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What made me Christian. What made me Atheist
Debate Score:71
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Christians and Atheists: What made you believe what you believe?

What made me Christian.

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What made me Atheist

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6 points

I'm not a Chriatian (shocker…), but, the obvious answer is they were indoctrinated from birth by their Christian parents. Religion is learned, and therefore, taught, by parents of children, thus passing on flawed beliefs onto the next generation.

We are all born atheists.

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And to the people who supposedly converted to Christianity, how many drugs were you high on when you made that decision?

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And now I will sit and watch my efficiency plummet. ;)

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2 points

Try pressing that "hide argument" button on that troll Kamekaze.

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Srom(12203) Disputed
2 points

We are all born athiests.

Actually no one is born an atheist. We don't know anything except the baby can feel there mom and dad and also the can only hear there mom and dad. You have to understand that babies just came into the world and they know nothing about God and religion so they will make a choice when they grow older whether or not to believe in God. They have to decide for themselves.

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Dremorius(861) Disputed
3 points

Actually no one is born an atheist.

Wrong

We don't know anything except the baby can feel there mom and dad and also the can only hear there mom and dad. You have to understand that babies just came into the world and they know nothing about God and religion so they will make a choice when they grow older whether or not to believe in God.

He does understand... and what you are talking about there is Atheism.

"You have to understand that babies just came into the world and they know nothing about God and religion"

^^^Atheism^^^ Look up the definition if you're unsure.

They have to decide for themselves.

Sometimes this is not the case.

It's clear that you were indoctrinated at a young age, cementing Christianity in your mind. It explains why you are okay with God murdering children-"He who curses their mother or father must be put to death," Leviticus 20:9 and it also explains how you are okay with slavery- "Slaves, obey your masters," Colossians 3:22.

It makes you rationalize the unrationable.

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2 points

Actually no one is born an atheist.

Well I'm pretty sure we don't know shit about religion when we're babies; so yeah, we have no religion... so we are atheists.

We don't know anything except the baby can feel there mom and dad and also the can only hear there mom and dad.

You just contradicted yourself and proved my point

You have to understand that babies just came into the world and they know nothing about God and religion so they will make a choice when they grow older whether or not to believe in God.

Another contradiction, another point proven.

They have to decide for themselves.

Really? I hadn't figured that out by now...

Side: What made me Christian.
1 point

I agree. Atheism is "the rejection of belief in the existence of deities." Newborn babies don't have the cognitive ability to reject a belief in anything. So they're not born atheist.

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Th3ZViru5(149) Disputed
1 point

I'm a Christian and I'm not "indoctrinated." I've been through a lot of hell in my life, such that would make anyone else seriously question their faith, and I'm closer to God than ever. Before you take the initiative to answer for Christians and/or believers, you might want to be one first.

And to those who are like Apollo, how's the "logical" path coming along?

Side: What made me Atheist
Apollo(1608) Disputed
2 points

I'm a Christian

I will be brutally honest with you. Every time anyone begins a statement with that, a huge RED FLAG goes up in my head. I know from then on not to take the rest of the statement seriously. It's illogical and ad hominem, but I have found it to be quite accurate.

I'm not "indoctrinated."

BS. I will bet five bucks that your parents were Christian and you were forced to go to church with them, taught religious beliefs without question. That is the definition of indoctrination.

Before you take the initiative to answer for Christians and/or believers, you might want to be one first.

Actually, statistics back me up, so no. I will take factual evidence over another's personal experience any day.

And to those who are like Apollo, how's the "logical" path coming along?

What do you think this "logical path" is?

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I see no reason why your efficiency would plummet. There is nothing to dispute in your argument, as it was correct, except the part about being high when converted to Christianity.

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1 point

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1 point

I grew up in a Christian house hold but that did not hepl me make a choice. I experienced life for myself and witnessed the power of God which others may see as a stroke of luck.

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1 point

What made me believe in God is that my parents showed me how loving they are in the Lord Jesus Christ. So I decided to ask them about what they believed. They explained it to me and they said its your choice to believe in God or not, we are not forcing you to believe in Jesus. I decided I should believe in Jesus because I understood about God and I reasearched a lot about it. Then I decided to be a Christian and I will never forsake God.

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3 points

Thank you for completely proving my point (see my argument above).

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1 point

I'd rather believe in God than die to find out there isn't one than not believe and die to find out there is.

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ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
5 points

Pascal's wager is a mathematical failure. What if you die and Allah is waiting, or Vishnu, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? It is much more likely that you have picked the wrong God.

So there is a third option, which is you believing in God, dying, and finding another God there.

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FreeWill(120) Disputed
1 point

It's all the more likely that God and Allah are the same being. They have been known of for roughly the same time, have similar ways of teaching, and both sent down Messiahs to deliver their messages.God doesn't have one form, elsewise all of His teaching would be irrelevant today.

Besides, God and Allah are the only ones that have sirvived from ancient culture to this day. All the others have died out, and have been forgotten. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is likely also goong to die out.

Besides, there are only two options on the board: Athiesm and Christianity. By your logic, Christianity is putting money on the most likely horse and having a good chance of winning, while Athiesm puts money on no horse and losing it needlessly.

Be perfectly clear though, there are athiests who have done immeasurable good. As long as they don't hate religion, I respect them. But not even taking a chance is confusing to me.

Side: What made me Christian.

i was lucky enough to be brought up to believe in god.

but the point where i reall count myself a christian is around the ageof 13 where i really began to question, do i actually believe in god or is it just what ive been brought up on.

and there was about 6 months where i questioned it and pondered what i thought on the issueand in the end i concluded that i did believe, purely because i couldnt bring myself to believe that everything in the wolrd was pure chance and that i hadnt been guided to where i am today.

not long after that god visitedme in a dream which was so profound and explained not only what i was going through at the minute but everything i would go through in the upcoming months and years. im still not completely through but when i woke up i was just like. ok, lets do it.

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5 points

I am an agnostic atheist because although my mother took me to church for a few years, she didnt want to force religion on me. She felt that it was important for me to be exposed to it to broaden my experience but because i hated it so much I never had to go after the age of ~7.

Then I learned more about various religions of the world and realized that there are so many - that each is an attempt to rationalize the human experience. In college I took a philosophy of religion course and learned even more about the inconsistancies and broad assumptions that many religions have/make and recognized that there was no real basis for religion, except that of historical precedent. I took many courses in many fields to broaden my perspective of existence and came to the realization that for all intents and purposes, religions came into existence because of philosophical, ontological, sociological, psychological, and anthropological dynamics but that because we didnt know enough about the objective world in which we live we anthropomorphized and projected every which way to quell the fears within each of us that are inherent to our existence.

I learned how to think phenomenologically and once you get to that point religion is nothing but a phenomenon among all phenomena and is nothing more or less special than anything else. Religion is a memic construct, invalid to the objective world, and arbitrarily restrictive to the subjective world.

Side: What made me Atheist
1 point

I was a weak agnostic for years, having researched religion since '97 and left Christianity in '01.

To me, no one seemed to be capable of defending their religious positions without seriously flawed reasoning, and I made the decision to genuinely suspend judgment unless/until I saw sufficiently valid arguments for or against any or either of them. But then one day, I encountered this article: http://atheismblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/ faux-agnosticism.html, which caused a seismic shift in the way I perceived the question of God's existence. Why did I view the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic deity as debatable, whereas the Norse, Greek, Roman and Egyptian ones, say, were obviously conceived in an age of ignorance and credulity? If a modern-day pagan reconstructionist walked up to me and proffered a million arguments as to why I should worship his/her gods, I'd think that this person could benefit from a stay at the local psychiatric hospital, no matter how sophisticated the apologetic.

The main reasons for my remaining agnostic were twofold:

1. I had been culturally conditioned to believe that Yahweh-Allah existed or was at least more likely to exist than other deities of this or past eras.

2. The psychological/emotional benefits offered by belief in immortality and divine justice outweighed, on some level, the detriments of atheism.

Well, that's my journey for now; any requests for further info are welcome!

Side: What made me Atheist
3 points

i believe that Christians always thinks that their believes is the "right" religion but there is no such thing as a "right" religion

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1 point

why just christians, surely all religions think their religion is right.

but by definition one of them must be right, i mean the bible tells us not to worship idols so i dont really understand your arguement

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Pito(27) Disputed
1 point

The only way anyone can reach the conclusion that any of them are right and internally consistent is by presupposing the validity of one over against the other from the outset.

May I suggest this link: http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2007/ 03/outsider-test-for-faith.html.

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2 points

Raised in a deeply atheist household. My mother is, my grandparents were, their grandparents were. It's a family of atheists. I'd say I'm probably the only anti-theist though.

And yet, I was sent to a Christian primary school. I have absolutely no idea why, there are plenty of secular schools in my town. However, this somewhat enforced my lack of belief. We always sang hymns for half an hour, and had to pray at the end of assemblies, and do more RE than we did science. Being the advanced little 6-10 year old I was, I thought the whole thing was stupid. I wondered why the creator of everything needed worshiping. I had these thoughts throughout my primary education, but never piped up. I just sat down and went with it.

When I started secondary school though, I capitalised on the thoughts. I started to research the existence of God, looking at the arguments. And, I'll admit, for about 6 months or so, I was more inclined to theism than atheism.

But two things completely flipped this. The four horsemen of atheism (Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett, Harris). And quantum mechanics. This mixture of science and philosophy made me what I am for now, an anti-theist. Although, I should point out, I have nothing against the religious. I have a lot against religion.

Who knows though, I could flip again one day.

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1 point

There was really nothing inparticular that made me have the beliefs I do, it was more so, the lack of things I found believable.

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1 point

Religion and God didn't make sense at all. It all seemed so far fetched to me that some guy in the sky made everything.

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Raised in a very Religious household, I kind of said to myself: "why is this mythical man receiving credit for all the actions of mankind?" In my opinion, mankind rules himself/herself. What intruigues me the most is that after religion was instituted in the minds of men, wars and arguments broke out. So many religions to "choose". I became and atheist because to me, it seems really far fetched that there is an all powerful "god" out there who created everything.

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