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 Can you imagine if the KKK sued the NAACP to force them to allow KKK membership? (25)

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Can you imagine if the KKK sued the NAACP to force them to allow KKK membership?

Now since Gay activists and those on the Left have sued Churches to force them to hire Gay Sunday school teachers, can you imagine the outcry from Liberals if the KKK did the same thing to Black organizations? The double standard is frightening when an arrogant group of people are such control fanatics. The ends always justifies the means in the Liberal world of Political correctness.

This is the EXACT reasons why Conservatives and Christians fight back against the Gay agendas. Just as with gun control, or abortion or Obamacare, they will lie to you and tell you they only want to ban assault rifles, or Roe v Wade will only allow first trimester abortions, or if you like your insurnce and your doctor, you can keep them. They now tell us that Gays do not want to twist the Bible to condone homosexuality. THESE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT ARE CLINICAL LIARS!

Whenever you find yourself asking why Conservatives and Christians are so concerned over the Gay movement and other issues.... THIS IS WHY! They want to change our Churches and our faith to sanction Homosexuality as no longer being a sin in the Church. It is already happening with Churches who have openly Gay Pastors who preach that it is not a sin. That is taking the Christian fith and twisting it into a Cult.

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The bedrock of the Christian faith is the Holy Bible. The Bible's message regarding Homosexuality, as with all immorality, is that it is sinful. This Biblical verdict on homosexual behaviour is clear and unambiguous. Therefore, any religion which endorses or merely condones the act of intercourse between people of the same gender, should not be regarded as Christian, nor even a branch of the Christian faith. The Bible cannot be changed or modified so as to be compatible with the fashionable train of thought of the day. All the pseudo intellectual arguments trying to rationalize homosexuality within the Christian Faith should, metaphorically speaking, be discharged down the toilet with the rest of the sewage.

GenericName(3430) Disputed Banned
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"Therefore, any religion which endorses or merely condones the act of intercourse between people of the same gender, should not be regarded as Christian, nor even a branch of the Christian faith. "

"Christian" simply means believing in the divinity of Christ. If one believes in the divinity of Christ, they are Christian. One can hold a WIDE range of beliefs and still be Christian as a result of that. Protestants are still Christian, Orthodox are still Christian, the Cathars were still Christians, the Miasphytes and Coptics are Christian, etc.

That said, I do not understand how anyone tries to justify homosexuality within the Bible. Or, for that matter, why anyone would want to. The only want to rationalize homosexuality within the Christian religion is to say that not all parts of the Bible are divine law, and at that point, I see no way that you could hold that any of the Bible would really be divine law.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Therefore, any religion which endorses or merely condones the act of intercourse between people of the same gender, should not be regarded as Christian, nor even a branch of the Christian faith.

False. Any sin can be forgiven. If the church does not check if you commit other sins, then they have failed.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Give that man an apple! YES, any person who calls God a liar is not a Christian.

esoteric Clarified
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God loves the sinner but hates the sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9. Or do you not know that the unrighteous will NOT inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor men who practice ''HOMOSEXUALITY''. Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it's an abomination. Romans 1:26; For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their woman exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature. But my brothers, repent now and the good Lord will forgive you for your wicket ways. Hallelujah brothers, hallelujah. Ho, ho ho. Roars of laughter from the back stalls.

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You keep bringing this up, but you fail to recognize that these lawsuits are failing. People will always throw around frivolous law suits.

Additionally, you lie when you pretend that Liberals support this. Nowhere near a majority support it.

"This is the EXACT reasons why Conservatives and Christians fight back against the Gay agendas."

Why do you want big government to tell people how to live their lives and who does and doesn't get their Constitutional rights?

"They now tell us that Gays do not want to twist the Bible to condone homosexuality. THESE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT ARE CLINICAL LIARS!"

I really do not think you understand what a lie is. Some gays think the Bible condones homosexuality (I really can not figure out why they would), some don't. Saying those that don't are liars because of those that do is illogical.

"Whenever you find yourself asking why Conservatives and Christians are so concerned over the Gay movement and other issues.... THIS IS WHY!"

That does not make sense. Giving homosexuals their Constitutional rights has no relation to the issues you have mentioned. That is simply an excuse for you to push your opinions onto homosexuals via conservative political correctness and big government tyranny.

"They want to change our Churches and our faith to sanction Homosexuality as no longer being a sin in the Church"

Nope. The "gay agenda" has nothing to do with your religion. There are Christians out there who have that desire you mentioned, but that is an entirely different (and far more inconsequential) agenda from another group.

": It is already happening with Churches who have openly Gay Pastors who preach that it is not a sin. That is taking the Christian fith and twisting it into a Cult"

You do not understand what a cult is. What you have described is a sect. It's the same reason that Protestantism is not a cult (aka Lutherans are not a cult, Episcopalians are not a cult, Baptists are not a cult, Anglicans are not a cult, Pentecostals are not a cult, etc).

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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You said....Nope. The "gay agenda" has nothing to do with your religion....

I can not debate that kind of ignorant denial. I already showed you they do want to transform Christianity by suing churches. Quit acting the fool. Yes, so far the law suits have failed just as decades ago Gay marriage also failed in the courts. your point? DO YOU HAVE A CLUE! The slippery slope is alive and well thanks to Liberals who will never give up pushing their agendas through the court until the day we must all bow to their political correct garbage.

You are becoming very boring repeating the same total ignorance to what's going on in this nation. You must like being ignored.

GenericName(3430) Disputed Banned
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"I can not debate that kind of ignorant denial. I already showed you they do want to transform Christianity by suing churches. Quit acting the fool"

And I already explained to you that is a separate group that has no popular support from the LGBT community at large.

"Yes, so far the law suits have failed just as decades ago Gay marriage also failed in the courts. your point? DO YOU HAVE A CLUE!"

It will always fail so long as the First Amendment is still around.

" The slippery slope is alive and well thanks to Liberals who will never give up pushing their agendas through the court until the day we must all bow to their political correct garbage."

Yes, it is alive in the form of the logical fallacy that you employ in so many of your arguments.

You are the one trying to push a politically correct agenda in regards to same-sex marriage. The left are the ones fighting for the Constitution and Civil equality. Why do you support big government tyranny?

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I don't like repeating myself but for the sake of clarity I'll do so on this instance. The teachings, or scriptures of the Bible are the only laws by which true Christians must live their lives. Trying to adopt and/or adapt to only those passages of the Bible which happen to suit the deviant practices of specific groups or individuals, whilst ignoring it's fundamental principles, is wholly unacceptable and such self deluding mavericks automatically excommunicate themselves from the Christian faith. They may go to Christian places of worship, to hear and/or preach their own specially selected verses of the Gospel, but like all laws, the scriptures cannot be arbitrarily custom tailored to the whimsical interpretations of wannabe Christians. Going to Church and professing to be a Christian doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage bellowing Voom- Voom makes you an automobile. One Bible, one Christian faith. No alterations, no variations and no ''deviations''. Any further attempt to assert the validity of homosexuality within the teachings of Christianity will only be so much futile gobbledygook.

GenericName(3430) Disputed Banned
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"I don't like repeating myself but for the sake of clarity I'll do so on this instance. The teachings, or scriptures of the Bible are the only laws by which true Christians must live their lives. "

Do you recognize that one can believe in the divinity of Christ without believing that the authors of the bible were omniscient?

"Trying to adopt and/or adapt to only those passages of the Bible which happen to suit the deviant practices of specific groups or individuals, whilst ignoring it's fundamental principles, is wholly unacceptable and such self deluding mavericks automatically excommunicate themselves from the Christian faith. "

That would be the majority of Christians.

"Going to Church and professing to be a Christian doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage bellowing Voom- Voom makes you an automobile."

Believing in the divinity of Christ does.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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This is hilarious. You should be a stand up comedian. It is ridiculous to claim that churches don't already pick and choose what scriptures they follow more than others.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Nice blanket lie. Tell me what parts of the New testament the Church denies.

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You still have yet to provide a valid reason as to why you give two shits about other people being gay. How does two people of the same sex in a private room affect you in any way? Or how does two people of the same sex getting married affect you in anyway? It doesn't. It is none of your business.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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I've answered that question many times but people like you just can't get it! We fight against Gay activists and mindless Liberals. Gay activists and bigoted Liberals will not stop until our nation's Christian heritage is censored from every aspect of our public lives and not one person is calling Homosexuality an abnormal unnatural lifestyle. IT IS!

Just because mindless Liberals and Gay's want us all to sanction their lifestyles as normal, does not mean it is. Every single thinking American should be as outraged as they were 20 years ago with the very mention of Gay marriage. This is the slippery slope and a Liberal press with an agenda. This is why we care. We care about America and not allowing radical political correct control freaks to transform what has been the greatest nation on Earth.

We could care less what two people do in their own lives. WE CARE WHEN THEY WANT TO CHANGE OUR BELIEFS AND OUT FAITH AND OUR LAWS!

TheEccentric(3382) Disputed Banned
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Even if Homosexuality is abnormal why can't you keep to yourself? Or do you just enjoy terrorizing people who are different to your idea of what an ideal person should be? You are pretty hypocritical for claiming that gays and liberals are forcing their views upon you when you're so clearly trying to force your views upon you?

Also stop linking be gay or supporting being gay to being liberal. In the USA right-wing seems to mean a pious Christian who hates anything that goes against the bible's morals but that is not what it actually means. In Europe, where political ideologies are correctly understood there are many hard-core right-wingers who are pro-gay or even are gay themselves.

Furthermore supporting Gay rights is not necessarily politically correct. I am the least politically correct person you will ever meet.