Capitalists Love To Pretend Socialism Is The Same Thing As State Capitalism.
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When Fascists and Communists take over a country and take control of the manufacturing community (because they CAN!), they say "We are now socialists! They can't, in any case, say they are capitalists when they have just taken away capitalism, now, can they?? However, if a democratic government allows "mostly free" capitalism, allows the private ownership of manufacturing, but keeping it under reasonable "societal general rule" (i.e., not allowing capitalists to rip off the people OR control the "peoples government"), that's democratic socialism, NOT "state socialism" (fascism, communism). BIG difference! Side: Yup
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When Fascists and Communists take over a country and take control of the manufacturing community Alfie brother. Communism is a theory about giving control of the manufacturing community to the workers. If the government takes control of the manufacturing community then that is called state capitalism. The point of the thread is to try to make people understand the pervasive myths which exist about Communism. These myths are ingrained into the western psyche. Whoever wins a war gets to rewrite history, and there is no doubt that the Americans won the war against Communism. Side: But Mah Narrative
I don't want the government to TAKE control of the manufacturing community, but, if the government (of, by and FOR the people), does not control capitalism ENOUGH, capitalism WILL control the government. (Follow the money). THAT is what has happened, mostly since Reagan and exploded under the conservative Congress, Senate and SCOTUS …. and punctuated by Trump. WE NEED to CONTROL runaway capitalism, i.e. Big Pharma and Wall Street, ENOUGH to keep them from swallowing up democracy! We may have won the war against communism, but NOT against the communist hierarchy. THEY are still trying to destroy democracy. Side: Yup
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However, if a democratic government allows "mostly free" capitalism, allows the private ownership of manufacturing, but keeping it under reasonable "societal general rule" (i.e., not allowing capitalists to rip off the people OR control the "peoples government"), that's democratic socialism, NOT "state socialism" (fascism, communism). BIG difference! Why is it that you refuse to accept the proper definitions of things? Democratic socialism is socialism, there is no capitalism at all involved. What you are describing is social democracy BY DEFINITION so why don't you educate yourself or shut your retarded face. Communism is not "state socialism", social democracy is state socialism. Fascism is not a form of socialism and is the precise opposite of communism. Side: But Mah Narrative
I refuse to accept YOUR "proper definitions" because, whatever YOU choose to call what I stand up for, it's NOT what YOU say it is. Definitions aside, I've explained what I would like to see and it doesn't seem to resemble what YOU want to see. Last week what you wanted to see was kind of "unexplainable", at least MINE is! I did NOT say fascism and communism were the same, I said they USED socialism …. as does democracy. I like the way we HAVE been using it! Again. Please explain just what the FUCK YOU think is "better"!?? Side: Yup
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It is pretty amazing what people can be convinced of if you tell them they are really smart for believing your absurd pack of lies, and everyone else is just jealous. I think this probably is the result of some weird psychological effect, where it reminds people of their mothers. Side: But Mah Narrative
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/ About 44% of UK exports in goods and services went to other countries in the EU in 2017—£274 billion out of £616 billion total exports. Capitalism does not there in the UK ????????? This statistic shows the 30 largest export commodities of the United Kingdom (UK) in 2017. This ranges from machinery and pharmaceutical products to paper, textile and crude materials. Mechanical machinery was the most valuable commodity with exports being worth 48.5 billion British pounds. https://www.statista.com/statistics/ Are you as stupid as you seem to be ????????? Side: Yup
Technically the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the western European country typically called the United Kingdom shipped US$445 billion worth of goods around the globe in 2017. That dollar amount reflects a -18.8% setback since 2013 but an 8.1% uptick from one year earlier in 2016. From January to September 2018, UK’s exported goods were valued at $368.7 billion. This 9-month metric puts UK exports on track for an annualized $491.6 billion estimated for all 2018. http://www.worldstopexports.com/ Side: Yup
https://www.bbc.com/news/ Total goods exports from the UK to Saudi Arabia in 2017 were worth about £4.2 billion, an increase of 120% compared with ten years earlier. Goods imports from Saudi Arabia were worth £2.4 billion (also more than double the figure for ten years earlier). So the UK had a surplus of £1.8 billion in goods trade. The top UK export categories were various types of machinery, aircraft, arms and vehicles, including £280 million of cars. Side: Yup
https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/ About 44% of UK exports in goods and services went to other countries in the EU in 2017—£274 billion out of £616 billion total exports. Capitalism does not there in the UK ????????? This statistic shows the 30 largest export commodities of the United Kingdom (UK) in 2017. This ranges from machinery and pharmaceutical products to paper, textile and crude materials. Mechanical machinery was the most valuable commodity with exports being worth 48.5 billion British pounds. https://www.statista.com/statistics/ Are you as stupid as you seem to be ?????????? Side: Yup
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