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This seems obviously true. They are both forms of censorship. There are certainly differences between them, but their basic function is the same. And both are cringe.
I feel however it is more of a method to silence, or eliminate the publication of opinions of those who hold different views to your own.
Everyone, regardless of who they are or what their viewpoint is should not be denied platform but instead given the opportunity to to present their genuinely held beliefs for reasoned and rational debate.
Cancel culture is the modern spirit of book burning
Hello A:
Cancel??? I don't wanna cancel them.. I LOVE statues.. I wanna put 'em in museums.. That's where history belongs... But, if they're put in the public square, it means the public is celebrating them..
Cancel??? I don't wanna cancel them.. I LOVE statues.. I wanna put 'em in museums.. That's where history belongs... But, if they're put in the public square, it means the public is celebrating them..
Cool. Hopefully the lefties in Seattle don't care whether Lennin's statue has a head...
It's civil disobedience... Kinda like throwing somebody's tea overboard..
It's nothing like that. The Boston teaparty was against a tax used to take our money and give it to others, and the left wants to tax us more...and give it to others...
Truth is, this country was founded in dissent..
Dissent against the establishment. Today, the establishment would be the left.
I think Chaz is rather silly but I don't disagree with many of their issues. For example, I'm sick and tired of trigger happy cops. Chaz might be fun and games through the summer but I'm thinking that about the middle of November it won't be nearly as much fun. It'll turn into a homeless encampment and the Woke community will go back to their mothers basements.
That being said, there's nothing more American than protest. You're seeing the results. The GOP senators are all wearing depends.
Do you view CHAZ as an appropriate method of protest.
Hello again, A:
Appropriate??? APPROPRIATE???? Dude!
Have you read the Constitution?? The 1st Amendment says NOTHING about "appropriate".. I thought right wingers LOVED the Constitution.. No, huh??
Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble
I understand what NO LAW means.. You?? Nahhh... It DOESN'T mean you can ONLY protest if it's "APPROPRIATE".. Civil disobedience isn't APPROPRIATE.. It's NOT supposed to be.. It's supposed to be messy, loud and IN your face. Right wingers want it to be "appropriate" whatever the hell that means... Does it mean walking quietly on the sidewalk with NO yelling, and NO signs?? DUDE..
Do you think it was appropriate for the patriots to take over a ship and dump its cargo over the side??? Oh, THAT kind of protesting is fine with you..
Dude!
I say again, this great country of ours was BORN in dissent.
There is very little about CHAZ that is not a crime.
Hello again, A:
It's the politics of CHAZ that makes you say it's a crime.. But, I betcha that when the right wing Bundy clan took over some government property, you thought that was cool, proper, and of course, it was a protest..
I was thinking specifically about the private citizens unfortunate enough to be wrapped up in CHAZ and the failure of their government to protect them from extortion, assault, harassment, vandalism, theft, and access to public services.
But now that you mention it, did you support the Bundy building occupation?
But now that you mention it, did you support the Bundy building occupation?
Hello again, A:
Good question.. I'll defer to the Constitution.. It says that we have the right to PEACEABLY protest... Contrary to your FOX News assertion, the CHAZ protest IS peaceable..
Of course, you KNOW the reason they HAVE CHAZ in the first place, is because the police abandoned it - NOT because they forcibly took it over.. You also KNOW that the cops could take it back in an instant.. The CHAZ hippies AIN'T armed.
On the other hand, as we've been discussing, there IS a difference between CRIME and PROTEST.. I'd suggest a good barometer to distinguish the two would be, did the protesters take over the property they held/hold by FORCE, as in with GUNS, or did they get the property peaceably?
The police left a building, not the multiple blocks under control of CHAZ. And yes, some of them are armed. Yes they engage in violence and threats. The crimes they commit cannot effectively be addressed because of the rest of them obstructing. The signs there say you are leaving the US. Well, the US has an obligation to the citizens within that zone who didn't sign up for thug rule. Similar attempts in other parts of the country have been shut down before they get going. That's for the best too because it will get violent.
Your support for it shows little more than the extent of your safety from it and your lack of concern for law abiding victims.
I was thinking specifically about the private citizens unfortunate enough to be wrapped up in CHAZ and the failure of their government to protect them from extortion, assault, harassment, vandalism, theft,
Hello again, A:
Let's get this piece of work out of the way.. I believe that the OVERWHELMING number of protestors, worldwide, are peaceful.. Clearly, a tiny amount of them create havoc.
My question: Do you believe the present protest IS a riot, replete with looting, and burning, or IS it a peaceful demonstration?
My next question: Is a demonstration NOT a demonstration because SOME of the demonstrators are violent?
There are a significant number of peaceful protests. There has also been a significant number of riots. It's not tiny havoc.
When you say present protest, so you mean CHAZ? Because that's not peaceful. You don't get to fuck up my business, spray paint my walls, demand tribute and call yourself peaceful. The peaceful protesters there can keep protesting, but not in an insurrection zone that encompasses innocent non-participants. It needs to be reclaimed.
but not in an insurrection zone that encompasses innocent non-participants. It needs to be reclaimed.
When the mayor lets you have territory in his or her city, that means you work for the mayor. The left has made this exact same point in debates about people having the right to have a firearm to oppose the government, in which the left says no armed militia can stop the government in a battle.
It's about more than statues. It's about Huckleberry Finn, Gone with the Wind, and any other work that isn't woke enough by the arbitrary standards of the woke.
As for the statues, it's about more than just Confederates.
I'm a life long liberal and I hate the woke idiocy. I have a woke sister who's gone so bat shit crazy that she wants Trump to win again in order to bring down both political parties, country be damned.
My sister is an old woman of 67 years old. You should hope that every woke asshole on the planet is just like her.
The greatest danger is that Trump will be re-elected. You think another 4 years like we've had already is a good idea? If you do, call a psychiatrist and beg for Thorazine.
I see the trouble of the last 4 years differently than you do. Even so, a Trump re-election is a troublesome prospect. I don't have a positive outlook either way, but for different reasons than you I'm sure.
There is an obvious difference between statues in public spaces and the availability of privately produced literature for private consumption.
Wanting statues taken down does not necessarily constitute cancel culture either; even if the calls comes from people who practice that culture, they can still be credible calls. Statues displayed in public spaces are symbols and they represent a public commitment to whatever is symbolized.
I'm generally opposed to the display of any symbolic statuary on public grounds, as well as the public financing of their creation. It smacks of partiality and foments division, at public expense. I'd say down with them all, but I'd start with the ones most contrary to my personal values.
