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 Can you recognise the fact that being white makes you priveleged? (31)

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Can you recognise the fact that being white makes you priveleged?

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Can you recognise the fact that being white makes you priveleged?

I disagree. Being financially secure is what makes a person privileged. These days being white and poor is even worse than being black and poor because at least you can blame racism if you're black.

Antifa(34) Disputed
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These days being white and poor is even worse than being black and poor because at least you can blame racism if you're black.

You are much more likely to be poor if you're black because of systemic racism so your argument is very white and privileged. Only white people who are privileged think that whites lacking privilege is worse than blacks lacking privilege.

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You are much more likely to be poor if you're black

That's completely irrelevant if you happen to be white and poor you moron.

mywig(3) Disputed
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There is no systemic racism, at least in the United States. There are no laws towards blacks that other races don't have to abide to. You're much more likely to be poor if you don't work or made bad choices in life.

Amarel(5140) Disputed
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You are much more likely to be poor if you're black

Not in Puerto Rico.

because of systemic racism

Pretty simplistic to look at one variable and hang your explanation on it. High school dropouts are more poor because of arrogant educated people holding em down, right? Or maybe generational factors play more of a role...

Why does systematic racism not keep poor black immigrants poor? They tend to do well after they are here for a bit. Also, why does systematic racism disappear for black people after they are married? Hmm

Bottom line, you want to be a victim so you can avoid responsibility for your failures in life. "White privilege", "White supremacy" is the new victim card you can play to justify your lack of accomplishments. Before you start blaming external sources, look at yourself and the decisions you've made in life that led to you being where you are today. I believe the latter is the biggest reason you're where your at and unhappy with your lot.

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Bottom line, you want to be a victim so you can avoid responsibility for your failures in life.

Wow. You far right retards really have invented your own alternative reality, haven't you? The system is supposed to be there to serve humanity you offensively stupid idiot. People don't fail the system. The system fails people.

The "bottom line" is that you are looking for a plausible excuse why other people have less material things than you do, and are willing to invoke any irrational and stupid explanation which confirms your own narcissistic belief structure. You literally feel like you are "better" than other people because you have had some measure of success.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why capitalism is such a divisive and self-destructive method of running an economy. It fortifies hate, delusion and tribal class divisions, vilifies the poor and mythologises the rich.

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It's societies fault! Yes, why not? Why take personal responsibilty when you can blame someone/something else? How convenient.

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No being white doesn't makes you privileged, actually our qualities and skills are important which makes us privileged. Being white but of no use is worthless and being black but very useful and skilful would be worthy and highly privileged

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The only form of actual privilege is good choice privilege. If you've made good choices in life, then you're ensured to have a good life and future. If you made bad choices in life, then that's a different issue.

SunziReturns(42) Disputed
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The only form of actual privilege is good choice privilege.

You are genuinely an idiot. Please shut up indefinitely.

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Well, that depends.

Yes, I can acknowledge that because I am white, I do not fully understand the specific experiences and struggles of the average black man, not to say that I have much better understanding of anyone else's struggles regardless of race just by virtue of the fact that I haven't lived their life.

I am also willing to have the discussion of how to work with the police to combat abuses of power which, I agree, are way too fucking common, even though I think that defunding the police is exactly the wrong way to do that.

If you want me to apologize or make reparations just because I happened to be born white, straight, and male, get fucked. I didn't have a magic elevator carry my ass to where I am now. I was abused as a child, I spent time homeless, I spent time in the military, I watched people I love die without ever starting their life and had to learn by their bad example. We've all got shit we've had to deal with, and you either get over it or you don't. I'm not incapable of sympathy for someone's plight with racism but that doesn't mean I owe them a damn thing. And if it makes me a racist to hold other people to the same standard to which I hold myself then so be it.

BurritoLunch(5192) Clarified
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I am also willing to have the discussion of how to work with the police to combat abuses of power which, I agree, are way too fucking common, even though I think that defunding the police is exactly the wrong way to do that.

The issue I think is that power almost invites abuse. Police are no different to the rest of society; some good, some bad. The problem arises because the bad ones have more power than civilians. Ultimately, I think police need to be held to a higher standard than the rest of society.

Antifa(34) Clarified
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The issue I think is that

The issue I think is that you're a capitalist pretending to be a socialist and pretending to agree with a social-capitalist who is really a capitalist fascist pretending to be a social-capitalist.

Amarel(5140) Clarified
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Where the hell is this coming from? Were you just waiting for me to leave?

Antifa(34) Disputed
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I am also willing to have the discussion of how to work with the police to combat abuses of power which, I agree, are way too fucking common, even though I think that defunding the police is exactly the wrong way to do that.

If you take the money out of the police and put it into social programs you can reduce crime. Would you rather pay to punish people for crimes including fictional ones or pay to prevent crime before it happens by reducing the shittyness of the lives of would-be criminals who are driven to crime by their lack of privilege in a world ruled by privileged people?

Amarel(5140) Clarified
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So much crime in poor areas is committed by people against their own family and neighbors in the same circumstances. And most of the people in those circumstances aren't committing crime, so it's not the circumstances that causes it. You want to help underprivileged people, get them a more effective protective service. Increased patrol s would help. Maybe some social workers walking the block.

Miocene(613) Disputed
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Seems to me that you're having another discussion with your latest, 15 hour old alter-ego!

MAN, MAN OH MAN.

mywig(3) Disputed
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Putting money into social programs and welfare worsens a community. Police officers are supposed to defend and protect a community and 80% of blacks actually want their communities MORE patrolled than less patrolled. No one is driven to crime by their "lack of privilege", they're driven to crime because they WANT to commit crime and be criminals. Let's prevent crime by promoting the nuclear family, educating communities and individuals that crime is not the answer no matter the situation.

TheDevil(1) Disputed
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If you take the money out of the police and put it into social programs you can reduce crime

I have to disagree with this sentiment. We have a massive problem in this country with throwing money at problems in order to solve them instead of actually analyzing facts and formulating actionable, reasonable plans. Putting money toward social programs isn't a plan, it's just a reallocation of resources. And unfortunately, in this country, we're fuckin' terrible at social programs. I, for instance, get free healthcare through the VA. We have the most overfunded military in the world. I pay for top tier health insurance rather than get free healthcare because the government run healthcare is THAT MUCH OF A BROKEN PIECE OF SHIT. As far as fictional crimes go, we do have processes in place to remove them. They're slow, by design so that it's difficult to write fictional crimes in the first place, but it's not without it's victories. Gay marriage legalized by the supreme court. Weed legalized in a dozen or so states and counting. Magazine bans turned over in California, very recently.

We could talk for hours about the tipping point of diminishing returns on social programs all day long but we have the simple problem that governments, if given enough power over the lives of citizens will eventually become corrupt and there will be unintended consequences of the standard of living being reduced across the board. Just look at literally any communist or socialist country and realize that our government really doesn't have our best interests at heart any more than Nicolas Maduro does for his people They're only kept in check by our votes and our constitution, when we don't let them get away with bending or shattering the rules.

There is the simple and ugly truth that we have not invented a system that eliminates poverty. We can attempt to bring everyone to a state of economic equilibrium which, when done on a large enough scale, always results in total economic collapse or we can accept that there will be winners and losers and do our best to move society forward as a whole. The amazing thing is that when we do the latter, luxuries become cheaper and cheaper, and in a matter of a few generations- often less- what used to be a symbol of wealth is commonplace among all classes. Think of cell phones. In the 90s if you had a cell phone it was because you were rich. Today if you don't have a cell phone powerful enough to make the computers onboard the Apollo spacecraft look like an abacus, you're an anomaly.

But, I digress. Why do I think we need to keep funding within the police system? Nay, why do I think they perhaps even need more funding? Because they need more training, and training costs money. I hate that humanity is built like this, but we're a bunch of fucking dumb, violent apes forever and always only one bad decision away from turning our lives and the lives of those around us into total chaos at all times. We need people who will run toward emergencies, and we need to equip them appropriately, mentally and physically. That means more than a social worker. You get a situation of some drug addled guy trying to run off with a fucking baby all of a sudden- this shit happens- a social worker just won't cut it to solve that problem. That's just one scenario, the point is that situations- sometimes seemingly normal situations- turn to shit very, very fast. You need the guy that you call to have that gun.

But. You need them to have good judgement before they use that gun. Damn near nobody is perfect under the pressure of a firefight and if they are it's usually by luck. The ideal is to avoid the firefight when possible. Sometimes it's inevitable, but it goes a long way for a police station to involve itself in the community beyond just patrolling. To try to break the "us versus the invisible enemy" mentality. To learn how to deescalate and actually practice techniques. To learn to handle situations involving drugs, mental illness, or both. To hold each other to high moral standards. It's going to take a cultural shift, and that's not going to be easy, but it is, I think, the best way forward.