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Can you take a gun to work?
This guy I work with, a recent Russian immigrant, went to apply for a concealed carry permit. He's now asking me if he's allowed to bring his gun to work after he gets the permit. I know the company won't like it, but are they allowed to say no? If he brings a gun in, am I allowed to play with it?
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Yes, provided you don't work at a school, church, government building, or any other place it is prohibited to carry a weapon. As to causing everyone around you to be worried for their safety; there is a reason it is call concealed carry, nobody should know you have a gun. There is a good chance someone you work with carries all the time, and you will never know. If your employer wouldn't like you carrying, consider this: If you ever need to use a gun to defend yourself or others at your work place; I think you'd rather look for a new job, then a casket. And no, you most defiantly cannot play with his gun at work. Side: Yes
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I'm only over here because I think the answer is no. What I also think is that before even attempting it he should both get some research and make sure the place he works at doesn't have some specific policy or anything like that. I feel like if you are working at a school, you probably shouldn't be carrying a gun around, I don't know that's just me. Where as if you are working in some conveniences store, that may be known as easy prey for robbers, that carrying a gun should in fact be mandatory and issued by the business with training, and all of that. Side: No
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Post office shootings give everyone a reason to be afraid. Your way makes more people afraid. The people who think they are safer with guns will now feel afraid. The people who are afraid of guns will not be affected because they are oblivious to how many guns are around anyway. As long as the gun carriers conceal, the scaredy cats will be fine. Side: No
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I know someone in his late 20s who ate a jar of mustard for nothing. Are you sure that no one would shoot something for $20, especially if they don't think they'll get in trouble? I remember hearing about an elementary school kid who had a gun on the bus. Someone dared him to shoot it, so he did, and accidentally killed someone. He wasn't of legal age for owning a gun, but I wouldn't assume that no one over 21 will do stupid things on a dare or bet. Side: No
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A guy ate mustard, therefore people will shoot guns. A kid shot someone on a bus, therefore adults will shoot people. You're right, it doesn't sound like you, it sounds smarter. I associated something you actually did in your past and said you still do it, I am sooooooooooooooooooo crazy. Side: No
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A guy ate mustard, therefore people will shoot guns. A guy did something stupid for free, therefore someone might do something stupid for $20, especially if they think it's their right to do so. A kid shot someone on a bus, therefore adults will shoot people. Are you denying that adults shoot people? You're right, it doesn't sound like you, it sounds smarter. I associated something you actually did in your past and said you still do it, I am sooooooooooooooooooo crazy. Babies change when they become adults. Is that really news to you? Side: Yes
A guy did something stupid for free, therefore someone might do something stupid for $20, especially if they think it's their right to do so. People used to keep slaves, it makes sense that people would try to keep slaves now. Your monumental leap in logic makes you wrong. Babies change when they become adults. Is that really news to you? Funny, you say what kids do adults do. You also say what kids do adults don't do. Side: No
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I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're honestly retarded. People used to keep slaves, it makes sense that people would try to keep slaves now. No, because times have changed. Slavery is now illegal and socially unacceptable. Funny, you say what kids do adults do. You also say what kids do adults don't do. What kids do, adults may or may not do. It depends. Use a little common sense. Side: Yes
Wait a second, you are the one who is trolling and you are pretty retarded. No, because times have changed. Slavery is now illegal and socially unacceptable. So is shooting a gun. What kids do, adults may or may not do. It depends. Use a little common sense. I was using mayo sense, it is by definition very very dumb. Why is it ok for you to present stupid scenarios, but when someone else presents a scenario they are labeled retarded? Side: No
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So is shooting a gun. No, it's not. Shooting a gun makes you cool. One gun retailer was even giving out man cards to people who bought AR-15s (they took that page down after Sandy Hook). I'm not sure about the laws, but obviously there are some situations in which you can shoot legally, and others in which you can get away with it even though it's not legal. Why is it ok for you to present stupid scenarios, but when someone else presents a scenario they are labeled retarded? I don't present stupid scenarios, and I would almost never call someone retarded just for coming up with a stupid scenario. I was disputing your logic, not any situation you came up with. Side: Yes
No, it's not. Shooting a gun makes you cool. One gun retailer was even giving out man cards to people who bought AR-15s (they took that page down after Sandy Hook). I'm not sure about the laws, but obviously there are some situations in which you can shoot legally, and others in which you can get away with it even though it's not legal. A guy gives out stickers to people who buy his product. You are fucking retarded. He is trying to sell stuff. I don't present stupid scenarios, and I would almost never call someone retarded just for coming up with a stupid scenario. I was disputing your logic, not any situation you came up with. You only present stupid scenarios. Every single scenario you present is bad. My logic was your logic, so you disputed yourself. Side: No
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A guy gives out stickers to people who buy his product. You are fucking retarded. He is trying to sell stuff. Yeah, I get that. What's your point? You only present stupid scenarios. Every single scenario you present is bad. My logic was your logic, so you disputed yourself. I know you are, but what am I? Side: Yes
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If I were to carry a sword with me to work, wouldn't you be a little scared? It is a deadly weapon. There is not need for it, not even selfdefense. We have people to defend you, and those are called the police. You might say the police are not good enough, but then THAT is your problem. Make the police better at protecting. There shouldn't be any need for a gun in your purse, when we spend thousands of millions to pay the police to protect us. And on top of that - you say a sane rational person possessing a gun is not reason for others to be afraid. But if you allow guns for everyone to carry at work, then there is a big chance a not so sane or rational person gets his or hers hands on one too. There is your reason to be afraid. Side: Yes
If I were to carry a sword with me to work, wouldn't you be a little scared? It is a deadly weapon. There is not need for it, not even selfdefense. I would not be because I have been assured that the only dangerous weapon is a gun. We have people to defend you, and those are called the police. You might say the police are not good enough, but then THAT is your problem. Make the police better at protecting. There shouldn't be any need for a gun in your purse, when we spend thousands of millions to pay the police to protect us. Step 1. Fix police Step 2. Reduce need for guns Your steps are backwards. And on top of that - you say a sane rational person possessing a gun is not reason for others to be afraid. But if you allow guns for everyone to carry at work, then there is a big chance a not so sane or rational person gets his or hers hands on one too. There is your reason to be afraid. The requirement is that only sane and rational people can bring to work. Problem already solved. Side: No
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I would not be because I have been assured that the only dangerous weapon is a gun. Who stupid idiot told you that? :) Step 1. Fix police Step 2. Reduce need for guns Your steps are backwards. Fixing police while everyone carries guns is gonna be a little chaotic. The requirement is that only sane and rational people can bring to work. Problem already solved. Sane and rational people have often been poorly judged. We have had policemen, judges and lawyers, who were said to be sane, but ended up killing and raping. Just because some test or something says your sane, doesn't mean people shouldn't fear you when you carry a gun. Side: Yes
Fixing police while everyone carries guns is gonna be a little chaotic. That's a bit ridiculous. You mean to tell me that response times for the police are affected by me carrying a gun. I don't think so. Sane and rational people have often been poorly judged. We have had policemen, judges and lawyers, who were said to be sane, but ended up killing and raping. Just because some test or something says your sane, doesn't mean people shouldn't fear you when you carry a gun. So disarm everyone because YOU can't tell who is sane and rational? The problem is you feel safer when we make the environment more unsafe. Side: No
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So disarm everyone because YOU can't tell who is sane and rational? Just don't allow people to go armed to work or school. The problem is you feel safer when we make the environment more unsafe. Nice quote. If everyone walks around with guns, doesn't that make the environment unsafe? Side: Yes
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You just proved my point. You would not call somebody a name, because you know he has a gun. That makes you fear him, because if he didn't wear the gun, you would be more relaxed and not in fear. People in society shouldn't hesitate with calling each other names, because of fear of the other one shooting you. Side: No
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My way is, that if you are carrying a gun, you're giving everybody else a reason to be afraid. I mean come on, let's take America, which is probably the most liberal country considering their gun laws. Anyone can get his hands on a gun, and the results is what? 11.000 people are killed by gun in the America. A YEAR! While in all other countries the number of people killed by gun (not counting war) is a 3 digit number. America has the biggest amount of school shootings. America has the DOUBLE amount of school shootings than THE REST OF THE WORLD. It's funny how you're saying guns protect, while the country which is the most liberal country when talking about guns is also the most country that kills the most people, than the rest of the world combined. I live in a small country, about 50.000 people live here - not one of us has a gun, some have rifles for hunting. You know how many people have been murdered here? Nobody by gun, and two people the last five decades. I think that is proof enough to claim, that a country filled with guns is not a protective country. It is a killzone. Side: No
I mean come on, let's take America, which is probably the most liberal country considering their gun laws. Anyone can get his hands on a gun, and the results is what? 11.000 people are killed by gun in the America. A YEAR! A very large portion of which come from the gun free Chicago and Washington D.C. areas. While in all other countries the number of people killed by gun (not counting war) is a 3 digit number. Funny, after 3 digit years of gun regulation it still isn't 0. That isn't success in my book. Plus those countries have more violent crime. More people die by other means than what should be considered acceptable, but hey it isn't with a gun, so who cares. America has the biggest amount of school shootings. America has the DOUBLE amount of school shootings than THE REST OF THE WORLD. Funny, guns aren't allowed in schools. It sounds like you are responsible for those numbers. It's funny how you're saying guns protect, while the country which is the most liberal country when talking about guns is also the most country that kills the most people, than the rest of the world combined. Even Mexico and Honduras? Damn it. I think that is proof enough to claim, that a country filled with guns is not a protective country. It is a killzone. But, you would be wrong, sorry. The numbers you ignore say otherwise. Side: Yes
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A very large portion of which come from the gun free Chicago and Washington D.C. areas. That is false, the state where most people are killed by gun is Texas. Funny, after 3 digit years of gun regulation it still isn't 0. That isn't success in my book. Plus those countries have more violent crime. More people die by other means than what should be considered acceptable, but hey it isn't with a gun, so who cares. The only country that has more murders than America (this is not by gun, just murders) Is Africa. Africa has over 160,000 while America has 150,000 murders the last couple of years. The rest of the world? Asia has 120,000 and Europe has under 30000. Australia is probably the winner of the lowest rate, which is only a couple thousands. This is a list over the last couple years. About 1000 people are killed in international areas. But this shows that America is on the top 2 list, So ''those countries'' do not have much more violence. Africa is the only one that tops America, and the difference is not even that big. Funny, guns aren't allowed in schools. It sounds like you are responsible for those numbers. Those school shootings are made in a country where the difficulty of getting your hands on a gun is about 0. The numbers you ignore say otherwise. What numbers? You've given me no numbers. Side: No
That is false, the state where most people are killed by gun is Texas. Also false, it's California. There are 99 murders in D.C. and 3.6% gun ownership. I don't know how to explain that. The only country that has more murders than America (this is not by gun, just murders) Is Africa. Africa has over 160,000 while America has 150,000 murders the last couple of years. The rest of the world? Asia has 120,000 and Europe has under 30000. Australia is probably the winner of the lowest rate, which is only a couple thousands. This is a list over the last couple years. About 1000 people are killed in international areas. But this shows that America is on the top 2 list, So ''those countries'' do not have much more violence. Africa is the only one that tops America, and the difference is not even that big. Wrong. India, Brazil, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, and South Africa have more murder. There are several countries with higher murder rates, I don't know if you want to compare actual numbers or the rate. You don't make any sense, you are comparing continents, how does that work? Those school shootings are made in a country where the difficulty of getting your hands on a gun is about 0. How many school shootings have you heard about in Israel where teachers are armed? What numbers? You've given me no numbers. You started it. How about Honduras with a gun murder rate of 64.8 and gun control. Only 6.8 guns per 100 people. America has 88 in ownership and 3.6 murder rate by gun. Side: Yes
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Also false, it's California. There are 99 murders in D.C. and 3.6% gun ownership. I don't know how to explain that. Okay, sorry for that. But .. I can imagine if I lived in California, if I really wanted a gun I would just drive a couple of miles to another state and get one. California is still in the United states, it shouldn't be very hard to smuggle a gun. Compare the united states with the rest of the world. You will see that America's laws are one of the most tractable laws considering Guns and other firearms. And it shows, because you have way.. WAY more murders by firearms than the rest of the world. Wrong. India, Brazil, Mexico, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Nigeria, and South Africa have more murder. There are several countries with higher murder rates, I don't know if you want to compare actual numbers or the rate. Ethopia, Nigeria and South Africa are part of the ''Africa'' think I've listed, which is 160,000 murders the last couple of years. You don't make any sense, you are comparing continents, how does that work? .. ? How? Are you asking how I am comparing continents? How many school shootings have you heard about in Israel where teachers are armed? I don't know.. 3 in the news, there are probably more that I didn't hear about :) What's your point? You started it. How about Honduras with a gun murder rate of 64.8 and gun control. Only 6.8 guns per 100 people. America has 88 in ownership and 3.6 murder rate by gun. You and me have completely different numbers. Either you make up those numbers or mine are false. I'll say it right away, that the numbers of how many people are murdered might be false. But my numbers of how many people are murdered by gun are true. I don't know where you got your numbers, they don't make sense. Side: No
Okay, sorry for that. But .. I can imagine if I lived in California, if I really wanted a gun I would just drive a couple of miles to another state and get one. California is still in the United states, it shouldn't be very hard to smuggle a gun. Compare the united states with the rest of the world. You will see that America's laws are one of the most tractable laws considering Guns and other firearms. And it shows, because you have way.. WAY more murders by firearms than the rest of the world. You are talking about D.C. not California, California has lots of guns. D.C. doesn't but still high gun murder. Weird. California is highly populated and will have many people die. . ? How? Are you asking how I am comparing continents? America, the United States of America, that's what we are talking about here, right? You can't compare 1 country to other continents. Or what you seem to be doing comparing the Americas to other continents and blaming everything from the entire Americas on the USA. I don't know.. 3 in the news, there are probably more that I didn't hear about :) What's your point? I haven't heard of any, which ones are you talking about? I am saying Israel doesn't have school shootings. You and me have completely different numbers. Either you make up those numbers or mine are false. I'll say it right away, that the numbers of how many people are murdered might be false. But my numbers of how many people are murdered by gun are true. I don't know where you got your numbers, they don't make sense. You didn't present any numbers about people being killed by gun, did you? I only saw your numbers on murders. Side: Yes
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I haven't heard of any, which ones are you talking about? I am saying Israel doesn't have school shootings. What's your point then. I only said America has the double amount of school shootings than the rest of the world combined. 31 on in a America since 2010, only 14 in the rest of the world. You didn't present any numbers about people being killed by gun, did you? I only saw your numbers on murders. Yes I did, you apparently chose to ignore those. Here is a small list of how many people are killed by gun each year Germany: 381 UK: 68 Canada: 165 Australia: 65 Japan: 39 France: 255 USA: 11,127 Side: No
What's your point then. I only said America has the double amount of school shootings than the rest of the world combined. 31 on in a America since 2010, only 14 in the rest of the world. My point is the shootings happen because we make them gun free zones. Yes I did, you apparently chose to ignore those. No you didn't. This is the first time you put up the numbers on Germany, UK, etc. Here is a small list of how many people are killed by gun each year Here is their gun ownership: Germany:30.3 UK:6.2 Canada:30.8 Australia:15 Japan:.6 France:31.2 USA:88.8 Weird, if we take out USA what do we have? Germany has less guns than Canada and France, but more gun deaths. Australia has more guns, but less death than UK. And Japan has less than 1 gun per 100 people and still manages to gun down 39 people. Then you have America with orders of magnitude higher death, and we blame guns. Why don't we see these gun problems in other countries, there should be a correlation, but there isn't. Murder goes UP when gun control is passed. Side: Yes
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My point is the shootings happen because we make them gun free zones. Uuh.. didn't you just read what I said? America - the most tractable country in the world considering firearm laws has 31 school shootings since 2010, and the rest of the world has 14 combined. No you didn't. This is the first time you put up the numbers on Germany, UK, etc. A few moments back I said America has over 11.000 murders a year killed by firearm, while the rest of the world has a number with three digits. Weird, if we take out USA what do we have? Germany has less guns than Canada and France, but more gun deaths. Australia has more guns, but less death than UK. And Japan has less than 1 gun per 100 people and still manages to gun down 39 people. But still somehow America manages to kill 11.000 people, and it is the most tractable country in the world considering firearms. Murder goes UP when gun control is passed. That doesn't really makes sense since America murder rate by gun have gone higher and higher. You would think, with your analogy, that it would go down.. since according to you guns protect. Side: No
Uuh.. didn't you just read what I said? America - the most tractable country in the world considering firearm laws has 31 school shootings since 2010, and the rest of the world has 14 combined. We can get guns but we are not allowed to have them in this one area. In that one area we have more gun deaths than the entire world. Maybe we should try allowing guns there. A few moments back I said America has over 11.000 murders a year killed by firearm, while the rest of the world has a number with three digits. I did say numbers. But still somehow America manages to kill 11.000 people, and it is the most tractable country in the world considering firearms. Gun control doesn't actually work. USA has gun deaths for other reasons. That doesn't really makes sense since America murder rate by gun have gone higher and higher. You would think, with your analogy, that it would go down.. since according to you guns protect. We keep adding gun control laws here. Every time a new law goes into place gun death goes up. Plus gun death in America is going down, sorry. Side: Yes
You already went from this point with Cartman, so if you don't wanna go from here with me it's cool. I would definitely not be scared if I saw you with a sword. 1.(assuming your 'about me' section of your profile is accurate) you are a 17 year old girl; not that threatening. 2. If by chance you are a skilled sword fighter; still not worried, boom, I got a gun. The police are not intended to protect an individual person, those people are called body guards. The police are intended to protect the population at large. And enforce laws. So; if you want to pay for a personal body guard for me every time I'm in public, I'll leave my gun at home. Otherwise, I will take the personal responsibility to protect myself and my loved ones. And hey, I might just defend a stranger being attacked, if I'm feeling generous that day. I'm not allowing guns for everyone to carry at work; that would be foolish, but it doesn't mean that someone who has been deemed by the government (which you seem to have great confidence in) as responsible/sane/rational enough to carry a gun should be a reason for others to be afraid. When you are at work/school/in public, how often is a person less three feet directly behind you? If any of these people are "not so sane or rational", they could hit you in the back of the head with a hammer at least twice, which would be most likely fatal, before anyone could react. (And it would a little bit of a wait for the nearest policeman to respond to your scream.) And there aren't any qualifications necessary to purchase or carry around a hammer, even at work. My point is that there is always a potential for danger and there aren't often police within the immediate vicinity; so being equiped to defend yourself aka. self defense (as in I carry a concealed weapon for self defense) is just the rational, responsible thing to do. Side: No
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would definitely not be scared if I saw you with a sword. You would :) (assuming your 'about me' section of your profile is accurate) you are a 17 year old girl; not that threatening. I am a 17 year old PREGNANT girl, and you know pregnant women are x100 dangerous, and also I know karate. If by chance you are a skilled sword fighter; still not worried, boom, I got a gun. You forgot the animation, oh well, STAB, you're killed. Side: Yes
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That's retarded. If you aren't a cop or in the military why do you need a gun at work? I could even understand jewelry stores or convinience stores keeping a gun under the counter, but this redneck "I have the right to bear arms when and where I want" bullshit is annoying! Side: No
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