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do things "the right way" do whatever it takes to win
Debate Score:34
Total Votes:42
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Champions and dirty play: champions should...

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do things "the right way"

Side Score: 20

do whatever it takes to win

Side Score: 14
4 points

The Pats, in particular, make me sick. In case you don't know the back story, here it is:

Four days after the Patriots were caught illegally videotaping the signals of Jets coaches in the Sept. 9, 2007, season opener, the NFL came down with its ruling against the club: the forfeiture of a 2008 first-round draft choice, a $500,000 fine for coach Bill Belichick, and a $250,000 fine for the club. The decision, as noted by the NFL at the time, was based on a rule regarding the taping of offensive and defensive signals.

Stealing signals like in baseball is one thing but using sophisticated surveillance equipment is completely different. Its cheating.

When a champion (or championship team) cheats to win, it compromises the integrity of the entire sport and oftentimes cast a long shadow over some of the sport's most vaunted heroes.

One more thing (even though I know this is going to kill the integrity of my argument), I still haven't forgiven the Patriots for beating the Eagles in Superbowl XXXIX. I bet you they stole signals to win.

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2 points

That's just loudacris! I won money on those games ;)

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2 points

There are two types of competitions, those with rules and those without rules. If the competition has no rules, there can be no cheating.

However, if the competition has rules, the purpose of the competition is to see who can win by those rules.

If I use a trick deck to beat the world's greatest poker players, does that make me the world's best poker player? No, I pretty much suck at poker.

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2 points

i think this can be applied to the current democratic primary... lol... i mean you have one person claiming to campaign and start doing things "the right way"... and you have another who lies and does "whatever it takes" and is CONTINUING to do whatever it takes to get the nomination... the democratic party be damned... now, which do you think is better? come on... it's got to be the right way... sports or politics, if they continue to be won with dirty tactics, both will continue to lose respect...

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If you do not do things the right way, then it is spelled,

C H E A T E R.

If you do things the right way, then it is spelled, C H A M P I O N.

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0 points

Where does "do whatever it takes to win" lead?

Performance-enhancing drugs, stealing other teams' signals -- been there, done that. Where do we draw the line? Shall we allow athletes to carry weapons and shoot opponents if they are about to score?

There must be some mutually-accepted rules for athletes, otherwise the game disintegrates into chaos and there isn't anything left to be champion of.

Side: do things "the right way"
5 points

cham·pi·on Audio Help /ˈtʃæmpiən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[cham-pee-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation


1. a person who has defeated all opponents in a competition or series of competitions, so as to hold first place

A champion is simply a victor by definition, so if they win by any means they are still a champion.

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3 points

I don't think the issue was whether or not they would still be considered champions, but either way, it seems nowadays the best athletes cheat or play dirty, so I'm not sure how I feel about this, but maybe it is the only way to go.


Barry Bonds - Greatest Batter of all time...maybe

Roger Clemens - Greatest pitcher of our era

Marion Jones - Greatest female Olympian ever

Floyd Lands - Winner, Tour de France

Patriots - Best NFL team of the decade

Spain paralympic team - Won gold in basketball (w/ 10 players that had no disabilities)..not sure what year

I realize it says dirty play, but I think cheating is even dirtier than a Bruce bowen least he doesn't hide it!--not to say he doesn't try ;)

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StolenFED(80) Disputed
2 points

I agree with the fact that it's dirty and unsportsmanlike. However staying true to the actual definition of what a champion is, cheating is irrelevant. I'm taking this very literally.

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1 point

In this era of "win at all costs" and no respect for the game or respect for what's right, I think that every team needs to think of it as "win at all costs". After all, today's sentiment seems to be "if you're not cheating, you're not trying"

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The coaches torment the players to win, so, sometimes champions have to do whatever it takes to win.

Side: do whatever it takes to win