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I can't stand Obama... he's a disgrace but I never was one to question where he was born. Having said that, Barry could have put this to rest years ago and he didn't... And it is most likely Hillary who is to blame for all this in the first place... many liberals seem to forget that.
No, he didn't you fucking assbag... he only released the short form until a couple days ago... Don't pretend to know me or what media I follow because you can't.
I don't like Obama and would love to see the birthers prove him wrong. But nevertheless, with his father being Kenyan, he was never a "natural born" citizen even if he was born in Hawaii, which makes him ineligible to be POTUS.
Were your ancestors not immigrants at some point? Wtf is a natural born citizen? By your definition only native Americans can run for office because their parents didn't immigrate to that country recently (15 000 years ago approx, but the first humans here nonetheless). I don't like Obama as a president but stop being a close minded xenophobe because your parents or their parents or their parents etc were immigrants at some point too.
A lot of my ancestors were here first. But for those too willing to jump to conclusions or too lazy to research it yourself, here is the definition:
“Natural born” means born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents. If the Founding Fathers had meant “native born,” they would have written that in the U.S. Constitution. Words have meanings, and the Founding Fathers certainly knew, spoke, and wrote the language better than do most Americans today.
U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Being a Natural born citizen has more to do with geography than genealogy, although both are important.
Also, apparently his birth certificate was released, it seems he was born in Hawaii and to an American mother. Under the majority of legal opinions concerning whether that qualifies him as "natural born", he would indeed be considered such.
Barack Hussein Obama, II by his own admission is a creature of foreign entanglements at birth and that his natural allegiance was divided at birth and this division made his allegiance to the United States alienable depending upon the jurisdiction he found himself in.
“When Barack Obama, Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.” Obama’s 2008 Campaign website
The warning and intent of our founding fathers has been ignored, the Office of the President of the United States has been usurped by a creature of a foreign government, one who never possessed at birth, complete and undivided, unalienable allegiance to the United States of America.
The British nationality act is British law, not America's.
If any nation can claim someone as their own and thus make them not have, at birth, complete and undivided, unalienable allegiance to the untied states then I suggest to the next country we war against to quickly pass laws which claim as their own all presidential candidates and the current president.
No, it's not an American law but it proves the allegiance that his father had which is passed to his son. At best, he is a native born American which makes him ineligible to be POTUS.
Native born is natural born in the united states. The consitution itself has little to say on what consitutes "natural born" but by looking at common law its quite clear that those born here are considered citizens. We implement jus soli.
Native born simply means you were born stateside. If you were born of illegal immigrant parents in the U.S. then you are native born. But it doesn't mean you can be the POTUS when you grow up.
If your born in the united states your a citizen, a natural born one at that, and that does satisfy one of the requirements for being president. If you look up the law on the matter, you'll see I'm correct. Its simply a matter of research(and research that can be done in a few mins). Please read some of my previous links. There is something called "anchor babies", which would be impossible if America didn't make such people citizens. Such people are natural or born citizens, ie natural born citizens.
Everything I've posted here has been due to research including:
“Native born” means born on U.S. soil. “Natural born” means born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents. If the Founding Fathers had meant “native born,” they would have written that in the U.S. Constitution. Words have meanings, and the Founding Fathers certainly knew, spoke, and wrote the language better than do most Americans today.
There are many historical documents that support the term “natural born” as meaning “born of two citizen parents.” But even if one chooses to “believe” something else, one cannot explain the text of the U.S. Constitution if “natural born” means nothing more than “native born.”
The Constitution states:
”No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
The above text makes no sense if natural born means nothing more than born on U.S. soil. If that is what one believes, the text could have been simplified to:
”No Person except a natural born Citizen shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
In other words, the grandfather clause (“or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution”) would have served no purpose! There would have been no need to include the grandfather clause had the Founding Fathers thought that merely having been born on U.S. soil makes one a natural born citizen!
Because the term natural born citizen means “born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents,” the grandfather clause had to be included in the Constitution because in 1789 there were no natural born citizens who were also 35 years old! Without the grandfather clause, the new nation would have to wait decades before any natural born citizens would turn 35 and become eligible to serve as president. Thus, the grandfather clause was included in order to ensure that there could be presidents until the day came when presidential candidates could meet the natural born citizen and the age and residency requirements. The simple truth is that the Founding Fathers did not want anyone like Obama to become president, because someone like that might feel an allegiance to the foreign country where he was born, or the country of which his parents were citizens. (That has been proven to be the case, with Obama's shameless actions that have offended England and his improper backing of a new Kenyan constitution that expands Sharia law in his father’s country.)
Being natural born includes more then those who are merely native born, but it does include those who are merely native born.
The grandfather clause was to include who were not native born or decedents of American citizens as natural born because it allowed those who fought in the revolution and proved their allegiance with blood to be considered natural born, even if they were born in England. Also, there were people who where of English decent, born in north America and older than 35 then. come now, the brits started colonizing America longer then 35 years before the constitution was signed. The grandfather clause is now meaningless to everyone except historians, as it was meant to become; since no one is over 200 years old. In the beginning of a new country, such things are pretty inevitable.
Insulting England and expanding sharia law can't really be taken as results of allegiance now can they?If any thing, don't they show the opposite?
The only reasons why people are doing this are A: he's black and has a muslim-sounding name. B: they want attention for themselves. Did people do this to Bush or Clinton? I certainty don't think so. It's obviously been delusional from the start. He showed his certificate of live birth which is all most states even issue. That is more proof than a lot of candidates give. The news media needs be responsible and quit giving air time to people like Donald Trump and start actually focusing on important stuff.
I really don't care if he's blue. Interesting that the race card is being played though. I go by the constitution concerning the fact that he is ineligible due to not being a natural born citizen:
“Natural born” means born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents. If the Founding Fathers had meant “native born,” they would have written that in the U.S. Constitution. Words have meanings, and the Founding Fathers certainly knew, spoke, and wrote the language better than do most Americans today.
U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Besides, what is more important than the U.S. Constitution?
I go by the constitution concerning the fact that he is ineligible due to not being a natural born citizen:
“Natural born” means born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents.
If this were the case John McCain would have been ineligible as well as he was born in the Naval Air station, in Panama canal zone which was not US soil.
It is not a requirement that 'Both' parents be US citizens if the child is born on US soil or on a US territory.
It is not a requirement that 'Both' parents be US citizens if the child is born on US soil or on a US territory.
What constitutes being "natural born" falls into two philosophical camps: geography or blood. One group argues that blood rules -- that you are "natural born" regardless of geography, if both parents are citizens. Another group argues that geography rules -- that you are "natural born" only if you are born on U.S. soil.
Purists insist that both parents must be U.S. citizens and you must be born on U.S. soil. This narrow interpretation would mean that Barack Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States.
Neither blood nor geography guides all cases, however Being born on US soil does grant US citizenship.
Purists insist that both parents must be U.S. citizens and you must be born on U.S. soil. This narrow interpretation would mean that Barack Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States
Except this 'narrow interpretation' is not supported legally.
In a 1829 treatise on the US Constitution William Rawle wrote that "every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.
”No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
The above text makes no sense if natural born means nothing more than born on U.S. soil. If that is what one believes, the text could have been simplified to:
”No Person except a natural born Citizen shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
”No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
The above text makes no sense if natural born means nothing more than born on U.S. soil. If that is what one believes, the text could have been simplified to:
”No Person except a natural born Citizen shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
No, because a person can attain US citizenship who wasn't born with it. This is called naturalization. This is who the constitution forbids from running for President, Naturalized citizens.
John Bingham stated in the House of Representatives in 1862:
Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.[13]
He reiterated his statement in 1866:
Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.[14]
Regardless of what John Bingham espoused, nowhere is it stated within the constitution or in any of it's amendments any reference to parental "allegiance" in regards to a Natural Born citizen. In fact Natural born citizen is used to mean anyone granted US citizenship at birth.
Alexander Hamilton suggested "No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States."
Of course "born" was changed to "natural born", but he was obliged and the requirement was added to the Constitution.
But to cover that: Someone born outside of the U.S. is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."
First of all this does not make foreign US military installations US Soil
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Second of all, this provision only grants CITIZENSHIP, not natural born citizenship. Which you contend are different things.
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Thirdly, even if it did this would be a self-refutation, as it would contradict your previous claim that a person must be BORN ON US SOIL and HAVE TWO PARENTS of US CITIZENSHIP.
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If there were grounds to make Obama ineligible for POTUS, based on his father's citizenship rather than his place of birth, Obama's opponents would have jumped on it instead of focusing on where Obama was born. Which is precisely why they haven't because there is no legal grounds for doing so.
Interesting, you're ashamed of being an American because of the birther movement?
What about the 9/11 conspiracies or the idiots who make conspiracies about the Koch Brothers?
What's great about this country is that we can make any ridiculous claims and we WON'T get into trouble for it. Yeah, it also shows us how many morons there are in this country, but it's better than the countries that silence people who make claims.