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 Censorship? (7)

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Censorship?

Please tell me what you think about this photo of a collection of time magazines.

http://imgur.com/gallery/W2Y5u

BTW the magazines were all released at exactly the same time, check it out for yourself if you don't beleive me.

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3 points

I wouldn't say it's censorship exactly.

Time magazine just recognizes that Americans are stupider and therefore care about stupider things then the rest of the world.

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At the very least it shows that Time is smart enough to not go against what is thought of as a significant portion of american's world views.

The line between censorship and appealing to world views can be a thin one.

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I would only call it censorship if the actual contents of the magazine are different. I get the impression that while the cover is different, but that the actual stories are unchanged and all there.

If I am right, it is marketing, not censorship.

garry77777(1796) Disputed
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Ive read the US and European versions of the magazine i can tell you the general flavour is quite different.

Judging by the covers of those magazines i would say there content was drastically different, but never judge a book....blah, blah, blah.

I have to agree with what casper3912 said, at what point does marketing and censorship become indistinguishable?

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As I said, if the content is different, then that's a whole another ballgame entirely. And given the way American media has been over the past decade or two, I wouldn't put it past them. I fully accuse the media in my country of fostering some of the more detrimental views and conflicts appearing in public discourse.

I have to agree with what casper3912 said, at what point does marketing and censorship become indistinguishable?

Well actually, he specified the line between censorship and (appalling) world views, which does beget an interesting discussion. Ultimately it would depend on if the world views in question include censorship, which many do.

As far as marketing and censorship, ostensibly it would be a line demarcating intent. In marketing, the role of "censorship" is more of a matter of giving people a product they want to buy, as opposed to truly withholding info for other forms of control. The end result might be effectively indistinguishable, but with marketing it could be argued to be akin to self-imposed censorship on the part of the readership.

Not like that is any better though.

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Articles are just sometimes different in covers, depending on the audience.

It is not censorship.

Hell, Europe has stricter speech codes (in general) than the United States when it comes to media. All the US has is FCC, which is about decency bullshit and NOT actual politics or beliefs.

But yes, ONLY find the covers, on Tumblr, that help try to paint the US as a boogeyman who is trying to brainwash their citizens... lulz.

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garry77777(1796) Disputed
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"It is not censorship."

I simply can't comprehend how you are completely and totally unwilling to ever even suspect foul play.

I not saying that TIME conspired to keep the real truth hidden from US citizens, that is ridiculous, what im saying is that the limits of debate in your country have been establihsed by the elites, they determine what information is circulated in the mainstream, and how mainstream thought evolve's.

As George Carlin said; " they've got ya by the balls"

Or a more articulate elaboration from Chomsky: ""the beauty of [concision] is that you can only repeat conventional thoughts". If you repeat conventional thoughts, you require zero evidence, like saying Osama Bin Laden is a bad guy, no evidence is required. However, if you say something that is true, although not a conventional truth, like the United States attacked South Vietnam, people are going to rightfully want evidence, and a whole lot of it as they should. The format of the shows do not allow this type of evidence which is one of the reasons concision is critical. He's continued that if the media were better propagandists they would let dissidents on more because the time restraint would stop them properly explaining their radical views and they 'would sound like they were from Neptune.'" For this reason, Chomsky rejects many offers to appear on TV, preferring the written medium.

I mean when Fox intentionally committed media fraud against Ron Paul you couldn't wait to jump to their defense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mNbwwZ4qs

http://rt.com/usa/news/fox-paul-debate-poll-257/

The fact that the greatest writer in the world on middle eastern affairs Robert Fisk is excluded from american discourse again doesn't trouble you, even though thats where most of your foreign forces are concentrated.

The fact that you are never willing to even to contemplate the idea that these things are not accidents is quite astonishing.

"Hell, Europe has stricter speech codes (in general) than the United States when it comes to media"

So you think your corporate controlled media is freer than European media, wow, how's that subscription to the the flat earth society working out?

"But yes, ONLY find the covers, on Tumblr, that help try to paint the US as a boogeyman who is trying to brainwash their citizens... lulz."

I simple can't understand how you are so incredibly oblivious to the reality of the media in your own country, to be honest i think there is an element of doublethink at play here. You've clearly rationalised the many discrepancies to yourself in one way or another so its a pointless endeavour to try to convince you otherwise.

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