born citizen:

“Natural born” means born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents.

If this were the case John McCain would have been ineligible as well as he was born in the Naval Air station, in Panama canal zone which was not US soil.

It is not a requirement that 'Both' parents be US citizens if the child is born on US soil or on a US territory.

Yes. It is high time the after birther movement took hold. I want to see the placenta ;)

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Yes. It always was.

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All politician's records should be made available for public knowledge. If you want to be a public servant, than serve...

It is delusional. The whole movement was ridiculous from the start.

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Interesting, you're ashamed of being an American because of the birther movement?

What about the 9/11 conspiracies or the idiots who make conspiracies about the Koch Brothers?

What's great about this country is that we can make any ridiculous claims and we WON'T get into trouble for it. Yeah, it also shows us how many morons there are in this country, but it's better than the countries that silence people who make claims.

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iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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9/11 conspiracy theorists made up like 1% of the population.

over 60% of republicans chose to believe this bs.

It's a false equivalency.

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