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 Capitalism & Communism - Same (35)

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Capitalism & Communism - Same

Both make slaves of common people.
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6 points

No. Because in a communist country they'll send you to a gulag for saying anything critical of communism, and in the capitalist country they'll just let you be an internet troll who takes over websites with futile debates about political ideologies.

3 points

Capitalism doesn't make slaves of the common people, it permits the common people to rise to the top through merit and hard work, unlike communism. There are plenty of issues with our iteration of capitalism, however it has created the most meritocratic society in known history.

xMathFanx(1722) Clarified
1 point

@WinstonC

One issue with this lies in what is arbitrarily deemed valuable by society (often) does not necessarily align with what is most objectively insightful/useful/productive/ect. ect.

WinstonC(1225) Clarified
3 points

" what is arbitrarily deemed valuable by society (often) does not necessarily align with what is most objectively insightful/useful/productive/ect."

Does society assign arbitrary value to your labor/service/product or do you and your employer/client/customer negotiate the value of your labor/service/product?

They are not the same but both are far from the ideal centrist leadership style.

If you don’t understand our money system - here’s a hint>> it is a continuous debt cycle where a chunk goes to people who just print paper and produce nothing real. It only works because of overwhelming faith in nothing. The government does not produce our dollar - it borrows it from a gang of Jews

TzarPepe(763) Clarified
1 point

Maybe the real lesson here is that faith in government is a bad idea.

Communism is the proposed academic solution to the problem of capitalism making slaves of the common people. Hence, I do not think that you understand Communism. You are probably using the American version of the word, in which it becomes the very antithesis of Communism.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
2 points

Which countries attempted communism and did not end up with the severe inequalities that you claim characterize fascism?

EldonG(530) Clarified
1 point

Which countries actually attempted communism at all?

None, to my knowledge.

It's like, "let's try an economic system that is utterly predestined to fail!"

Marxism is socialist based, not communist...no matter how people try and spin it.

1 point

I do not think that you understand Communism

Sure we do. Stalin. Mao. Kim Jong Un. Venezuela. It's a lie to obtain omnipotent power and social control. A lie that no group or government ever intends to actually come through on. It's like the cheese on the mousetrap. The offer of free food...then snap! Trapped like a mouse with your brains splattered through your skull. It's how you get the people to actually volunteer to put the shock collars on themselves like blind lemmings walking in lines mindlessly straight off the cliff.

EldonG(530) Disputed
1 point

Wow, the indoctrination is deep in you. I've heard that simple minds are fertile territory for bullshit.

Likely.

What you continue to call communism is actually fascism, and has nothing to do with economic theory.

1 point

There's a difference between capitalism and communism, because in communism they want to act like they're all equal, but as we've all seen, Stalin has eventually killed millions of people. Capitalism, in contrast, is a more fair thing, because then you've got a higher leader, who will make decisions for you, and you'll still be treated in a rightful way. Isn't that what we want?

1 point

Are you a progressive as well?........................................................................................................

Both extremes eventually peak out with a small percentage living very well off the sweat of the majority. If you study National Socialism, it used the best parts of both ends. It still allows people to be successful and feel motivation to invent and produce. And it culled the Jew currency system that is really a paper slavery.

EldonG(530) Disputed
4 points

Ah, no. People fail miserably on understanding what communism is. The biggest problem with actual communism is nobody rises, and thus nobody can live off the sweat of the majority. In communism, everybody owns everything, and contributes as they can.

Actual communism's failure occurs when people decide they want to own things, or not contribute...and that's not communism.

In other words, since it's not at all psychologically rewarding to work for someone else's benefit without getting anything yourself, Communism cannot work if humans are in it because humans defy the very work ethic required for it and thus it is defunct for humanity to strive for it.

1 point

In communism, everybody owns everything, and contributes as they can

And yet no Communist countries on planet Earth work this way in real life because it's a fairytale and incredibly unfair if you're willing to work to have more. It's a utopia if you want nothing and don't want to work. It's a dystopia if you do want something and are willing to work for it.

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and that's not communism

You're right. Let's ask the cat what Communism is.

Meow.

Mao.

Mao.

Mao.

Mao....

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Are you a socialist?.....................................................................................