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33
God let's us decide. No choice.
Debate Score:54
Arguments:59
Total Votes:64
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 God let's us decide. (19)
 
 No choice. (24)

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Christianity and freedom of choice.

Without the freedom to choose or reject God and to personally distinguish between right and wrong we'd all be mindless robots. God has created us to be free spirits that wishes us to use the powers of reasoning with which he has endowed us. 

God let's us decide.

Side Score: 21
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No choice.

Side Score: 33
1 point

We must be free to choose our deeds and the way we live our lives.

We must also be free to accept responsibility for the consequences of our actions and choosen lifestyles.

Side: God let's us decide.
seanB(883) Disputed
2 points

If God knows all, sees all, and has power over all, then any universe he creates, he already knows the outcome of. Thus, all is predetermined.

Side: No choice.
Chinaman(1273) Clarified
1 point

Do you use this knowledge when referring to Muslims.

"If God knows all, sees all, and has power over all, then any universe he creates, he already knows the outcome of. Thus, all is predetermined."

Side: God let's us decide.
1 point

Do the Muslims support the Democrats and their LGBTQ crowd.

Side: God let's us decide.
Saltal(104) Clarified
1 point

Based on the premise that the Democrats place anti-American groups ahead of W.A.S.P.S., it is most likely that Muslims do support the party from which they will receive preferential treatment.

There is no accommodation for those with a deviant sexual orientation within the religion of Islam so you should be ashamed for asking such an embarrassing question.

Side: God let's us decide.
Chinaman(1273) Clarified
1 point

Based on the premise do Muslims preform Gay Marriages in a Mosque.

Side: God let's us decide.

God gave us a very advanced brain. God gave us the ability to end our own suffering. God gave us the ability to EVOLVE to a Post Human level. But we must do it ourselves. We’re on our own with these gifts

Side: God let's us decide.
1 point

God gave us a very advanced brain.

I don't know about that. At least, if he did give us a very advanced brain, he also made sure people lacked the reason required to use it for the right things.

Side: No choice.
1 point

Whether and who tgo worship, is between you, and God. He gave humans and angels free will, and I love you no matter who you are. All I I ask is to be able to likewise choose to be a Christian, because I love Jesus. I promise not to be forceful, and happen to be pretty progressive.

Side: God let's us decide.
2 points

Nonsense. The bible says that God is all knowing, all powerful, and ever present. If that is the case, then God knew every event that would ever happen in every universe he did or didn't decide to create. Which means, before creating our universe, he already knew its end. And still, he created it. He created it with full knowledge of everything that would happen. That is predeterminism. That negates free choice entirely.

If we accept the Christian God as being all powerful, all knowing, and ever present, then free choice is an illusion.

Side: No choice.
FromWithin(7985) Disputed
1 point

God created Earth with the knowledge that some people would choose a moral life with help from God, and others would choose their own selfish lifestyles, even sacrificing innocent living human lives for sake of convenience.

Yes, he knew the future of all people. He knew which ones would choose Heaven and which ones would not. He did not make them decide a certain way, he just knew what their choices would be.

This does not mean we have no free choice. It means God already knows what our choices will be.

Side: God let's us decide.
seanB(883) Disputed
2 points

What you have said here is:

"God created Earth knowing which humans would be in heaven and which in hell. He knew all futures and all outcomes. But he did not make humans decide a certain way to go to hell or heaven, even though he created them knowing, before creation, where they would go".

That is dog-shit anti-logic.

If God knew the exact number of his creations that would burn at his own hand for eternity, even before creating them, then God literally created people just so the majority could go to hell and live in eternal torment.

That makes God a cunt.

Side: No choice.
Redeemed(1175) Disputed
1 point

Disagreement. Jesus did not force me to submit to Him, He just answered my question why He should be my Lord, and I consented. My Christianity is consensual, and as pissed off as I have gotten with the Almighty, He will never be replaced as my number one Love. When others have left me, the Lord stayed true.

Side: God let's us decide.
seanB(883) Disputed
0 points

You have reduced a Gestalt to a behaviourism; a universal perspective to a human one. This is why it is so nearly impossible to debate with you.

Do you understand what I mean when I say: if God created a universe knowing all its outcomes, then he chose its outcomes before he created it?

Side: No choice.
Chinaman(1273) Clarified
0 points

Does the Leftist oppose the Muslim religion known as the Religion of Islam

Side: God let's us decide.
1 point

When considered deeply we realize there is little to choose from, so its best that our destinies are predetermined by another entity.

Side: No choice.
bluealiengod(23) Clarified
2 points

When considered deeply we realize there is little to choose from, so its best that our destinies are predetermined by another entity.

I don't see your logic here.

Side: God let's us decide.
Chinaman(1273) Clarified
1 point

Does the Religion of Islam support the LGBTQ.

If there is some logic there then explain why.

Side: God let's us decide.

Since reason does not lead one to christianity, it doesn't make much sense for God to give us free will so that we can reason it out for ourselves.

Side: No choice.
Saltal(104) Clarified
1 point

That's you exercising your freedom of choice to express your opinion.

It is a sound opinion but may need to be expanded upon.

Side: God let's us decide.
bluealiengod(23) Clarified
1 point

It is a sound opinion but may need to be expanded upon.

If God is real, will he send me to the eternal fire for having a sound, well reasoned opinion and doing my best to get the right answer, but coming up with one that doesn't happen to include him (and would have no logical basis for including him) ? If so, then God is a douche bag and I don't support him even if he's real.

Many unintelligent people believe in christianity simply because they were raised to, or exposed to it at a vulnerable time etc. There is no "choice" for those who are manipulated and not capable of reason. Likewise, there are those who are more christlike than most actual christians, but do not believe. Will douche bag God roast them because their free will and reason lead them elsewhere?

Side: God let's us decide.

Without the freedom to choose or reject God and to personally distinguish between right and wrong we'd all be mindless robots.

I think your argument here is generic (i.e. it applies to choice generally) and you are trying to apply it to God specifically because of a personal bias.

Side: No choice.