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Causing children to use guns is a crime

I saw a closed debate with this title. Thought I'd open it up.

Yeah

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Um, no it's not

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Causing children to use guns is a crime

Hello A:

I don't quite understand "cause" in this context. But, no matter how you interpret it, it isn't a crime. It may not be good parenting, but that's not the question.

If "cause" means allowing children, at ANY age to shoot a gun, it isn't a good idea. 3 year olds don't quite understand the permanence of death. But, I would support a law that specifies a minimum age somewhere over 3. Maybe way over 3.

I was raised in the west and it wasn't unusual at all for me to shoot. When I was 7, I won a Daisy BB gun in a drawing. I plunked at tin cans. At 10, I had a .22, and plunked at NRA targets. With all that plunking, I became a crack shot, and won a Distinguished Rifle medal years later in the Navy.

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PS> Hey nomshit, or developing, or juice fuck.. Come on down! You ainĀ“t hiding from nobody.

Side: Yeah
TheJuice(17) Disputed
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I would support a law that specifies a minimum age somewhere over 3

Yes, that's exactly what America needs. Pre-schoolers armed with rifles. Good call. I can see you're a smart one.

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Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Yeah. He probably has carcasses in a woodshop or something.

Side: Yeah
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IMO the American gun culture has reached epic levels of stupidity. Anytime there's a shooting, instead of wanting to disarm the shooter, the main idea seems to be to arm everybody else.

Side: Yeah
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Is it a crime to cause children to use a gun ?

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TheJuice(17) Disputed
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I don't really understand your question. What do you mean by "cause"? If you're asking if I think I'm at fault if I call a kid fat and he shoots me in the face, then no. If I'm murdering his friend and I catch a bullet, then sure.

There's a big problem in life when we start holding other people responsible for our own decisions. I believe that children should hold diminished levels of responsibility for their decisions in comparison to adults, but that's not to say I approve of children shooting people for trivial reasons.

Side: Yeah
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This one is a simple mathematical equation.

The more guns there are in circulation the higher the instances of willful and accidental shootings, many of which will result in death.

Responsible parents will know that it is dangerous to let children play with matches and criminally negligent to permit them to have access to firearms.

Those who have guns and young children in their homes should unload their weapons and keep them under lock and key, the children that is.

Side: Yeah
Amarel(5669) Clarified
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I played with matches quite a bit too. .

Side: Yeah
Norwich(1424) Disputed
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Well, being allowed to play with matches as a child would be commensurate with the irresponsible parenthood we would expect from a brain damaged diseased whore who still hasn't figured out who your da is.

''Now son, there's a box of matches, go and play with those on the Freeway''.

Side: Um, no it's not
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It is a crime to enslave child soldiers. That's an absolute fact. You wonder why I have closed debates? Because it is to prevent snowflakes from spreading lies. Sucks for them.

Side: Yeah
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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When my daughter is old enough, while still a child, I will certainly cause her to use a gun.

Side: Um, no it's not
Comet(11) Disputed
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When my daughter is old enough, while still a child, I will certainly cause her to use a gun.

Which will statistically increase her chances of committing suicide by 300 percent.

Side: Yeah
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Oh, well isn't that just lovely. Clearly, you had that little closed debate therapy session because you were too cowardly to respond to me.

Well, for everyone's benefit: the comment that got Dr_Batman's panties so twisted he had to go and start a private debate with someone else, rather than face legitimate criticism. Hope y'all enjoy:

Children and guns do not mix. Ever.

Clearly, you've never met some of these kids. In our circles, we don't child-proof the guns, we gun-proof the children. Then when they get a little older, some of them can outshoot the Terminator. Think about it this way: if a parent is willing to drop $1,500 on an entry level race pistol and ammunition, they're probably teaching the kid to use it right. My daughter knew the 4 firearms safety rules better than most cops at the age of 3. There's one kid we build guns for who can put 5 bullets on 3 targets in less than a second on the shot timer.

Child soldiering is a crime.

Great news; I don't do that. Soldiering and shooting are completely separate disciplines, despite both requiring the use of firearms. Seeing me teach my 4 year old to safely and properly use a 10/22 to plink steel targets and calling it soldiering is like seeing me take her out for ice cream afterward and calling it heroin abuse just because both activities require the use of a spoon. Or, if you prefer to think of shooting as a subset skill, part of the building blocks of effective soldiering, first of all let me remind you that the United States government is really bad at teaching people to shoot, and most soldiers either don't shoot or barely qualify. Second, I'd then be just as guilty of "child soldiering" for so much as teaching them to fold their laundry, which is probably what we spent more time on in boot camp than anything else. Discipline and competence with firearms as well as folding laundry, sewing, teamwork, etc, are not only necessary skills of soldiering, they're necessary skills of life. In fact, there's quite a bit of overlap in skillsets between the two.

I don't know if you're just trying to be an antagonistic dickhead like me. More power to you, if you are. But if you take any of this seriously, I suggest that you go take a long look in the mirror, and ask yourself if you're actually retarded.

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AstralPlane(34) Disputed Banned
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Seeing me teach my 4 year old to safely and properly use a 10/22 to plink steel targets and calling it soldiering is like seeing me take her out for ice cream afterward and calling it heroin abuse

Lol. Pretending there's a "safe and proper" way to give a gun to a 4 year old child is like saying there's a safe and proper way to sprinkle anthrax onto your cornflakes. What is actually wrong with you? I mean, apart from being ginger that is.

Side: Um, no it's not
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Side: Yeah
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Mornin', fuckers! Nobody invited me?

Allow me to provide a bit of context. Yes, last Christmas I bought my 3 year old daughter a Ruger 10/22 Charger. Why and how did I do that?

I did it because I want to raise her to understand violence. Plain and simple. I want her to not be a victim. Part of that- a small part- is proficiency with firearms. So why not a BB gun, I hear you asking? Great question, there are a few good reasons. One, we had spent the last few months drilling Jeff Cooper's 4 firearm safety rules. Putting it into practice was the logical next step, and I think it's a sound theory that a bit of noise and recoil helps drive the point home that this is not a toy. Doesn't hurt either for her to see impacts on soft targets, like apples. She'll get a BB gun when I can trust her to go out into the woods and shoot with less direct supervision. Second, it's a 10/22. Aftermarket support is higher for that gun than any other rimfire rifle in the world, and it's configurable in just about any way you like. In other words, it's not something you outgrow; she'll be able to use that thing for the rest of her life. And for the rest of her life, if I do my job right, she'll have the habits to use it safely and efficiently.

Which leaves, how? How do you have a 3 year old safely use a firearm? Well, apart from a few helpful features like a benchrest, bipod, red dot optic and a lot of patience, it's really simple: first you teach them the rules, drill it into them until they know them better than most cops. Bribing them with gummy bears works wonders here. Second, when they get the gun in their hands, you don't give them the chance to be unsafe with it. You stay right behind them, correcting bad habits as they come up- making sure the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction and guiding it where necessary, keeping little fingers off of triggers, handing them ammunition only as needed, and making sure that they don't panic when they fire off their first shots. Third, is to demystify the whole subject. She knows she can come up to me and ask to look inside of the gun safe. We'll open it up, and she'll ask to look at a few different guns until she gets bored. That, in and of itself, is another great chance to teach safe handling.

So, ladies and whatevers: as I've said before, kids should be taught in the use of firearms from the time that they're physically able to hold one and mentally able to follow instructions. I've outlined how and why. Mainly to piss people off. And while I keep returning here because I apparently fall asleep to the incoherent screeching of retards, I don't give an actual fuck what any of you think about that, especially if you intentionally don't know a goddamn thing about weapons or violence.

Also, there's the whole thing about how I build custom guns. Sometimes, I'm well aware that it's for someone's kid. If someone is willing to spend $1,500 on a pistol for their kid, it's a fair bet that the kid is well trained and has demonstrated good judgement and discipline. I sleep like a log the moment I hit the mattress.

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Are you fucking serious!? Red dot? !

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Sure. We'll get into teaching proper sight picture soon enough, but in the meantime, she can barely hit anything even with the optic. It's a cheap Holosun, nothing special.

Got that shit for free, though. Perks of working in the business.

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Um, obviously. .

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I was taught to shoot a gun as a young kid. Later in life, two men tried to rob my home. Out of the three of us, I lived. The cops looked around, asked me what happened, and I was the only witness, so it my word against well, no one's. Any questions?

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Amarel(5669) Disputed
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You're not the one who claimed you shit the guy who got in your face while you were in a wheelchair, are you?

The home invasion would be a burglary, not a robbery

Side: Yeah
BrontoLite(759) Disputed
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Don't need legs to work a firearm or be a marksman. And on that note, don't enter the home of someone who is. They'll win. And at this point, years later, they'll never make it to the house. I've made sure of that. They won't make it past the fence much less to the open field. And if they somehow did by pure luck, they wouldn't make it across the field. And if somehow they were to catch lightning in a bottle twice, either the dogs will kill them, or they might grab a door knob that wouldn't be advised to grab. I'd tell you more specifics, but some things may or may not be legal. Nevertheless, no cops will be involved for anyone to have to decide. Let's call it the law of the jungle. If someone hypothetically wandered onto a large, hypothetical piece of property and hypothetically disappeared, I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, sometimes people just vanish, and the community never knows why. In this hypothetical situation, the community wouldn't care even if they did know why. The hills have eyes they say because they do.

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