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Christians, a question for you
How do you deal with errors in the Bible?
Noah's flood couldn't have happened. A wooden boat that big would leak and sink, it would be far too difficult to gather every species of animal and feed them, and there is no evidence for the flood.
How do you acknowledge that? Do you ignore it? Do you believe it anyways, even though it's physically impossible?
Do you just read over it and pretend I didn't say it? Just claim it was a story that only had a symbolic meaning, despite the fact that people were taught that it was literally true for most of Christianity and Judaism's lifetime?
The bible wasn't written by God. It was written by humans, and inspired by God.
Humans make mistake, even 2000 years ago. That's why there are errors in the bible. For instance, in the bible there are several men quoting other men, before the man who said it first was even born. That clearly doesn't make sense.
Noah's flood couldn't have happened. A wooden boat that big would leak and sink, it would be far too difficult to gather every species of animal and feed them, and there is no evidence for the flood.
Yes there is evidence on the flood.
On history channel there was a documentary about that flood.
Somewhere in Asia, they did some digging. I think they wanted to built something.
And when they we're several foots down in the earth, the earth became muddy.
That is a proof of, that there once was a very big flood, but if it was Noah's flood, no one can know. Just that there once was a flood, a long time ago.
And the thing with Christians. We believe in miracles. I believe, that if God is able to do anything, he is also able to keep a ship, with all the animals on the earth, from sinking.
Also where you say 'there is no evidence' You also have no evidence of that it never happened. That's why we keep believing. When you prove to us, that there is absolutely no chance at all, that the God we believe isn't real, then I think most of the people will become atheists.
But you can't, or you haven't done it yet.
How do you acknowledge that? Do you ignore it? Do you believe it anyways, even though it's physically impossible?
Physically impossible?? We believe in a God that is able to do anything. Nothing is physically impossible with God.
And I don't understand what you mean with your "Prove it wrong or I'll keep believing."
That's fine if you wish to do that, but then stop posting it on here.
If you want to debate, then have valid points. Don't tell us over and over that you believe no matter what.
If there's no evidence, the reasonable thing to do is not believe it.
Now, normally, like with the Santa thing, it doesn't harm people. Good children get presents, naughty children don't. They don't get hell, they simple don't gain something from nothing like good children do.
Now the problem with RELIGION. Is that it isn't just a happy belief that makes a person do good things.
It makes a person do things, and labels them good.
And you claim to not believe in Hell, and it proves you don't even care what you believe in.
You made up your religion with no basis in fact or in Biblical text.
Jesus DOES speak of a hell. Jesus made claims of those who do not believe to be damned into hell.
I don't understand what you're saying. That is completely different.
I require proof to believe something. Without proof, I don't believe something.
You can't prove a negative, so I won't believe in God until there is proof.
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I don't think you understand atheism. It is not me asserting God does not exist. I have no idea if a god exists or doesn't, but that's exactly why I'm atheist. Because I can't know, I will not assume things I don't know. If a god exists, I'm sure he will understand why I have no faith. I have trust in friends I can rely on, I have trust in science, because I can see the evidence, I can trust in myself and in humanity, because I see the results, but faith in something I have never seen or heard from? Faith in Yahweh, but not in Odin or Thor?
Why in the world would I choose one religion over another when all look equally true and equally false?
On history channel there was a documentary about that flood.
no the flood it was talking about was the flood that made the black sea.
And the thing with Christians. We believe in miracles. I believe, that if God is able to do anything, he is also able to keep a ship, with all the animals on the earth, from sinking.
But why a boat? why not just levitate the animals and people he wanted to survive the flood in the air?
When you prove to us, that there is absolutely no chance at all, that the God we believe isn't real, then I think most of the people will become atheists.
But you can't, or you haven't done it yet.
Even when that does happen their will still be some hard headed religious people denying it all just like now how most Christan's deny evolution even though it is greatly supported by the science community and most of the world.
But why a boat? why not just levitate the animals and people he wanted to survive the flood in the air?
I'm not God. I don't know why he did what he did. So aks him!
Even when that does happen their will still be some hard headed religious people denying it all just like now how most Christan's deny evolution even though it is greatly supported by the science community and most of the world.
Yeah I think that will happen too, but I surely will become atheist if you prove me wrong.
I have given several people the chance, no one could.
Well.. that just proves that there are errors in the bible. And I already said, that the bible is written by humans, and inspired by God.
to prove that the bible isn't 100% trustworthy is not a proof of, that there isn't a God.
And I'm not asking you to prove to me, that MY God doesn't exist.
I'm asking you to prove that all Gods as we know it. Allah ... all religions on earth. Prove to me, that there is no chance that one of them are actually true.
Well.. that just proves that there are errors in the bible. And I already said, that the bible is written by humans, and inspired by God.
to prove that the bible isn't 100% trustworthy is not a proof of, that there isn't a God.
And I'm not asking you to prove to me, that MY God doesn't exist.
I'm asking you to prove that all Gods as we know it. Allah ... all religions on earth. Prove to me, that there is no chance that one of them are actually true.
Somewhere in Asia, they did some digging. I think they wanted to built something.
And when they we're several foots down in the earth, the earth became muddy.
That is a proof of, that there once was a very big flood, but if it was Noah's flood, no one can know. Just that there once was a flood, a long time ago.
I'm sure the history channel was a lot more convincing that you just were. If you dig down almost anywhere you'll find water. That's how wells work. And even if this was evidence of some kind of flood, that certainly doesn't mean the flood was world wide. There have been floods since the world began. We just had one a few years ago down in New Orleans. Remember that one?
This reminds me of an old roommate I once had. He claimed that scientists had found sea shells all over the world, even on the tallest mountains, and so that all of the world had been covered by water at one time. I said sure, it was well known that every part of the earth has been covered by water at one time or another, but not all at the same time.
Even if your god WAS real, why in the world would I worship a murderer?
Even though you can say God was justified in doing that, I disagree.
My own moral system prohibits unnecessary killing. I have logically deduced that killing people for no reason is not useful.
I already know what wickedness means to a Christian. It doesn't mean not molesting children, like catholic priests do. I know it doesn't mean murder, because that's what the Christian crusaders did. I know it doesn't mean not stealing or urging people to give them money for nothing, because that's what a tithe is. I know that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone, but Christians feel that it is fine to hurt homosexuals. I know that abortion actually helps people, it means a child doesn't have to grow up unloved, and a potential mother doesn't need to live with a child she wants dead, and of course, the population being so high, and so many foster homes being filled up.
Wickedness is an unforgivable act to a Christian.
Wickedness is believing in anything that isn't the Christian god. If all other sins can be forgiven by God, except for not believing, then I understand exactly why I would rather face a hell than bow to tyranny and corruption.
Of course, I do not expect to face hell. I will live my life and do good for people, I will continue donating my spare change to the charity box, I will continue urging people to not be Christian because of the pain it causes people and society.
I will study science and invent things to help people, I will try to develop an easy way to generate energy so people in third world countries can live happily and stop burning witches, like Christian missionaries taught in the Bible.
It is a long time since I last read the story of Noah's Ark, but I remember the important stuff, but If I get something wrong, please correct me.
God said in the story, that he wanted to make a flood killing everyone because he wanted a better world.
He wanted to .. I don't know how to put my words, but he wanted to make the world a better place, by killing everyone, and then Noah was supposed to repopulate the earth.
As I said, I can't really remember the story.
But I personally I don't see the point with killing everyone.
God killed everyone, and the only thing he accomplished was that Noah got a lot of kids that misbehaved worse than the people God killed.
Yes God killed people, but I believe they came to Heaven. Life isn't everything.
But not that it makes any difference considering God killed people, he did give them a chance to .. not get killed. Noah did tell everyone that there was a flood coming, and he did offer them a seat in the boat.
Life isn't everything to you, but to an atheist like me, this is my only life.
I don't have second chances, nor is this an audition for the next life.
I need to enjoy it now as best as I can.
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Anyways, however the story goes, God murdered people and I find that to be an atrocity.
If Yahweh was real, I would never worship or respect him. No matter how evil someone might be, murder by a god isn't right.
If God is truly powerful, then he should be able to reeducate them with powerful magic, instead of making a horrible flood killing not only the evil humans, but also the innocent animals and children with his powerful magic.
If I got into Heaven, I don't think I'd mind, depending on what heaven was.
It could be like the The Simpsons episode where Homer rebelled against God because God sentenced his family to hell, and he had to watch them suffer for eternity, even though he was in "paradise".
If I knew people, other humans like me were in Hell, there would be no way I'd enjoy heaven.
I really don't see the need to torture people for crimes. A god that tortures people isn't my god.
If there was a god that did exist, and that god had a "reeducation" center, to allow minds to develop and understand how the people they wronged felt, that would be fine, but even that seems unnecessary. In a heaven, it would be possible for even a person like Hitler to understand why he was wrong and apologize to every single person that died under his rule.
But really, no man can know what's after death, and based on every thing I've ever learned about neuroscience, you would be gone forever after you die. But eh, that only makes life MORE beautiful. To think there is an even better place afterward? Ehh.
This place is excellent enough, and if all humans work together, it can become even better for all living things.
It could be like the The Simpsons episode where Homer rebelled against God because God sentenced his family to hell, and he had to watch them suffer for eternity, even though he was in "paradise".
HAHAHAHA!!! I love that episode.
If I knew people, other humans like me were in Hell, there would be no way I'd enjoy heaven.
IF Heaven existed and you would be there, then you would enjoy it.
IF Heaven existed, and it would be like the bible described it, there will be no pain, death .. basically all bad stuff would be gone.. and we would be like happy smiley faces for eternity.
But just like you, If I believed in Hell, then I wouldn't be very exited to get into heaven, unless the whole world became Christian.
The reason why good things are so good is because of the bad stuff.
If everything was perfect, it would get very boring quickly. If I had an enhanced brain able to understand EVERYTHING in the universe, I'd try to rekill myself after a week. What's the point of innovation or discovery if you're happy?
No one invents a lightbulb if there's already a solution. If you are given everything you need, without hunger or pain, ehhh
it just
It'd feel so cheap and artificial. Sure, many people love the idea of heaven, most people are completely unable to deal with death.
I mean, they're TERRIFIED of death. They do all they can to avoid it, taking medicines and praying and all this stuff, and finally, when it's time to die, they decide immortality is worth begging a god.
Yes, humans attempt to reason with a god to give them immortality.
Or perhaps they are just blinded with fear and can't cope with the fact that it is over.
I dunno, life is great, but it has to end. Inventing a heaven in order to give people a way to cope with a miserable life is the best way to make them lazy.
A way to make them ignore their troubles, and instead of fixing the problem in life, they feel that death is the solution.
Humans make mistake, even 2000 years ago. That's why there are errors in the bible. For instance, in the bible there are several men quoting other men, before the man who said it first was even born. That clearly doesn't make sense.
Wow, you aren't helping the Bible's case...AT ALL
Yes there is evidence on the flood.
There is evidence of flooding all over the world...because there is WATER all over the world. Historically, mankind was required to live near sources of water to survive. Problem is, sources of water tend to flood...
And the thing with Christians. We believe in miracles. I believe, that if God is able to do anything, he is also able to keep a ship, with all the animals on the earth, from sinking.
An easy out. The thing I believe in has no limits, so I can always be at least potentially correct. I can believe that this tactic worked a few thousand years ago, but in the modern age?
Also where you say 'there is no evidence' You also have no evidence of that it never happened.
If something happens, it will leave evidence. If something NEVER happened, it will NEVER leave evidence. You can only prove something happened. To ask someone to prove something never happened is...silly.
There is evidence of flooding all over the world...because there is WATER all over the world. Historically, mankind was required to live near sources of water to survive. Problem is, sources of water tend to flood..
Yes, that's why its stupid to say that there is no evidence of flood.
I mean sure, there is not evidence of Noah's flood.. but there have been several floods, and one of them could be Noah's.
An easy out. The thing I believe in has no limits, so I can always be at least potentially correct. I can believe that this tactic worked a few thousand years ago, but in the modern age?
What do you mean by 'work'?
I am not trying to convince anybody here so .. there's is nothing to 'work'. I just told you guys what I believe.
If something happens, it will leave evidence. If something NEVER happened, it will NEVER leave evidence. You can only prove something happened. To ask someone to prove something never happened is...silly.
I don't see why its sillier than asking me to prove my beliefs.
We both know, that neither of us can prove the other wrong. So why is one sillier than the other?
Well, okay. We can agree on the first half of that statement. But WHY do you believe in God?
I mean sure, there is not evidence of Noah's flood.. but there have been several floods, and one of them could be Noah's.
Pretty much impossible. Even ignoring everything that the Bible said about the Arc and the gathering of animals and all of the logical errors that play into those scenarios, the idea of a Global Flood is laughable. There is not NEARLY enough water to cover the world to the highest mountain. If there was, we would either still be flooded today, or the atmosphere would be so full of water vapor that it would be unbelievably more humid right now than it is (and the Earth would therefore be much hotter), or we would have plentiful aquifers EVERYWHERE and no parts of the world would have to be facing water shortages.
Further, the ecological implications of such a flood would be VAST. EVERYTHING would die out. Not just animals, but plants too. Sea life would be destroyed because it all lives in delicate conditions and adding so much water so quickly would drive everything in the water to extinction. Even if SOME life survived, it would take far more than a few thousand years to return to the diversity of life and ecosystems we have now. Most of Earth would still be a soggy wasteland.
Also, an extinction event of that magnitude would show up in the global fossil records. No such event is seen that recently.
So, no. As long as we consider Noah's flood a global event, it simply could not have happened. If we try to justify it, say that it was localized like every other big flood, then the would defeat the whole purpose of the story in the first place.
What do you mean by 'work'?
That it would persuade anyone. I get and respect that you aren't trying to convince anyone, but the fact that so many people, yourself included, think that it is a strong rebuttal seems VERY anachronistic to me.
I don't see why its sillier than asking me to prove my beliefs.
First off, it depends on what we are trying to disprove. Most things that are small or non-specific cannot be disproved by there apparent absence. The only reasons why we can rule out a global flood is because life on Earth as it is could not exist, there is not enough water, etc. Something that epic would have to leave evidence, it is unavoidable. So when we sit down and think about it, we can rule it out with certainty.
But many other things can't be ruled out that way. Pretty much anything supernatural cannot be ruled out because it would, by its nature, exist beyond what we are able to test for. We can't say for 100% certainty that certain types of things like lamp genies, time travelers or elves do not now or ever have existed. It would be silly to ask us to do so because we have nothing to look for. Like I said earlier, in most cases you can't have evidence that something never existed because only things that exist can leave evidence.
But if you make a claim about something existing, well something that exists should leave evidence. You can show me the lamp that the genie lived in, the bubble gum wrapper in an ancient strata of rock, the fossils of elves. Until you can do that, it is perfectly logical for me to go on not believing in these things.
It's kinda hard to explain, I can't really put my words on it.
Pretty much impossible. Even ignoring everything that the Bible said about the Arc and the gathering of animals and all of the logical errors that play into those scenarios, the idea of a Global Flood is laughable. There is not NEARLY enough water to cover the world to the highest mountain. If there was, we would either still be flooded today, or the atmosphere would be so full of water vapor that it would be unbelievably more humid right now than it is (and the Earth would therefore be much hotter), or we would have plentiful aquifers EVERYWHERE and no parts of the world would have to be facing water shortages.
I never said that the flood was world wide.. in fact, who said that?
What God meant to accomplish with that flood was to kill everyone.
I doubt every land on earth back then was populated.
Further, the ecological implications of such a flood would be VAST. EVERYTHING would die out. Not just animals, but plants too. Sea life would be destroyed because it all lives in delicate conditions and adding so much water so quickly would drive everything in the water to extinction. Even if SOME life survived, it would take far more than a few thousand years to return to the diversity of life and ecosystems we have now. Most of Earth would still be a soggy wasteland.
You have to understand, that Christians believe in a God that is able to do anything.
Let's say he was real, wouldn't he be able to recreate all plant life on earth?
So, no. As long as we consider Noah's flood a global event, it simply could not have happened. If we try to justify it, say that it was localized like every other big flood, then the would defeat the whole purpose of the story in the first place.
I've never heard any Christian state, that the flood was global.
It would be silly to ask us to do so because we have nothing to look for
Then why are you constantly trying to prove us wrong? Just .. let us believe.. live your lives we live ours. Let's just peace out.
It's kinda hard to explain, I can't really put my words on it.
Fair enough, but I do believe that if you believe in something you should be able to articulate why.
I never said that the flood was world wide.. in fact, who said that?
Ummm, the Bible. Noah was to gather creatures from all corners of the Earth. The seas were said to have reached past the highest mountains, and that would have to be global to be possible. As you say, the flood was intended to kill everyone. Well, you may doubt that every lands was inhabited by then, but Biblical literalists have, for centuries, dated the flood to between 4 and 5 thousand years ago. And we know for an undeniable fact that every continent (except, of course, Antarctica) was populated by then, as well as Islands in every ocean. How could this NOT be Global? What would be the point of just raining out the Middle East? Why would Noah have to gather EVERY Animal if MANY of them would be unaffected?
You have to understand, that Christians believe in a God that is able to do anything.
Let's say he was real, wouldn't he be able to recreate all plant life on earth?
Yeah, like I said earlier that is an easy out. Anyway, sure, if he exists, he could recreate everything, but why would he intentionally set it up to make the Earth look like this event could never possibly occur, and cover up any evidence of it. By making it look completely impossible, he is simply making it harder for people to believe in him. He seems to be going out of his way to breed skepticism.
I've never heard any Christian state, that the flood was global.
They don't have to, because they don't realize that you are the only person who has ever heard this story that does not realize it is supposed to be global.
Then why are you constantly trying to prove us wrong?
It is not constant, at least not for me. The woman I am most in love with is a very serious Christian, and I would be willing to be with her without ever debating her, if she were willing to accept that I do not believe in her religion. Several of my friends, family, and co-workers are religious and I treat their beliefs with respect.
But this, this is a DEBATE SITE. We come here to DEBATE! And I think that there are numerous errors in judgement inherent in accepting a religion or even a simple theistic belief that run counter to our ability to advance and make the world the best place possible. When I see someone committing faulty thinking, especially on a DEBATE SITE, it is my inclination to say my piece. They probably won't listen, but if I can at least inspire them to think about it and maybe do a little research, that is good enough for me.
To give me logical explantations is .. worthless to me
Which means you live in a fantasy land and are limiting what you are capable of doing. It is sad when people handicap themselves like that.
If he's able to do anything, he is able to make a flood global, and recreate life on earth.
But why would he work so hard to make it appears impossible? Why try SOOO hard to obscure his work if we are to believe in him and love him?
I mean.. of course you need proof to believe me.
Proof would be nice, but I would also accept some decent logic.
That's why its impossible to argue against christianity.
The reason it is impossible is because the Christians who make it impossible prefer to live blind. They are afraid to accept that they may not be special. That when they die it is over. That wonderful, beautiful things might just be coincidence. Fear makes it impossible, not belief in miracles. Besides, what IS a miracle anyway?
How can it be debated when our beliefs are so much unalike?
On the contrary, the more disparate the beliefs, the more room for debate.
Believing in things is nice, but if you are the sort of person who cares if whether or not what you believe is actually true, to magic away all explanations with "God did it" makes it difficult to understand why you believe.
If God would ever show himself, perhaps I would believe, but it's very easy to read the Bible and see it all as pure mythology.
If a god did exist, why is there cancer? Why can't he transform cancer into a disease that only takes 7 days to kill you, instead of months and months, or even years of pain? I mean, there are so many reasons to not believe, and absolutely zero as to why I should believe...
Why do you believe? Simply feeling something isn't a logical answer. I feel happy when I see a cute baby, or I feel like I am witnessing something amazing when I see a sunset, I feel cuddly when I'm with someone I love, yet, why do you feel a god, despite so many other people feeling other gods? Srom believes in a vengeful god, he feels a god that will torture people, the Hindus believe in a universal god and a reincarnation system, Muslims worship a meteorite which they feel is a sign from God.
They all feel just as strongly as you do, yet, to me, an atheist, they are all worshiping different gods. Although you say you worship the Christian god, you seem to only give it that name. You ignore the parts about hell, and you invent a god that loves you, wants you to be nice and sends everyone to heaven. Yet, Srom thinks the opposite. Either their are two gods, or both of you believe in mythology, and there are no gods.
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I didn't think he worked very heard. Humans are stupid, it shouldn't be very har to hide such a thing from us.
But why would he hide it at all?
Limiting of what I'm capable of doing? Why do you say that?
By rejecting or at least picking and choosing from the laws of logic, you are limiting your understanding of the world around you and are likely to limit your capacity for intellectual achievement. Knowledge is the best way a human has to be of value to his/her fellow humans. If you stunt your knowledge, you are much less likely to do all of the good things you are capable of.
By rejecting or at least picking and choosing from the laws of logic, you are limiting your understanding of the world around you and are likely to limit your capacity for intellectual achievement. Knowledge is the best way a human has to be of value to his/her fellow humans. If you stunt your knowledge, you are much less likely to do all of the good things you are capable of.
If I am asking you, then why are you not God? I mean he wants me to love him, right?...so why would he send a teenager to a 30+ year old man? Why not just contact me directly...why am I so unworthy?
Which laws of logic don't I understand?
Law 1: a claim require proof. An amazing claim requires amazing proof...also, Okhams Razor and a few others, but really? Why would such a shiny thing dull its shine?
Law 1: a claim require proof. An amazing claim requires amazing proof...also, Okhams Razor and a few others, but really? Why would such a shiny thing dull its shine?
I am well aware of that law, and understand it completely.
One thing you have to understand tho is, when I talk about my religion, there is nothing I am claiming or stating.
I'm just telling you guys what I believe. I am not trying to convince you, or trying to get you on my side.. you said it well yourself. Why would God send me, a stupid teenage girl to convince clever scientist that he is real?
But I believe that even tho I don't have any evidence of what I believe, I still have right to speak up about what I beliefs. If its true or not is irrelevant.
I never said you were stupid. I do wish your thoughts were more logically organized and I am surprised you don't see that Noah's flood was supposed to be global, but I would need more to evidence before I made the claim that you are unintelligent.
Of course you have the right to believe what you want. And of course you have the right to speak up about it...just as I have the right to not believe, and to speak out against it. I mean, if you come to a debate site, and debate religion...you should expect to be challenged. People will want to know your motivation for your beliefs and we may disagree with you.
To me, if you are going to believe in something, you should have a clear reason why, and should be able to explain it. If you cannot, you should maybe wonder why you have the belief.
I also never claimed to be clever, or even a scientist. I am just explaining why I disbelieve.
Yes, but it is irritating to type out all the best logic and have you tell us you don't care about logic.
Logic is how we do everything in this world. People who do illogical things are usually considered insane or psychotic.
Do you know why Dawkin's book is called The God Delusion?
Why do you think he considers it a delusion? Why do you think I'm atheist? I would like you to answer both of those questions, or stop putting forth your beliefs on a debate site. If you want to talk about unquestionable faith, go to a Christian website. On a debate site, you are only wasting our time typing responses to you. I'm not angry, I just don't think it's fun to debate you when you have no arguments or explanations.
It's fine if you want to use the website, but when you debate your religious views, it's not a debate. It's you telling us that you believe no matter what. That's not fun on this sort of site.
No, I said to you, that you can make me not believe, the same way I can make you believe.
Prove to me that God doesn't exist - When I said that, obviously I don't believe no matter what. Because if someone can prove to me, that my faith is wrong, that there is no chance that my God exist, then I see no reason why I should trust you more than a book.
OK, so... God could have instructed Noah to get the animals into a fenced in area and then build an invisible damn around it to keep the waters at bay. Just like he parted the waters while Moses crossed the Red Sea. But He hadn't thought about it at that time. He only thought about that trick centuries later.
He could have also levitated everyone. But that's a cheap parlor trick that every magician worth his salt can pull off.
So He thought of the ark and He must have thought, "How cool would that be?" And He made it so that you could fit all the animals inside and kept it from leaking. Ever seen a magician put a ladder into a hat? Same trick. Except He didn't use any cameras so it wasn't a camera trick.
That reminds of this one time when I came home drunk at 4:00 AM and my Dad was waiting for me and I was like, "Yeah I'm late, old man..., and I'm drunk. What' you gonna do about it?" Yup..., I said that to my Dad once..., ONCE!!! I don't remember much after that ;)
So what Srom? He asked them to write it and they fucked up because they suck. He should have done it himself so everyone knew the truth and what a badass he is then maybe people wouldn't be so stupid because theyd fear him the way they should and dont say youre not srom because we all know that you are
I DONT WHO SHE IS AND I DONT CARE =p and are you a girl be cause mary is a girl name even though you say you are a dude on your account, how foolish you are
Sarcasm doesn't really work on a website since we can't hear your tone of voice you could literally be scared... My tip for you is if your gonna do sarcasm make sure you put (sarcasm) At the end.
I'm really scared (Sarcasm)
It's hard to tell sarcasm on a computer since we can't see your face or hear your tone of voice. So that was pretty silly what you just did.
Why else would the Vedas exist? How in the world does an entire culture get ignored by the One True All powerful, All knowing God of Creation and Ultimate Reality?
I mean, if Hinduism is false and a Christian's religion is right, why would a god make such a sorry mistake?
Reincarnation and polytheism vs final destination and monotheism?
I would like to believe you. I think it would be cool if you and your brother were both on this site. However, you've explicitly said that you have more than one account, so how can you blame people for trying to guess what the other accounts are? You've created a game for everyone to play.
In your debate about whether or not you should go (one of the first debates I read when I first joined), someone accused you of trolling, and you said:
I ain't trolling. This is my main account so I wouldn't be trolling and most of the time I am serious.
Then someone else accused you of having multiple accounts, and I never saw any denial of it.
So, you are correct, you never said explicitly that you have multiple accounts, but I believe I'm not the only one who was led to believe that you have multiple accounts. Whether you really have multiple accounts on here or not, I think this still started a kind of game where people try to guess if the person behind another account is really you.
BTW, if you only have this one account, then who is srom1884?
I don't see any denial from him this time either. He said that he never said that he had multiple accounts. He didn't say that he didn't have multiple accounts. However, regardless, I haven't jumped to any conclusions, because I haven't concluded that he has multiple accounts. To me, that's still an open question. I'm just explaining why I think some people are accusing others of being srom.
That's what's so great about Islam. The bible was written hundreds of years, sometimes thousands, after the events it describes, but the Koran was written just before (or just after, I forget) Mohammed's death, and many people could still remember the exact words that God spoke through Mohammed. Long live Islam!!!
(Disclaimer: I'm not Islamic, and I don't even know what the Koran says, but it terms of veracity, their claim is much stronger than that of Christians.)
Why is a more antiquated set of barbaric beliefs preferable to a more modern one? The Christian message and the Bible have been changed over the years to better adapt to and coincide with their host societies. This makes them, dare I say it, more progressive, even though it also detracts from veracity.
True, and since I believe both were written by men, I'll agree with you. However, arguably, if you believe both were derived from God, and that God's message is perfect and everlasting, then the one closest to the source would be the more reliable.
Belief in Christianity is belief in an omnipotent God capable of overcoming these "physical impossibilities". If there is an omnipotent God, would it not be that by the very nature of his omnipotence he can prevent the flooding of the ark, and make easier the act of feeding and gathering the animals then otherwise would have been - or, in other words, do anything otherwise "impossible"?
Then why make an ark at all? Why not just levitate animals above the waters and let the humans drown, except the ones that he wants to let live?
Or better, no drowning at all, just make them disappear without pain.
Or even better, design humans to not be so evil.
I mean, I'm not even talking about NO EVIL.
Just 10% less evil and 10% more good.
If God had ultimate power, then why does he do things in such a violent, destructive manner? Why does he create flawed beings at all? Why even create and evil snake?
Why put the trees of life and knowledge in the garden in the first place?
How can a Christian deal with such massive flaws in God's thinking, yet still respect him?
One could say "It's God's plan", but that is exactly what I'm talking about.
9 I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9 For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,
“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel[c] be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, 28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” 29 And as Isaiah predicted,
“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,
we would have been like Sodom
and become like Gomorrah.”
Israel's Unbelief
30 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness[d] did not succeed in reaching that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 as it is written,
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
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Matthew 16:13-23
English Standard Version (ESV)
Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ
13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock[a] I will build my church, and the gates of hell[b] shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed[c] in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
Jesus Foretells His Death and Resurrection
21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. 22 And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord![d] This shall never happen to you.” 23 But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance[e] to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”
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Genesis 50:20
English Standard Version (ESV)
20 As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people[a] should be kept alive, as they are today.
I clearly have a much higher intelligence than God 'cause I can see very many flaws in religion, and, most importantly, in what religion is based on. And I have to say I am not omnipotent. Please, stop lying.
I agree. I could easily have found a far better way to do everything God did.
I mean, it's easy knowing that the Bible is written by man, but assuming that a god wrote or inspired it?
Even easier. What a fool god must have been. I mean, looking at his rules regarding sacrifice... Sure, you could say those rules no longer apply. Perhaps a good Christian can just go in with some scissors and cut all the stupid stuff out.
How does understanding something make us become it?
I understand how a pencil works, how graphite is applied and sticks to paper.
I am not a pencil, paper or graphite.
Adam never existed. Evolution happened. There was never any cursed fruit.
I couldn't care less what Romans 9 said. It's a fictional book. Any truth or anything that's close to the truth makes no difference.
If the truth is found in a better, more accurate way, then I would throw out a book of half truths.
And god's wrath? The unrighteous?
Yes, Christians are surely righteous. Completely self righteous.
"Hating gays, oppressing women, slavery"
All that is rationalized with YOUR bible, and even if you don't do it now, thanks to secular people who fight against religion's influence in the state, you certainly would if you could, wouldn't you? I mean, the Bible says it's ok, so fuck morals, let's do whatever god says. It must be right because Authority said it, right?
I couldn't care less whether or not it's true. It's a wicked book that corrupts people.
If God does exist, and the Bible is true, then I would rather go to hell than bow to tyranny.
If you think it's wrong to use science to advance our understanding of the universe, then get the hell off this website.
You know about Alan Turing, right? He helped invent computers in order to defeat the Nazis.
He was gay and chemically castrated and attacked for it by Christians.
And stop using microwaves, forks and spoons made by advanced steel compounds, plastic, electricity, light bulbs and everything else you never bother to think about.
"Where in the Bible does it say that God expected Adam to not eat it?
Read Romans 9... Maybe God allowed evil to happen in order to display His wrath towards the unrighteous."
WHAT! Reread this to yourself aloud. That makes God sound like an asshole. "sure I'm going to let Adam and Eve disobey me so I can show my wrath on the people I've created just because they're unrighteous because I let them be."
Really...really...really... slap what's wrong with you? You aren't allowed to speak anymore...
Because God is God, being all knowing, all-powerful, and all good, He has to do one of three things....
1) Allow only evil
2) Allow only good
3) Allow both good and evil
If He doesn't allow some evil then no wrath towards the wicked can be displayed. But if all evil is there, then no love and mercy is capable of being displayed either.... He allows both so that He can display all of His characteristics to the world!
You are looking at it in a merely humanistic standpoint.... Do you really think that you can understand God? haha no one can! The only way we can understand God is God Himself gives us the knowledge to do so: the Bible and the Holy Spirit!
Have you ever built a boat that big to the exact requirements of the Bible and tested it?
Here was my response to you about the flood's evidence...
"You believe in evolution, correct? One of the fundamental evidences for the geological side of it is continental drift. They believe this for a multitude of reasons and one of these reasons is because of the fact that every place on earth has been underwater at some point or another. They don't know when but they do know that it has happened... everywhere. This is where geologists believe that a giant meteor hit the earth in the ocean, which then covered the whole world with water.
To continue, another piece of evidence is that if you go to any dinosaur museum, you would see that there is a sign saying that these dinosaurs were buried by sediment and mud-flow (a giant meteor from evolution standpoint). Now, to get a fossil, you have to have an intense amount of pressure and because you find dinosaur fossils all over the world, it would have to be a global extinction. This means that NO to little life would be here... which would mean that life would have to completely restart its cycle from bacteria unless there was some sort of safety boat... Noah's arc.
Now, 90% of dinosaurs are under 2 ft. tall. The term "dinosaur" was coined in the 19th century, right around the time of darwin and his theory of evolution and it means "giant lizard." The book of Job in Chapters 40 and 41 mentions "great behemoths." Dragons have been recorded by historians in medieval times. Dinosaurs are just giant lizards! Continued, before the flood people lived 900 or so years... now, they live 70 years... that is a huge difference in life! Lizards are the only animal other than humans to grow their entire life. Humans' skulls and earlobes grow their entire lives while lizards' entire bodies grow for their entire lives. If humans lived so much longer before the flood... could animals live a lot longer too? This would explain the differing head sizes of humans that have been found and it would explain dinosaur fossils.
What about continental drift? I wonder what would happen if so much water was dumped on the earth that no land could be seen.... Maybe continent would move? Maybe the grand canyon would be carved by an underwater current going fast enough to rip a human apart? Hmmmm... some stuff to think about!"
You have no idea what you are saying and nearly every "fact" you mention is wrong or distorted.
I suggest to anyone reading what you are saying to research every single word you've said, starting with "What errors" all the way to "think about"
No, people before the dinosaurs went extinct did not live 900 years. That is what the Bible says. The Bible is fiction. The creation myth is fiction. People and dinosaurs did not live together.
Even the flood is fiction. If God had said "I will send a meteor down", that is what the Bible would have said.
Instead, it doesn't. It says something else you then you fill in the gaps with what ACTUALLY happened, then you twist and distort it into some insane creationist myth.
The problem with Christian apologetic is that Christianity is all about magic. Trying to explain and rationalize the Christian faith with modern ideas and science is like trying to jam together two puzzle pieces that aren't supposed to fit; you might make it work, kind of, but then the picture you constructed will be lacking and flawed.
Faith as a religious virtue is measured by lack of supporting evidence. The more ridiculous and impossible to prove an idea proposed by religion is, the better, because believing in it makes you that much more faithful and virtuous. This is what Christianity is founded on, and this is what sustains it. The fables of Christianity are not supported by science nor were they intended to; indeed, for many Christians your attempt to logically explain their religion would actually be offensive. The fables of Christianity are supposed to be believed in, not shown to be logical or proven true. And trying to use apologetics to explain Christianity will always result in you running your head into a brick wall, because what you're trying to explain logically is magic.
There are no errors in the Bible, because everything in it was written for a reason. Just because one doesn't know the purpose of some thing doesn't mean it is an error.
About the flood, it is irrelevant whether the flood actually existed; because the point of the story is what is important.
You said Bible is written by a reasons? that the worst argument that i ever heard. Bible
Justifying the True Gospel of Islam, Islam justifies Isa AS and the True Gospel
MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL OF ANCIENT Barnabas shook the world
REPUBLIKA.CO.ID, By: Deden Mauli Darajat *
The emergence of an ancient book in Turkey in February 2012, which is believed to be the Gospel of Barnabas, made in the international debate hotter. However, the debate is still struggling about whether or not the book claims that the Gospel of Barnabas. Argument has not been entered into the realm of the contents of the book which is yet to be translated by the Turkish government.
Head of the Directorate General of Cultural Assets Museum and Turkey, Zulkuf Yilmaz, admitted that there is an ancient book that goes to the Museum of Ethnography Turkey in February 2012. The book is given to the military museum, after over 12 years stored in the vault at the Ankara office of the High Court.
Zulkuf promised, directorate will immediately analyze the contents of the book. The plan, a 40 sheet book will be sent to the Turkish Central Laboratory for further investigation. "In the lab will be analyzed and translated it," he told television Zulkup Hurriyet.
Turkish version of the Gospel of Barnabas was written on animal skin blackish brown. The author uses inks of gold and its contents in Aramaic, a language which is estimated to mother tongue of Jesus Christ. General the book is expected to reach 1,500 years.
There are three versions of the Gospel of Barnabas, the Gospel of Barnabas speak Italian, Spanish Gospel of Barnabas, and the last is found in Turkey. Spanish version of the manuscript of the Gospel of Barnabas disappeared from circulation, but most of the text appears in the transcript in the 18th century.
The advent of the Gospel of Barnabas in the Turkish language was Aramaic is important because it could be that this is the book of the older of the two previous books. Turkish Culture and Tourism Minister, Ertugrul Gunay, also believe that this book is of Turkish origin Bernabas original version of the Gospel of Barnabas.
Of the two versions is revealing another version about Jesus Christ and the advent of Islam and Prophet Muhammad SAW. That's why so-called Gospel of Barnabas is more parallel with the Islamic teachings.
In his analysis, Y-Jesus magazine from the United States, stating the contents of the text is effectively denied the divinity of Jesus and reject the concept of the trinity, which defines the Christian belief of God in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The report also stated in the text, called Judas Iscariot, who died on the cross and not Jesus. While in the New Testament, Judas betrayed Jesus called.
The debate about the content of two previous books were Barnabas Gospel of Barnabas comeback after Turkey emerged. Phil Lawler, editor of Catholic World News (CWN), states, the book of Barnabas Turkey can be accepted. However, since the manuscript has not been translated, no one knows exactly what the contents of the book.
Phil said, the Iranian media, the Basij, reported the discovery of this book of Barnabas Turkey. Mentioned by the Basij, the Gospel of Barnabas was written in the century Turkish-5 or BC-6. Phil strongly denied this opinion. Argument that he was proposing was, Barnabas lives together with Jesus Christ and includes 12 students.
"It's definitely written by someone claiming to represent Barnabas," said Phil, as quoted by the Daily Mail.
Predictions about the coming of Prophet Muhammad SAW is written in the book of Barnabas sebelumnyna he also denies. Because, according to Phil, aspects of the manuscript dating sangatl important. "So what the Turks have now is an old document, but we doubt the book that is currently being debated," said Phil.
Turkish theologian, Omer Faruk Harman, said, to reveal how old the book of Barnabas Turkey's need to hold in-depth research. "Scientific Scan from the book may be the only way to reveal exactly how old," he told Today's Zaman.
Iran's terrorism analyst and observer of the Christian Broadcasting Network, Erick Stakelbeck, said the emergence of the Gospel of Barnabas Turkey is Iran's subterfuge. According to him, preaching the Gospel of Barnabas by the Iranian media, the Basij is a form of propaganda of the Iranian regime against Christians. (Contributors Reuters in Ankara, Turkey)
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Gospel of Barnabas AND OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAW
Mauli Deden Darajat (Contributor rollers in Ankara, Turkey)
The debate about the book is stored in the museum etnogari Turkey is not yet finished. Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism are researched and translated the contents of the book is at the Laboratory Center for Turkish to check the authenticity of the Gospel of Barnabas. Who was Barnabas?
Barnabas was born in Cyprus as Joseph. Barnabas was among those who first brought to the belief that Jesus or the Prophet Jesus, later named apostles. The story appears in the Acts of the Apostles. Paul called in a letter.
However, Christian tradition says he was martyred in Salamis, Cyprus. He is traditionally identified as the founder of the Church of Cyprus, with a feast day on June 11.
In that tradition, Jesus denied being the Messiah (savior interpreter) and claimed that he would be Ishmael, the term used for Arabs. The Bible was written by Barnabas, so most of his time devoted to writing the message of Jesus.
Before the book was found in Turkey, there are two manuscripts of the Gospel of Barnabas as a book that was made in the 16th century in Italian and Spanish. Christians did not recognize the Gospel of Barnabas Barnabas regarded as never wrote any books.
In general, very out of tune with the reports that are also found in the Gospels as the Gospel of Barnabas is not a manuscript written by the apostles of Jesus such as the canonical gospels. Within certain limits, this book follows the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins.
Syrian Christian community claimed ownership of the ancient Gospel of the Turkish authorities who discovered it in 2000. The community has sent a formal letter to the Minister of Culture and Tourism of Turkey, Er tugrul Gunay, to restore them to their holy book.
Head of Culture Syrian Christian community, Sabo Hanna, said the historic Bible has a great significance for the Christian material. "If Turkey does not hand it over, we asked Turkey to open access along with building a museum in the District of Midyat, Syria," said Sabo told Hurriyet Daily News.
Syrian Christian community are Orthodox Christians in the Arab region. They are spread from Lebanon, Syria, to the Turkish border. Christians have used the Aramaic since the beginning of their church. "A lot of the early Christian monastery in the Syrian territory in southeastern Turkey have been looted by Turabidin. Therefore, we ask that the old gospel was restored, "Sabo said Hanna.
Syrian Christian group has spread to Europe. Approximately eight representatives in the European community. They also spread in Asia Minor with a book of Greek and Aramaic texts. However, research has not been carried out in depth what the gospel is true Christian has a relationship with Syria. Geographically, the location of the Cypriot Barnabas's birthplace in southern Turkey which separated the Mediterranean Sea.
Meanwhile, Syria, Cyprus is also adjacent to the sea barrier separated the continents of Africa, Asia, and Europe. Turkish police raided the antiquities smugglers in southern Turkey, 12 years ago. They want to bring a book to Ankara. The book was immediately put into a safe deposit box office of the High Court of Turkey.
Gospel ancient 1,500-year-old is expected to be a concern after the Turkish government published. The controversy arises because it believes the content of the gospel of Jesus as a prophet. Gospel is predicting the arrival of Muhammad after Jesus.
If it is true that this book is the Gospel of Barnabas, the forecast monk when Muhammad SAW Buhaira little something to do. At that time, Muhammad was 12 years old. Abu Talib, the uncle, going on an expedition merchant from Mecca to Sham (Syria).
When I arrived at a hermitage in Bushra, between Sham and Hijaz, they met with Buhaira. The monk was amazed to watch Muhammad. Therefore, clouds are always moving shading Muhammad walk everywhere. Buhaira examine Muhammad's body to see the signs described in the prophetic scriptures.
He eventually found a sign on the back of Muhammad's prophethood, between her shoulders. He then kissed the sign. The monk also told Abu Talib to keep his nephew because he is a candidate for the long-awaited messenger. Prediction of the City Bushra Buhaira became a reality. When the age of 40 years, Muhammad's revelation gained when alone in the Cave of Hira. Muhammad was a messenger of God to mankind.
And Bible isnt written by reason.
ANd about the flood
In recent years there have been some renewed attempts to locate the Ark. These attempts will perhaps continue until we have the answers we wish to have. Among the researchers is an American who is obtaining aerial photos of Mt. Ararat from the CIA collection. The Holy Quran describes the story of Prophet Noah (peace be on him), his building of the Ark, the people who joined him and the Flood in detail. The water started gushing out from a particular oven, followed by a large number of other springs as well as a heavy downpour from the sky. The following is note 46 to the verse 44 of Surah Hud 11 in A. A. Maududi's text, "Towards Understanding the Quran", vol. IV, pp. 102-4. Page 103 has the map of the Land of Noah's people and Mount Judi.
Mount Judi is situated to the north-east of the Island of Ibn 'Umar in Kurdistan. According to the Bible, the Ark's resting place was Ararat, which is the name of a particular mountain as well as of a whole range of mountains in Armenia. Ararat, in the sense of a mountain range, extends from the Armenian plateau to southern Kurdistan. The mount called Judi is part of this range and is known even today by the same name. In ancient historical accounts, Mount Judi is mentioned as the place where the Ark rested. Around 250 B.C., a Babylonian priest, Berasus, wrote a history of his country based on Chaldean traditions. He mentions Judi as the resting-place of Noah's Ark. The history written by Abydenus, a disciple of Aristotle, also corroborates this. Abydenus further remarks that many people in Mesopotamia possessed pieces of the Ark which they used as a charm. They ground those pieces in water and gave the preparation to the sick so as to cure them of their ailments.
In connection with this great incident one is also faced with the question of whether the Flood was universal or whether it was limited to the area inhabited by the people of Noah. This question remains unanswered to this day. Under the influence of Israelite traditions, it is believed that it was a universal Flood (Genesis 7: 18-24). The Qur'an, however, does not explicitly say so. There are several allusions in the Qur'an which indicate that subsequent generations of mankind are the descendants of those who were saved from the Flood. But that does not necessarily mean that the Flood covered the whole world. For, it is quite plausible that at that point in history the human population was confined only to the area which was overtaken by the Flood, and that those born after the Flood gradually dispersed to other parts of the world. This view is supported by two things. Firstly, ancient historical traditions, archaeological discoveries and geological data provide evidence that a great flood took place at some period in the distant past in the Tigris-Euphrates region. There is no such evidence for a universal flood. Secondly, traditions about a great flood have been popular among all communities of the world down the ages. Such traditions are found even in the folklore of such distant regions as Australia, America and New Guinea. One may thus conclude that at some time in the past the ancestors of all these communities lived together in some region which was overtaken by the Flood. Since presumably their descendants subsequently dispersed to, and settled down in, different parts of the world, they transmitted and preserved the traditions of this great Flood.
(For details see 'Towards Understanding the Quran, vol. III, al-Araf 7, n. 47, pp.37-8.) {End Note 46}
For relevant verses, see Surahs Hud and Al-Qamar in the Holy Quran :)
How is saying that no human knows for sure what is the point of things written in the Bible lying? Do you alone know what the authors were thinking? Some one that claims not to believe in God and then claims to be one, "all knowing".
One prospective as to the point of the story of Noah's ark maybe to persuade people to be less evil.
No, people don't know exactly why it was written, but then why were the greek myths written?
Why were Norse myths written? What about Hindu myths?
All these contrasting and differing stories were written down, yet it is all myth.
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And persuading people to be less evil? Yes, that must be it.
Murdering every wicked child and mother and father in the world is an excellent way to persuade people to be less evil, rather than just an assertion of god's dominion over the earth.
I do not know exactly why it was all written, but unless you invent magic and miracles to cover for every flaw in each story, I do not think such a story is possible for real.
If it is not possible for real, then the entire Bible is a book of myths, some half true, some not, and the very being the Bible is claiming to exist must also be myth. Even if there was a god, why in the world would it be the Christian god?
God is just and merciful, but Pagan son of Odin, your time has come. I raise my sword of Jesus to smite you and contend that you 'see' nothing at all, because you have gone blind with arrogance! On guard!
Noah, his wife, and their kids were responsible for repopulating the earth after the flood.. Explain the different races of the world.. How could four middle easterners, from the same family have made, Black, Asian, and White people..?
What if Noah is not a persons name, but rather means patriarch, follower, etc. and there were several Noahs. Or Noah's family is just one example of several people that built arks.
Who said the Bible needed to be error-free? Is it because one expects the Word of God to be perfect? Look at nature, God's creation, it's full of chaotic errors, random flaws, and insanely imperfect creatures. You would have to expect whoever created Man to be error-prone, look at his best Creation- Man!
I don't deal with errors because there is proof that the Bible is not contradictory.
For many years skeptics have worked very hard to find fault with the Bible. But through their incredible efforts, they have only managed stronger and stronger evidence proving just the opposite--that the Bible is in fact totally accurate. Some of the best evidence for Biblical accuracy comes from the field of archaeology where modern day research has unearthed solid evidence for the people, places, and events mention in the Bible. The Bible talks for example about a King named Herod. Recent archaeological digs have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that such a king did in fact exist, and lived right where and when the Bible says he did. For years historical scholars doubted Herod even existed, but now coins bearing Herod's name have been unearthed and proving that the Bible was right. Archaeological digs at Samaria, Caesarea, Jerusalem, Jericho, and Masada all have uncovered items proving the existence of King.
Other characters and places in the Bible are known to have existed through evidence provided by archaeology. For example archaeologists have unearthed the remains of King Solomon's palace and of the stables of Meggido. The pool of Bethesda in Jerusalem, described in the Bible has also been uncovered. Indeed, the land of Israel contains an abundance of historical treasures, and every single on of them, supports the Biblical account of history.
Noah's flood couldn't have happened. A wooden boat that big would leak and sink, it would be far too difficult to gather every species of animal and feed them, and there is no evidence for the flood.
There is evidence of a Great Flood that happen years ago. Did you know that marine fossils have been discovered even on the highest mountain peaks? It's a fact. But many people say "Those mountains weren't necessarily mountains when they were covered by water. Tectonic plates have been up heaved and lowered many time through history". True. But geology does provide evidence as we shall see, for massive flooding in every part of the world. And the evidence seems to indicate that although these Tectonic plates had collided to form mountains, they were still above what is now sea level when theses marine fossils developed. This means that there must have been a major flood, significant enough to have covered these tectonic plates.
I noticed that you don't address my arguments and you avoid them or try to change the topic. You asked in this debate description is there any evidence for the flood? I gave evidence above. And I provided evidence that the Bible is true if you read about its above but you avoid it and start talking about more flaws when I explained that the Bible doesn't have any flaws.
I can't correct everyone who says something that isn't true.
Have you read the Bible? If you can't see how it contradicts itself, then you are probably ignoring it.
The biggest contradiction I've noticed is with Judas, however I've included an image below which points out nearly every contradiction in the Bible.
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Matthew 27:3-8 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
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Acts 1:18-19
Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
What I said above was true because archaeologists dug up some some objects up from where specific locations are from Bible. If you actually read it said they found coins bearing King Herod's name on it ans secular scholars keep trying to find fault with the Bible but keep find stronger evidence that the Bible was a fact
Did you even read my first argument at all? It seems like you didn't.
Yes I read the Bible. I know it doesn't contradict itself becaus there was no contradiction in the Bible. Scientists confirmed that the Bible was not contradicted.
You CANNOT deny these contradictions because I WROTE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES WRITE IN MY POST.
Yes I can deny it. I looked at some of the verse and most of them aren't contradictions. Did you happen to read all of that? I read it some but not all.
Another point that proves the Bible is true is you used to be a Christian but you turned away from God and became an atheist. In the last days before Christ returns there will be people like you who followed Christ but turned away from Him.
And used to be Christian? I was taught to be Christian by my parents. Upon further research, I discovered that gods do not exist.
Not Zeus, not Yahweh, not Thor nor Ra.
No, I did not read all of it. Referring to the Judas contradiction- One passage says Judas felt guilt, threw the money into a temple and killed himself. The other says Judas did not feel guilt, and used the money to buy a field where he fell headfirst and burst open. That is a contradiction. Both cannot have happened. It was one or the other. Either Judas killed himself and kept the money, or he didn't keep the money and God killed him.
Unless you believe both at the same time, it is not possible for that to happen.
If you believe both at the same time, then I do not see a sane future for you.
The reason why I am denying is because most of them are not even contradictions. So its far from the truth.
One of them was it is ok to curse I looked at the verses one of the verse says that you can't curse and the other verse says that the person is cursed because they are dead in their sins and not born again by Jesus Christ.
Bible is error. some parts of it has changed by poeple that irresponsible. im sure that the Old Bible that released first, it was true at all. not such now, it wasnt better. i also believe that, the contents of the Bible was much wrong, and deviate from the basic of Bible truely.
If you read above how I said about how many people keep trying to find fault with the Bible but they keep getting stronger and stronger evidence to support the Bible
