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Christianity and freedom of choice.
Without the freedom to choose or reject God and to personally distinguish between right and wrong we'd all be mindless robots. God has created us to be free spirits that wishes us to use the powers of reasoning with which he has endowed us.
Based on the premise that the Democrats place anti-American groups ahead of W.A.S.P.S., it is most likely that Muslims do support the party from which they will receive preferential treatment.
There is no accommodation for those with a deviant sexual orientation within the religion of Islam so you should be ashamed for asking such an embarrassing question.
Democrat do your Muslim friends support the LGBTQ crowd and how many of your friends with the LGBTQ crowd go to a mosque for gay marriage ceremonies to be preformed.
God gave us a very advanced brain. God gave us the ability to end our own suffering. God gave us the ability to EVOLVE to a Post Human level. But we must do it ourselves. We’re on our own with these gifts
I don't know about that. At least, if he did give us a very advanced brain, he also made sure people lacked the reason required to use it for the right things.
Whether and who tgo worship, is between you, and God. He gave humans and angels free will, and I love you no matter who you are. All I I ask is to be able to likewise choose to be a Christian, because I love Jesus. I promise not to be forceful, and happen to be pretty progressive.
Nonsense. The bible says that God is all knowing, all powerful, and ever present. If that is the case, then God knew every event that would ever happen in every universe he did or didn't decide to create. Which means, before creating our universe, he already knew its end. And still, he created it. He created it with full knowledge of everything that would happen. That is predeterminism. That negates free choice entirely.
If we accept the Christian God as being all powerful, all knowing, and ever present, then free choice is an illusion.
God created Earth with the knowledge that some people would choose a moral life with help from God, and others would choose their own selfish lifestyles, even sacrificing innocent living human lives for sake of convenience.
Yes, he knew the future of all people. He knew which ones would choose Heaven and which ones would not. He did not make them decide a certain way, he just knew what their choices would be.
This does not mean we have no free choice. It means God already knows what our choices will be.
"God created Earth knowing which humans would be in heaven and which in hell. He knew all futures and all outcomes. But he did not make humans decide a certain way to go to hell or heaven, even though he created them knowing, before creation, where they would go".
That is dog-shit anti-logic.
If God knew the exact number of his creations that would burn at his own hand for eternity, even before creating them, then God literally created people just so the majority could go to hell and live in eternal torment.
You are the typical anti Christian Bigot that deserves to live in some Godless dictatorship and find out what a nation without God's humanity will do to it's people.
So in all your ludicrous logic, God should have denied millions of people eternity in Heaven because there would be more evil people who will end up in Hell?
GREAT LOGIC! That's the logic of inhuman abortion supporters who say they believe some children will have hard lives, so lets kill them now!
Godless dictatorship? lol I've lived in mainland Europe. Netherlands and Germany, where most people are irreligious. It is paradise compared to the States.
Christianity helped shape Europes value system. You have NO CLUE the humanity you enjoy thanks to the tenets of Christianity.
"helped shape" and "created" are two very different things. Christianity existed for almost 2000 years without creating what you call "Europe's value system" and there were just as many atheists, deists and various others who helped shape it.
Actually, most of the values we take as normal now: democracy, common law, the rights of the child, anti-slavery legislation, the abolition of monarchies etc. These were not brought about by Christians. Quite the contrary. During the postclassical era it was a devolution into religiosity that precipitated social and moral ruin for most people.
Lol what a non-argument. Terrible debater. I don't even know why you want to be on a debate site, when you can't form a coherent and rational argument and just make accusations, ignore peoples' views and ascribe views to them that they don't believe in, and just generally SHOUT.
You would be more suited in an indoctrination camp.
Societies with Christian leadership and Christianity based laws have historically oppressed those who do not identify as Christian, and also those who do not identify as the right "brand" of Christian. This is not a lie. It is a historical fact.
Secular societies, by comparison, tend to be far more free and successful. The only countries that are now total theocracies (completely undemocratic and all power being centralized in terms of religiosity) are Yemen, Saudi, Afghanistan and Sudan. Three of those, you wouldn't want to step foot into, for fear of being killed or caught in a bombing. The other, Saudi, is so socially backwards that it would sicken you to spend more than a few days there.
LOL, the nations you mentioned are ALL MUSLIM and you sit here judging Christianty? Typical anti Christian bigot, but never saying a word against Islam!
Just be honest, you are another person in love with this LGBT hysteris and hate Christianity because it does not deny the Science of Biology.
They are, yes. And historically, many more have been Christian. My point is, religion -- Islamic or Christian -- as a political system of control, almost never breeds desirable results. Secularism, on the other hand, seems to do so far more frequently.
So you are saying the grand "ol Secular USA you support and love so much, is less civilized and economically and socially successful than say ancient Israel?
HOGWOSH!
Ancient Israel killed Jeebus, sure ...
If Jeebus has been born in modern Netherlands, he wouldn't even have gotten arrested for preaching "feed the homeless" and "love the needy". In fact he probably would have become their Prime Minister. Maybe won a few elections. Socialized a few people.
Maybe Jeebus wouldn't even have been persecuted if he lived in the modern good 'ol USA .. unless he was Middle Eastern of course (which he was) .. and Brown (which we was) .. and spoke some foreign Aramaic language (which he did) ... and believed in some radical form of collective charity (which he did) ... and preached resistance toward the status quo for the benefit of the poor (which he did) ... and was an emigre from his own country (which he was)
Ooopsies ...
Jesus, if we take him by your assessments of the planet and its people nowadays, is a modern day commie brown-skinned middle-eastern revolutionary immigrant heretic :/
Maybe Jeebus wouldn't even have been persecuted if he lived in the modern good 'ol USA .. unless he was Middle Eastern of course (which he was) .. and Brown (which we was) .. and spoke some foreign Aramaic language (which he did) ... and believed in some radical form of collective charity (which he did) ... and preached resistance toward the status quo for the benefit of the poor (which he did) ... and was an emigre from his own country (which he was)
Disagreement. Jesus did not force me to submit to Him, He just answered my question why He should be my Lord, and I consented. My Christianity is consensual, and as pissed off as I have gotten with the Almighty, He will never be replaced as my number one Love. When others have left me, the Lord stayed true.
I still don't see it. What's rude about it? That I challenged your belief in God? That I observed that you reduced a universal perspective to a human one?
Is there some subtext that I am missing here? Do you feel offended when people take inferences from your arguments?
What was snobby about it? This is a debate site, where we weigh arguments on the accuracy of their content. I'm not quite sure how stating that it would be difficult to debate with you because you are reducing things to an unsuitable level is snobbish.
But, I certainly don't mean to come across snobbish.
Perhaps you'd like to respond to the content of what I said though? Particularly the portion I framed as a question, regarding the nature of "God", should we assume he has unlimited foresight, knowledge and power.
Without the freedom to choose or reject God and to personally distinguish between right and wrong we'd all be mindless robots.
I think your argument here is generic (i.e. it applies to choice generally) and you are trying to apply it to God specifically because of a personal bias.
