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Are Christians followers of Christ?
So many Christians claim that they are followers of The Messiah, yet, they don't follow anything that The Messiah did. Christ never celebrated Christmas and all these other worldly holidays; Christ never ate unclean meats; The Messiah never broke the LAWS; The Messiah kept the Shabbat Holy; The Messiah celebrated HOLYdays, etc.... all these things that the so called "Christians" do today, The Messiah never did them.
So why is it that "Christians" say they are followers of Christ if they never actually follow anything Christ has ever done?
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jesus, in his earthly life, was a devout jew. he BROUGHT us, if you will, the new religion of Christianity thru his death and resurrection. in reality he interceded for us with God. we are weak. we fail repeatedly. we stumble and fail. but its not on our own merit, but grace that we claim the title. Side: YES
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Fact is that we dont have to sacrifice animals anymore for our sins, all we have to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness for our sins and He cleanses us right then and there. CLEAN SLATE. God knew we could not keep all those laws so He sent Jesus as an ultimate sacrifice to pay the full price of our sins. Side: YES
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So if we can't keep the Laws, why does God tells us to keep the Laws still? Christianity is like swiss cheese, to many holes in it. Christianity is the beast with a bunch of lies. John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments. {Christians keep no commandments, therefore they do not love God.} 1 John 5:3 - For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. {Christians show God no love because they don't keep the commandments, so again, Christians don't love God, they hate HIM.} 1 John 2:4 - 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. {You Christians are liars saying that you know God, yet you keep not HIS COMMANDMENTS. By the way, there is an "s" at the end of commandments, meaning more than one law.} Revelation 14:12 - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. {You Christians are not saints because ya'll don't keep any laws. That is the reason why there is so much adultery, fortification, idolatry, etc... going on in those satanic churches, ya'll don't keep any laws. Ya'll got women teaching, child molesters, etc... just wickedness upon all the churches.} Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. {Christ said do not think that I came to destroy the laws or the prophets; Christ did not come to destroy the Law as you wicked Christians basically say He did. He did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill, let's get a precept to better understand, "I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill for you lying Christians} Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. {Christ just said the Law of Moses must be fulfilled, so how are the Laws done away with? Damn lying Christians, wicked as hell.} Side: NO
You are ignorant.. how can one make a stereotype for a whole religion(2,184,060,000 Christian people in 2010) You haven't studied their actions to see what deems them "child molesters" or "wicked" , nor can you make a guess for all the Christian population based on the few you have seen. You haven't been in every church, surely, so how can you determine that there is wickedness upon all the churches(250,000 protestant churches in America alone) Your weak attempt at a debate is as holey as swiss cheese as well. Side: YES
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Your right, I haven't studied Christianity, because I was in it. I followed all the wickedness Christians do and I believed in the lies they taught. Christianity never made sense to me. Just like with the whole, "Holy Trinity" garbage. It never made sense how Christ was born only of the Holy Spirit, but He had a genealogy, that contradicted what the false prophet taught. Side: NO
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What is this nonsense coming out of your mouth Yahshraela??? The Bible clearly states that Jesus came to save the world. John 3:16-17 says "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." I may not know all the scriptures, but i know enough to say that all your words on here are not in line with scripture. Side: YES
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The Bible clearly states that Jesus came to save the world. John 3:16-17 says "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." {This is the reason why Christians don't understand the Bible. Ya'll see one verse and take it completely out of context. Precept MUST be upon Precept -Isa 28:10.} John 3:16 For the Most High so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
World - A particular class of people, with common interests, aims, etc. Particular - 1. Of or pertaining to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general. 2. Distinguished or different from others or from the ordinary; noteworthy; marked; unusual. 3. Specific, peculiar (Exodus 19:5-6, Deuteronomy 26:15-19,1 Peter 2:9, Psalms 135:4,), special, detail, item.
Precepts to John 3:16: Luke 2:14 Glory to the Most High in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Romans 5:8 But the Most High commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Titus 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of the Most High our Saviour toward man appeared, Precept to John 3:16: 2 Esdras 7:10-11 And I said, It is so, the Most High.Then said he unto me, Even so also is Israel's portion. 11 Because for their sakes I made the world: and when Adam transgressed my statutes, then was decreed that now is done. (For the Most High so love the world, this seems like it is talking about the whole world and all the Nations, this is not. This is talking about the children of israel. If you read the precept to John 3:16 you will see that the world was made for israel sake.) John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? (Judas as the Messiah this "how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?" Notice he said us, Judas was a Israelites and he further said, and not unto the world? So in John 3:16 it isnt talking about the whole world, its talking about a nationality of a people. Continue to read on in this study lesson for more understanding.) John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. Precept to John 17:9: 1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of the Most High, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. (The Messiah says that he "pray for them and not the world". The Messiah said he pray not for the world. The (them) are the Hebrew Israelites/Jews in which he was sent to redeem them for their sins.) John 6:37-39 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. Precepts to John 6:37: Job 8:20 Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers: Isaiah 1:18-19 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Most High: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the Most High, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Most High of hosts is his name: Jeremiah 33:25-26 Thus saith the Most High; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 2 Timothy 2:19 Neertheless the foundation of the Most High standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. Precepts to John 6:38: Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Precepts to John 6:39: Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in the Most High. (In John 6:39 it says "that of all which he hath given me" meaning there is a different between everybody in the Earth and a group of people that the Most High gave to the Messiah and that group of people is the Children of Israel. Then it goes on and give us a clue to who those people are, when it says "but should raise it up again". That word again is very important, because of that people who the Father gave the Messiah he will raise them up again at the last day. In order to be raised up again you had to be up at one point before then taken down. You can't be raised up again if you was never up in the first place. Lets continue to read for more understanding.) Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the Most High thy power: the Most High thy power hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Precepts to Deuteronomy 7:6: Psalms 135:4 For the Most High hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure. Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (This is Moses speaking to the Children of Israel. It says "above all people that are upon the face of the earth". The word above mean up. So we see that Israel was set up above all the people upon the face of the earth by the Most High. The Nation of Israel received these blessing, but later on fell as a nation due their disobedient. Continue to read.) Baruch 2:1-2 Therefore the Most High hath made good his word, which he pronounced against us, and against our judges that judged Israel, and against our kings, and against our princes, and against the men of Israel and Juda, 2 To bring upon us great plagues, such as never happened under the whole heaven, as it came to pass in Jerusalem, according to the things that were written in the law of Moses; (In Baruch we see that we were Kings, Princes, and Judges of the earth. This also lets us know that we (Nation of Israel) were above all the people upon the face of the earth. Thats why we see the words restore, Thats why in John 17:9 the Messiah said "I pray for them: I pray not for the world,". and in John 6:39 he said "but should raise it up again at the last day", meaning raise the Nation of Israel back again. As we read in Baruch we were up as a Nation, but due to our disobedient and not obey the voice of the Most High we fell as a Nation and all the curses mentioned in Deuteronomy 28:15-68 came upon us for our disobedient.) Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Restore - 1. To bring back into existence, use, or the like; reestablish. 2. To give back; make return or restitution of (anything taken away or lost). Precepts to Acts 1:6: Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Amos 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: (The disciple as the Messiah this question "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?". Israel was the Nation that was up but fell and that needed to be restored again, thats why the Messiah said in John 17:9 "I pray for them: I pray not for the world,". and in John 6:39 he said "but should raise it up again at the last day", meaning raise the Nation of Israel back up again. We know that John 3:16 isn't talking about everybody in the World, its talking about a group of people. Look at the Definition for the word world. World - A particular class of people, with common interests, aims, etc. Since we know that the word world also means a Particular class of people, with common interests, and aims we know understand thats why the Messiah said in John 17:9 "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, the them is the Nation of Israel".) John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of the Most High, which taketh away the sin of the world. Precepts to John 1:29: Exodus 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of the Most High sent forth into all the earth. 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of the Most High and our Father: Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to the Most High, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. 1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (John said "which taketh away the sin of the world". We have to know understand who sin did the Messiah come and take away from the world. Continue to read for more understanding.) Acts 5:30-31 The Most High of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath the Most High exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Precepts to Acts 5:30: Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. Precepts to Acts 5:31: Philippians 2:9 Wherefore the Most High also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (Yashaya): for he shall save his people from their sins. Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: (According to verse 31 the Messiah came to take away the sins of Israel. Please read these Precepts Matthew 1:21, Ephesians 1:17, & Colossians 1:14, to see that he came to take away the sins of Israel.) Conclusion The whole conclusion of John 3:16 when it says "For the Most High so loved the world" this cant mean everybody its talking about a specific group of people, and that specific group of people is the Children of Israel. We also know by one of the definition of the word World which mean, A particular class of people, with common interests, aims,etc. I have went through the scriptures and proved who that group of people were and that's the Children of Israel, who are Hebrew Israelites/Jews. Israel is so Holy as a Nation that the Most High created the world for their sake. Gentiles (the other nations) can obtain salvation, but their duty will be to serve Israel. 2 Esdras 7:10-11 And I said, It is so, the Most High. Then said he unto me, Even so also is Israel's portion. 11 Because for their sakes I made the world: and when Adam transgressed my statutes, then was decreed that now is done. Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Precepts to Matthew 15:24: Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Acts 3:25-26 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of the Most High should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. Side: NO
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I understand the Bible well enough to know that you are twisting scripture around to try to prove me wrong Yahshraela. That is not of God and im calling you out on it, if you really know the Bible. one thing is for sure I will not be phased by you. Im telling the scripture as it is in Jesus Name, and Jesus Christ is my witness and HE will expose your lies to the light! Side: YES
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I'm not twisting the Scripture, I gave you the verse but ya'll just don't like the truth. Christianity lied about what Christ really looks like, what else is Christianity lying about? Wicked devils; ya'll will see when Christ returns for Israel. Enjoy this kingdom now because it's almost over and our Kingdom is next :) Side: NO
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Your kingdom? I totally support Israel, but you are going way too far, i know for a fact when Jesus Christ returns, He will set things right and allow ALL believers to enjoy eternal life. I rebuke your words in Jesus Name. Yahshraela, you must have never come up against someone who actually will put you in your place. Its time for all these lies of yours to be exposed to the light of Christ. Its time for the Brothers and Sisters in Christ to stand up and speak out the TRUTH. https://www.youtube.com/ Side: YES
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It sure is, and that is why the REAL JEWS are standing up and speaking the truth about the Scriptures. Pretty soon ya'll will began persecuting us as we continue reuniting as a nation. You continue living in sin and transgressing the Law, continue following your false prophets. You will be destroyed. Side: NO
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Why are you saying Jews are like better than other people? You have an extremely twisted view of Jesus Christ. Jews are sinners just like the rest of us, they need Jesus just as much as we do. Also why will we be destroyed? Jesus promised us eternal life if we just believe in Him. I dont know who put into your mind that the Jews are so perfect, but they are not. I respect them as God's chosen people, but when one of them starts talking nonsense about Jews being better than Gentiles, that is when the Holy Spirit tells me there is something seriously wrong here. God does not show favoritism. He loves everyone and wants no one to perish. May the Lord Jesus Christ deal with you accordingly Yahshraela, and humble you before Him. You are not God, its HIS KINGDOM that is coming, not yours, and HE decides who is in it and not you. so knock this nonsense off right now. Side: YES
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How can you say they are Jews when The Most High God says they are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. The so called blacks and latinos are the children of the trans-atlantic slave trade and also fit the slavery prophecy, so the fact that you don't even know that those are impostors lets me know you don't know the Bible. -Deu 28:15-68. I'm not saying that we are better than the non Israelites, God is saying that. The real Israelites are God's chosen people, that's coming from the Bible not me. The problem with you Christians is that you read the Bible like a novel. You read the Bible but don't even understand what you are reading. Nehemiah 8:8 - So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading. So they read in the book of the law of God distinctly, they didn't just read, they read distinctly, and gave the sense of what they were reading to help them understand the reading. You Christians just read and jump all over the place to cause confusion. Matthew 22:29 - Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Ya'll don't know the Scriptures. That is why there is so many contradictions in Christianity. We give ya'll Christians the Scriptures but ya'll ignore them, so whats the point in showing ya'll the Bible if you don't even believe in what the Scriptures say. All ya'll do is twist the Bible to fit in with the modern day. So you can continue believe that God loves every one, when in fact HE doesn't because HE hates white people (Esau). Malachi 1:3 - And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Romans 9:13 - As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Now please tell me who is Esau because as most Christians do, your going to tell me that those two verses mean something completely different than what they say, so tell me what those verses me and tell me who Esau is today? If you can't tell me who Esau is today and you don't know who you are according to the Bible, don't try to teach me your lies because I'm not falling for those wicked Christian lies anymore. Side: NO
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This is from God to you Yahshraela, replace Job's name with yours, because i believe the Lord has had it with your lies. "The Lord Speaks 38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said: 2 “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? 3 Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone— 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels[a] shouted for joy? 8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb, 9 when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness, 10 when I fixed limits for it and set its doors and bars in place, 11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt’? 12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning, or shown the dawn its place, 13 that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? 14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. 15 The wicked are denied their light, and their upraised arm is broken. 16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? 17 Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness? 18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this. 19 “What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? 20 Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? 21 Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years! 22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle? 24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed, or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth? 25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain, and a path for the thunderstorm, 26 to water a land where no one lives, an uninhabited desert, 27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland and make it sprout with grass? 28 Does the rain have a father? Who fathers the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens 30 when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen? 31 “Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades? Can you loosen Orion’s belt? 32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c] or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs? 33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth? 34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with a flood of water? 35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way? Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’? 36 Who gives the ibis wisdom[f] or gives the rooster understanding?[g] 37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds? Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens 38 when the dust becomes hard and the clods of earth stick together? 39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness and satisfy the hunger of the lions 40 when they crouch in their dens or lie in wait in a thicket? 41 Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food? Job 39 New International Version (NIV) 39 “Do you know when the mountain goats give birth? Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn? 2 Do you count the months till they bear? Do you know the time they give birth? 3 They crouch down and bring forth their young; their labor pains are ended. 4 Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds; they leave and do not return. 5 “Who let the wild donkey go free? Who untied its ropes? 6 I gave it the wasteland as its home, the salt flats as its habitat. 7 It laughs at the commotion in the town; it does not hear a driver’s shout. 8 It ranges the hills for its pasture and searches for any green thing. 9 “Will the wild ox consent to serve you? Will it stay by your manger at night? 10 Can you hold it to the furrow with a harness? Will it till the valleys behind you? 11 Will you rely on it for its great strength? Will you leave your heavy work to it? 12 Can you trust it to haul in your grain and bring it to your threshing floor? 13 “The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully, though they cannot compare with the wings and feathers of the stork. 14 She lays her eggs on the ground and lets them warm in the sand, 15 unmindful that a foot may crush them, that some wild animal may trample them. 16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers; she cares not that her labor was in vain, 17 for God did not endow her with wisdom or give her a share of good sense. 18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run, she laughs at horse and rider. 19 “Do you give the horse its strength or clothe its neck with a flowing mane? 20 Do you make it leap like a locust, striking terror with its proud snorting? 21 It paws fiercely, rejoicing in its strength, and charges into the fray. 22 It laughs at fear, afraid of nothing; it does not shy away from the sword. 23 The quiver rattles against its side, along with the flashing spear and lance. 24 In frenzied excitement it eats up the ground; it cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds. 25 At the blast of the trumpet it snorts, ‘Aha!’ It catches the scent of battle from afar, the shout of commanders and the battle cry. 26 “Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom and spread its wings toward the south? 27 Does the eagle soar at your command and build its nest on high? 28 It dwells on a cliff and stays there at night; a rocky crag is its stronghold. 29 From there it looks for food; its eyes detect it from afar. 30 Its young ones feast on blood, and where the slain are, there it is.” 6 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm: 7 “Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. 8 “Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself? 9 Do you have an arm like God’s, and can your voice thunder like his? 10 Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor, and clothe yourself in honor and majesty. 11 Unleash the fury of your wrath, look at all who are proud and bring them low, 12 look at all who are proud and humble them, crush the wicked where they stand. 13 Bury them all in the dust together; shroud their faces in the grave. 14 Then I myself will admit to you that your own right hand can save you. 15 “Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly! 17 Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit. 18 Its bones are tubes of bronze, its limbs like rods of iron. 19 It ranks first among the works of God, yet its Maker can approach it with his sword. 20 The hills bring it their produce, and all the wild animals play nearby. 21 Under the lotus plants it lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh. 22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow; the poplars by the stream surround it. 23 A raging river does not alarm it; it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth. 24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes, or trap it and pierce its nose? Job 41 New International Version (NIV) 41 [a]“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook or tie down its tongue with a rope? 2 Can you put a cord through its nose or pierce its jaw with a hook? 3 Will it keep begging you for mercy? Will it speak to you with gentle words? 4 Will it make an agreement with you for you to take it as your slave for life? 5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird or put it on a leash for the young women in your house? 6 Will traders barter for it? Will they divide it up among the merchants? 7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons or its head with fishing spears? 8 If you lay a hand on it, you will remember the struggle and never do it again! 9 Any hope of subduing it is false; the mere sight of it is overpowering. 10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it. Who then is able to stand against me? 11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me. 12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs, its strength and its graceful form. 13 Who can strip off its outer coat? Who can penetrate its double coat of armor[b]? 14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth, ringed about with fearsome teeth? 15 Its back has[c] rows of shields tightly sealed together; 16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between. 17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted. 18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light; its eyes are like the rays of dawn. 19 Flames stream from its mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. 20 Smoke pours from its nostrils as from a boiling pot over burning reeds. 21 Its breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from its mouth. 22 Strength resides in its neck; dismay goes before it. 23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable. 24 Its chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone. 25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before its thrashing. 26 The sword that reaches it has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin. 27 Iron it treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood. 28 Arrows do not make it flee; slingstones are like chaff to it. 29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw; it laughs at the rattling of the lance. 30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge. 31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment. 32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it; one would think the deep had white hair. 33 Nothing on earth is its equal— a creature without fear. 34 It looks down on all that are haughty; it is king over all that are proud.” This is your final warning Yahshraela, repent before you are left behind when the rapture happens. Then you will face Antichrist and his 7 year rule on earth. Side: YES
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So you keep every law that is in the old testament? I know you dont, because you are human just like i am and we make mistakes. This is why i choose to follow Jesus Christ, because i dont have to follow so many old testament rules like the Jews had to. In fact if the Jews would just believe in Jesus Christ and ask Him into their hearts, they would not be under the laws but under grace. Am i going to hell for not following the laws of Moses, certainly not! I am bought by the blood of Jesus Christ, and i will not answer your questions because i know what is truth and He has set me free. YOUR GRACE IS ENOUGH, YOUR GRACE IS ENOUGH, YOUR GRACE IS ENOUGH FOR ME / https://www.youtube.com/ Side: YES
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Christian just means that you follow Christ. That's why I'm asking are Christians followers of Christ because they certainly don't follow anything Christ did. In fact, they do the opposite. To them Christ died so that they can continue sinning, apparently, to them, He came to destroy the Law but the Bible says we must still keep the Law. That is the reason why Revelation 14:12 says, " Here is the patience of the saints:here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Christians keep no commandments, therefore they are all going to be destroyed. Christians worship Jesus instead of God taking the power away from The Most High God of Israel, yes Christ must to be acknowledged as the Savior of Israel, but He is not to be worshiped, etc.... Christ never did any of these things and that is the reason why Christians are wicked they do the opposite of the Bible. Side: NO
I agree that Christians are often hypocrites. I was cyber bullied by Christians until I was suicidal. My approach is to reorm the Christian faith instead of leaving it. Please know that there are Christians out there who support gay and bisexual rights as well as the rights of women. Side: NO
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Hang on. Sorry for jumping in here, but this is one of the worst things you can say to someone. You're saying "well you didn't have to be hurt by their words because you didn't have to listen to them." You're basically saying "why did you let them hit you with bullets you when you could have pretended they weren't shooting at you." Side: NO
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Yeah man, Christians are the most hypocritical people. I used to be one of them and I saw how much gossip, adultery and all this wickedness occurred in the churches that I attended. LGB is not supported in the Bible. God clearly states that homosexuals will die, they will not inherit the kingdom because homosexuality is an abomination, which is worse than sin. This is why I say Christians are not followers of Christ, they do the opposite of what Christ did. Side: YES
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I'll give you one piece of advice for bullies. Just laugh at them, it pisses them off even more. Bullies are weak individuals that have to put another person down to make themselves feel tough, but in actual reality, they are wimps. Bullies are always getting a beat down from those they've bullied, that's what I find funny. They are all bark, no bite. So just laugh at those ignorant fools and respond with "okay" then ignore them. All they want is attention. :) Side: YES
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Of course we are banned from Saintnow's debate. Surprise, surprise! There is also a miscalculation when BC and AD began to mark time. It is about four years difference. It's a known historical adjustment, we had already established years so historians couldn't change it, so it just known. It's unfortunate and can add confusion. But my opinion is that we are not to know the day or hour, and we should be ready anyway. And people who don't want to see the truth of God, God lets them stay in darkness, and if four years off by a mistake of historians is enough of an excuse to dismiss God, they probably weren't going to be His, even if He sat down beside you and showed them everything Himself. It's pretty amazing to mark all time as a standard for all to identify years in history, to go from a few non-violent non- militant believers who were persecuted, stoned, fed to lions, burned alive, etc to then fulfilling prophesies, many peophesies, about the Jewish Messiah going out to be a faith for all people of all Nations, a miracle in itself. There are many that prophesy this. Re: Census Bethlehem At one time, it was thought that Luke had completely missed the boat concerning the events he portrayed surrounding the birth of Christ (Luke 2:1-5). Critics argued that there was no census and that everyone did not have to return to their ancestral home. They also pointed out that Josephus had dated the governorship of Quirinius of Syria, whom Luke mentions, as beginning in A.D. 6, too late for the birth of Christ. In every case, however, archaeological discoveries proved the critics to be wrong. In the case of Quirinius, it was found that he had actually served two separate terms as governor, the first beginning around 7 B.C., which fits perfectly with the time of Christ's birth. F. F. Bruce, one of the most respected of New Testament scholars, noted that where Luke has been suspected of inaccuracy by modern critics, archaeology has again and again proved Luke to be right and the critics wrong. The evidence begs the question that if Luke was this careful to get his facts right about names, places, events and dates, can we not be confident that he was just as careful to get his facts right concerning the more important things about which he reported, such as the virgin birth of Jesus Christ? Side: YES
This scripture prophesy also have a cluster of prophesies that would need to be fullfilled for each to be fulfilled. So prophetic intrusion by God in His Word, takes predictions to prophesy, which is predictions based on possibility, to prophesy - pre-written history, which is complicated. But it also knits prophesies together in clusters like cells, building history. Complicating even miracles of prophesy to clusters of prophesies ALL needing to be fullfilled for the next in a cluster. If you really look at prophesy, and realize it's difference from "predictions" Then you realize prophesy is like layers, with many prophesies knit together like cells all dependent on each other for each individual fulfillment, I think it's a greater feat than cells mutating and accidentally on purpose resulting in intellegent design! My argument is God has proven Himself through history, as the Bible was being written. Can you show me how it's not detailed in prophesy with an accuracy as if history was knit together, as your cells in evolution? And can you show me any historical documentations of the Bible that is riddled with inaccuracies? Another Prophesy: Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead. (Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to 13th power.) . Side: YES
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If they do not abide by Christian principals, then they are not followers of Christ. They should not be doing anything at all that Christ never did. Christ didn't celebrate Christmas and it's not the day He was born, the Bible tells us when He was born. Christ kept the Holy days and the Sabbath. Christ kept the Laws, so everything that these Christians do today, is not what Christ did, therefore they are not followers of Christ. They are followers of their emotions. Side: NO
They should not be doing anything at all that Christ never did Christ never spoke English, typed on a keyboad, or used the internet. The fact that you don't do these things well does not negate the fact that you are clearly attempting to do things that Christ never did. Be gone blasphemer. Side: YES
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Christ never spoke English, typed on a keyboad, or used the internet. The fact that you don't do these things well does not negate the fact that you are clearly attempting to do things that Christ never did. Be gone blasphemer. What does any of this have to do with keeping the commandments? Man, you just need to shut your damn mouth and kick rocks else where. You are making yourself look real stupid. Stop trying to act like you know the Bible because you don't know jack about the Bible. You are damn Edomite that don't know jack...idiot. Side: YES
What does any of this have to do with keeping the commandments? Your internet use has nothing to do with keeping the commandments. Neither does Thanksgiving or the 4th of July or myriad other activities that are not mentioned in the bible. The problem is that you are damning others for doing things that you are doing, namely anything that Christ didn't do. Man, you just need to shut your damn mouth and kick rocks else where I've never heard of that commandment so I will ignore it. You are making yourself look real stupid Great rebuttal. You are so good with words. You are damn Edomite that don't know jack...idiot You are a sodomite that knows jack better than you let on :) Side: YES
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Your internet use has nothing to do with keeping the commandments. Neither does Thanksgiving or the 4th of July or myriad other activities that are not mentioned in the bible. The problem is that you are damning others for doing things that you are that you are doing, which is anything that Christ didn't do. Wow, like I said, keep your mouth shut and stop trying to put your beliefs in with the Bible. Holidays and Holy days are two different things moron. If Christians celebrate holidays instead of Holy days they are break a commandment because that is worshiping false idols;different gods (Exodus 20:3). Christians put other gods before the real God. Your forefathers gave us these holidays to replace our Holy days. The Bible has nothing to do with you, you are Esau you are going into slavery, why even bother posting on this debate? Christ called the gentiles dogs (Matthew 15:26). He didn't damn no one because those who were not Israel were a waste of His time; the other nations were nothing to Christ. That's the reason why He always talks to the JEWS and talks about ISRAEL. This post and myself must be that important for you to waste your time to post on this debate, thank you for making me your main priority :) I've never heard of that commandment so I will ignore it. Did I say that was a commandment? Twisting my words, typical Edomite. Great rebuttal. You are so good with words. Thank you...if you don't like the things that are said in debates, then get the hell off debating websites! :) You are a sodomite that knows jack better than you let on :) Esau, you are going into slavery. You will be my property, I will own you, for ever. You were created to serve us :). Sodom is your people, homosexuals, those are your people :). Side: YES
keep your mouth shut and stop trying to put your beliefs in with the Bible If I was your slave you could make me. If Christians celebrate holidays instead of Holy days they are break a commandment because that is worshiping false idols Calling it a holiday rather than a holy day removes the idea of worship from the celebration. I don't have to know anything about any book to know that you are showing text that says one thing while you pretend it says something else. \ Christ called the gentiles dogs So what, was he more of a cat person? You were created to serve us Then I was created poorly. Tell me, when I'm a slave, what will I be tasked with doing? I mean what will slavery be needed for? What stops slaves from revolting? Side: NO
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If I was your slave you could make me. I never said you are my slave; I said YOU WILL BE, meaning future tense. Calling it a holiday rather than a holy day removes the idea of worship from the celebration. I don't have to know anything about any book to know that you are showing text that says one thing while you pretend it says something else. \ So then why are you wasting your time on this debate? You were created to serve us Then I was created poorly. Tell me, when I'm a slave, what will I be tasked with doing? I mean what will slavery be needed for? What stops slaves from revolting? You were created poorly, for a reason, to serve Israel. You will be a slave. You will be our property, and work excessively hard, just as we are and have done in this world. I must be really important to you; I'm your main priority, thank you for making me more important :) Side: YES
I never said you are my slave; I said YOU WILL BE, meaning future tense All promise and no follow through. I know I know, there WILL be follow through. So then why are you wasting your time on this debate? I'm sure you wish I wouldn't. You will be our property, and work excessively hard, just as we are and have done in this world So that world will be essentially like this world? Wow... God is really great.... Side: NO
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I'm sure you wish I wouldn't. Yes, I wish you wouldn't because your remarks are dumb as hell. So that world will be essentially like this world? Wow... God is really great.... God is great because while ya'll are building our nation and serving us, we will be resting and worshiping The Most High God for eternity. Our world is a world with no end - Isaiah 45:17 Side: YES
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Meaning you have no idea how you will spend eternity. Sounds awesome... Oh I know how we will spend eternity, the Bible tells us, but I just want you to get to our Kingdom so that you can see how we are going to live and you and your people are going to live. We are saving the best part for the last. So, since ya'll seem continue escaping my questions, I never got an answer to this, what do yo believe in? Side: YES
I answered a long time ago and you ignored it. I believe in the God of reason. The works of my God are everywhere and yours are no where. The benefits my God brings are observable and knowable, while yours requires baseless faith. My God promises liberty and justice while yours promises slavery. Mine is real and apparent to all with eyes to see (even the atheist), while yours is the result of a frustrated, angry, and frightened little mind. Would you like to know the miraculous secrets revealed to the prophet Pythagoras now? Side: NO
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I answered a long time ago and you ignored it. I believe in the God of reason. The works of my God are everywhere and yours are no where. The benefits my God brings are observable and knowable, while yours requires baseless faith. My God promises liberty and justice while yours promises slavery. Mine is real and apparent to all with eyes to see (even the atheist), while yours is the result of a frustrated, angry, and frightened little mind. Sounds like a person, lol. Side: YES
I might have said something more in line with your thinking like "I believe in the God tom bombadil whose teachings were past down only to those of middle earth (white people) through the profit j r r Tolkien. If your gonna argue against me you must use only the hobbit series" Side: NO
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I might have said something more in line with your thinking like "I believe in the God tom bombadil whose teachings were past down only to those of middle earth (white people) through the profit j r r Tolkien. If your gonna argue against me you must use only the hobbit series" Hahahahahahaha lol, no thanks, I only deal with real world issues (The Bible), not cartoons. Side: YES
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Now if you want to say that the Bible is a cartoon and/or not real. Well what you are basically saying is that slavery wasn't and isn't real; racism isn't real; war isn't real, etc..... If none of that is real to you, then you need to get out of the homosexual fantasy land and enter the real world. Side: YES
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Oh all that is real, but a cartoon isn't real :). So you need to get out of that homosexual fantasy land and enter the real world :). A majority of homosexuals are white, nothing but filth you white demons get into with your cursed skin. Get out of here you red dragon with your red skin. Go hide in a dungeon where you are protected from the light that gives life. Ya'll need protection against the sun which gives life because ya'll is cursed with your red skin, you damn cave men. Side: YES
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Oh man, sunburn jokes are so offensive. It also seems that ancient sun worship lead this idea that white people are cursed. No worship lead to that idea, it acknowledged. You red devils need protection against the sun, why do ya'll need protection against the sun? Hey, have you ever stoned anybody? It seems to me that if you follow your story book exactly, you'll end up in jail. Do you see us doing that today? We don't need to be put to death for sin because we have repentance through Christ. Side: YES
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There is only one difference between my "story book" and your story book. My "story book" has prophecies that have been fulfilled and prophecies to be fulfilled. Your story book is basically as your butt buddy mentioned, a story book, just a bunch of stories of fantasies, for children, as yourselves :) Side: YES
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You mean the book of Mormon? What prophesies came true, other than the ones that supposedly came true in your story book? Ahhh so now your a Mormon, lol....you just don't know what lies to come up with. Esau sucks at lying. The book of Morons (Mormons) is a copy cat of the Holy Bible. How in the hell can the Native Americans leave their land "black" and return "white"? How and when did the Native Americans leave their land and return? That's a damn lie because your forefathers slaughtered the Native Americans, raped the women and children, then ate them and took their land. So that book of Morons is full of garbage. Disgusting as hell how they have more than one wife. Side: YES
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Now, before I post all the prophecies, let me ask you these last questions. Do you really think that your forefathers are going to get away with what they have done to us and what ya'll continue doing to us? Do you really think there is going to be no punishment for the wicked? Do you really think that we are not going to get revenge on you Edomites? Side: NO
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Both a positive and a negative answer requires admittance of guilt which doesn't belong to me. Do your parents know your gay? Do your neighbors know your beat your spouse? Does your ignorance make you feel inferior? Back to a less entrapping question. What prophesies in the bible are known to have actually been fulfilled outside the bible? Side: YES
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As little as I know about my fore fathers, you know so much less that the assertion of crime is entirely unfounded. I can speak for myself however, and I don't have to worry about getting away with something I didn't do. Your avoidance of the fulfilled prophesies is thinly veiled behind your seething attacks. Side: YES
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Have you always been retarded? Iz a simple yes er no answer yuh dumbass... But the question itself is dishonest and I have already explained that. Despite the answers I have provided, No one in your little cult seems to be able to provide what was asked for, which is a small request for a semblance of reason on your part. No one is surprised you can't provide it. Side: YES
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ight ill type lik u white folks do How is it a dishonest question you dumb ass devil? It's a simple yes or no answer. I'll repeat her question for your dumb ass. Do you really think that all the nations who enslaved us are going free of what they have done? It's a simple yes or no answer you stupid ass idiot! You want prophecy? The whole Bible is prophecy you idiot. The Bible is not meant for you to understand because our God already knew what y'all demons were going to do with it. Y'all will never understand prophecy because the Bible is not for you you stupid ass. Side: NO
I'll repeat my question now. What prophesies came true? That's a simple question. And my other question. Have you always been retarded? Another simple question. But you haven't answered even one. You expect me to accept the notion that you are enslaved, or someone is. By some un-named nations apparently. And you want to know if I think they will get away with it? I guess it depends on whether or not Frodo makes it to mount doom. Either way, I haven't done anything for which I need to "get away with" anything, so in my personal case there isn't a "yes" or "no" answer to your presumptuous question. Side: YES
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Well, given that I have just reminded you yet you still have not responded then i will take that as your tacit concession that objective morality is illusory. Though, it's funny that when i reminded you, you scrolled right past his rebuttal and responded to mine. Side: NO
I have 2 or 3 threads going with Jace concerning morality and none of them are in this debate. I am still waiting for his responses to which I will respond. The sum of your arguments about morality being subjective have always been that morality is subjective. It's like looking up the dictionary definition of God to determine that Spinoza is full of shit. Side: YES
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What Laws do you keep? There are more than 10 commandments, so you have to keep all the Laws to be a follower of Christ. Celebrating the holidays of the usa is not a follower of Christ; celebrating birthdays is not a follower of Christ. Also, who are the Laws given to? Side: NO
I keep a lot of the New Testament laws. Yes, I know there are more laws than the 10 commandments to follow. I can celebrate U.S holidays, and birthdays. You will notice a Christian just by their acts. How is celebrating birthdays, and holidays like the 4th of July mean you're not a follower of Christ? People do it all the time except they give glory to God for the person who has lived however many years, or that our country gained it's independece. What law are you referring to that are given to us? Side: YES
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I keep a lot of the New Testament laws. You keep "a lot" but not all? That's not a follower of Christ. I can celebrate U.S holidays, and birthdays. Show me in the Bible where Christ celebrated worldly holidays and birthdays? You will notice a Christian just by their acts. Oh I sure will notice a Christian just by their acts because as soon as the Laws begin coming out from the Bible, they run; as soon as the truth begins coming out from the Bible, they run. How is celebrating birthdays, and holidays like the 4th of July mean you're not a follower of Christ? Did Christ celebrate any of today's holidays? Are any of today's holidays in the Bible? People do it all the time except they give glory to God for the person who has lived however many years, or that our country gained it's independece. So if people go and jump off of a cliff, are you going to do it to, because they did it? What law are you referring to that are given to us? All the Laws were given to "us", that is, if you are a true Christian. Side: NO
You keep "a lot" but not all? That's not a follower of Christ. Being a Christian isn't easy at all. We fall but we keep trying to pursue God even when we mess up. I'm not perfect, and nor is anybody else perfect except for Christ. Show me in the Bible where Christ celebrated worldly holidays and birthdays? “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord” (Romans 14:5-8). Basically what Paul is trying to say here is that each man is fully convinced that he is doing what God wants him to do. If you want to celebrate birthdays then that's fine as long as you aren't overcome by pride. That verse can also be used for holidays as well. Did Christ celebrate any of today's holidays? Are any of today's holidays in the Bible? Things have changed since Jesus has left the earth, you do realize that right? Look what I explained above. So if people go and jump off of a cliff, are you going to do it to, because they did it? No, I wouldn't do that at all. All the Laws were given to "us", that is, if you are a true Christian A Christian isn't defined by the laws, it's by showing the fruit's of the spirit. That's a true Christian. Side: YES
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Being a Christian isn't easy at all. We fall but we keep trying to pursue God even when we mess up. I'm not perfect, and nor is anybody else perfect except for Christ. True, that's why you must keep the Laws, as Christ did. “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord” (Romans 14:5-8). No where in there does it say Christ celebrated birthdays, Christmas, ThanksGiving, 4th of July, etc... Show me Scripture that says Christ celebrated the days of the heathen and didn't keep the High Holy Days. Things have changed since Jesus has left the earth, you do realize that right? Look what I explained above. Yes, I know, that is why you are in a willful sinful state of mind because Esau changed the days, the time, and everything else to fit the modern day. That is why Christians worship the sun gods on Sun-day. Daniel 7:25 - And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. {This prophecy has already been fulfilled. The white man, Esau, has already done this, that is the reason why you Christians celebrate these pagan wicked holidays and worship the devil instead of God. } "So if people go and jump off of a cliff, are you going to do it to, because they did it?" No, I wouldn't do that at all. So if you wouldn't do it, why are you doing what the world does. Don't you know that the world is enmity with God? James 4:4 - Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. {You are an enemy to God for doing what the world does.} A Christian isn't defined by the laws, it's by showing the fruit's of the spirit. If the Laws don't define a Christian, then I guess all the Christians are going to die, because the Laws is what will get you into the Kingdom of heaven. Revelation 14:12 - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus 2 John 1:6 - And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. That we walk in the commandments that were given to us in the BEGINNING of time. So the Laws do define a Christian, what is faith without works? James 2:14-17 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. That's a true Christian. Actually, a True Christian has been and can only be an Israelite. The Israelites/Jews were first called Christians, not the Africans, not the Chinese, etc... the Jews. It has been commonly taught that the Christians in the New Testament were of all nations. However, according to the Bible, all Christians were and can only be Israelites. Acts:11:19: ” Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only “. Acts:11:26: ” And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch “. The Lord Jesus Christ addresses this issue in the following Scriptures: Matthew 15:24: “But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Christ explained clearly that He was only sent for the Israelites. Did the Gospel change after He died and was resurrected? According to the book of Acts, it did not change. Acts 5:31: “Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” The term “church” today is very broad. It now includes anyone of any nation who gathers together for worship, of any religious denomination. Fortunately, the Bible teaches the contrary. Acts 7:37: “This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.” Acts 7:38: “This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:” The “church in the wilderness” that received the Laws were the Israelites. Therefore the “church” is not the Roman Catholics, Baptists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Lutherans, or Seventh Day Adventists, etc. The Epistle of Paul to the Romans: Acts 2:5 &10;: “And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.” Verse 10, “Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,” Acts 18:2: “And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy (Rome), with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome:) and came unto them.” This verse proves that the Prophet Paul wrote to the Jews that were in Rome and not the heathen. The Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians: Acts 18:8: “And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.” The Corinthians in the synagogue with “Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue” were Jews. The other nations were forbidden to worship in the synagogues. The Epistle of Paul to the Galatians: Acts 16:5-6: “And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.” Verse 6, “Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia…” Acts 18:23: “And after he had spent some time there, he departed, and went over all the country of Galatia and Phrygia in order, strengthening all the disciples.” Galatians 3:23: “But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.” The verse explains that the Galatians “were kept under the law” because they were Israelites. Psalms 78:5: “For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:” Therefore, the Book of Galatians was written to the Israelites. The Epistle of Paul to the Ephesians: Acts 18:19-21: “And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.” Verse 20, “When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;” Verse 21, “But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.” This proves that the Ephesians were also Israelites. The Epistle of Paul to the Philippians: Acts 20:6: “And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.” The Feast of Unleavened Bread, was one of the Lord’s High Holy days recorded in Leviticus 23:1-6. This proves that the church at Philip, were a congregation of Israelites. The Epistle of Paul to the Colossians: Acts 2:5,10: “And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.” Verse 10, “Phrygia (Colosse), and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,” The Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians: Acts 17:1: “Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:” This proves that the Thessalonians were Israelites. The Epistle of Paul to Timothy: Acts 16:1: “Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:” The book of II Maccabees 4:10 & chapter 6:6: proves that the Israelites were at one time forced to become Greeks but in time repented and returned to God’s Laws. In I Timothy the 3rd chapter, Timothy was instructed to set up Bishops and Deacons in the Church according to strict criteria that could only be held by Jews brought up in the Law. The Epistle of Paul to Titus: In book of Titus chapters 1 and 2; Titus was instructed to also ordain Bishops and leaders in the Church by the same strict criteria that could only be held by those who followed the Laws of the Most High. The Epistle of Paul to Philemon: Paul wrote about Onesimus, a Hebrew servant (i.e. Deuteronomy 15:12-15). This Law pertained to the Israelites. The Epistle of Paul to the Hebrews: Hebrews 8:8: “For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:” This proves that the Hebrews were of course Israelites. The Epistle of James: James 1:1: “James a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.” The first epistle of Peter: I Peter 1:1: “Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,” The Elder Peter wrote to the Israelites scattered abroad just as James did. The Revelation of John the Divine: Revelation 1:11: “Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.” This “Asia” is more properly called “Asia Minor ” above the Mediterranean Sea under the power of the Greeks. I Maccabees 10:33: “Moreover I freely set at liberty everyone of the JEWS that were carried captives out of the land of Judea in to any part of my kingdom.” Psalms 147:19: “He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.” Psalms 147:20: “He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.” The Lord Jesus Christ did not change these words according to John 17:14: “I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.” Side: NO
So why is it that "Christians" say they are followers of Christ if they never actually follow anything Christ has ever done? You even quoted the world Christian. That shows that you do not regard non-followers as Christians in your head. That is why Christians are followers of Christ and "Christians" are not followers of Christ. Simple and logical. Side: YES
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Okay, and what does the name of the religion have to do with what Christians do. Did Christ celebrate Christmas? Where is Christmas in the Bible? Did He celebrate the 4th of July? Where is the 4th of July in Scripture? Christians are wicked and rebellious, they use one verse in the Bible to justify what they do. Side: NO
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Thanksgiving is the day the "Native Americans" were slaughtered by the white people. It's the day where ya'll give thanks to the white man for killing blacks. The white man taught us that thanks giving was about Christopher Columbus discovering America, that's a lie. Side: YES
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First, Native Americans are not of African descent, and thus are not black. Second, nobody believes that Thanksgiving is about Christopher Columbus. You are thinking of Columbus day, a rather horrifying holiday given how purely evil that man was. Third, nowhere in that did you explain how the holiday is pagan, at all. Side: YES
Christmas is the birth of Jesus, you ignorant buffoon. Of course Christ didn't celebrate the 4th of July, because 1. He was born in Jerusalem, later moving to Nazareth( Both in the northern Galilee region, for your stupid brain) 2. America was birthed a nation in 1776.. Christ died long before this... please think before you type, because honestly I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and SHIT a better statement than that.. Side: YES
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Christmas is the birth of Jesus, you ignorant buffoon. Can you show the Scripture that says He was born on Dec 25? Ya'll will hate us for teaching the truth; ya'll hate the black Messiah and God and because ya'll hate HIM you will hate us and we will become your enemy. Where is 4th of July in the Bible? Side: NO
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TruthExposed, take your lying mouth elsewhere, seriously. Im sick of you leading people into sin! The Bible says for people who lead others into sin it would be better to tie a rock around them and throw themselves into the sea than lead people to sin. Im sick of your attitude and im sick of your threats, they are the words of someone who is angry and having a fit, not the words of someone who is trying to lead people to Jesus Christ. Side: YES
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Im going to heaven, you have nothing nice to say to me, you curse me out, and you say im going to hell and into slavery. TruthExposed, im about to expose your lies with Jesus Christ as my protector and my deliverer. The people going to heaven are the ones who have accepted Jesus Christ into their hearts as their Lord and Savior. The church's time here on earth grows short, for the rapture is at hand. Soon after the 4th blood moon, the trumpet will sound and all of God's people will go to meet Jesus Christ in the air, and He will bring us to our heavenly home where we shall live forever and ever. Side: YES
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Hahahaha you have been very brainwashed with lies. That is not what the Bible says at all. Christians will get their imaginations cast down by the real Jews. I hope you live a long life in this world because I want you to see the 2nd coming our Savior of Israel. I want you to see the real Hebrews being raised and coming back to enslave those who enslaved us. Revelations 13:10 - He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Side: NO
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you twist the scriptures you antichrist..... im back and Holy Spirit filled and ready to take you on..... those who twist scripture are not saved. Jesus has a warning for those who add or take away from the Bible...... Epilogue: Invitation and Warning 12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. 16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” 17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life. 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen. Side: YES
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Hahahaha you have been very brainwashed with lies. That is not what the Bible says at all. Christians will get their imaginations cast down by the real Jews. I hope you live a long life in this world because I want you to see the 2nd coming our Savior of Israel. I want you to see the real Hebrews being raised and coming back to enslave those who enslaved us. Revelations 13:10 - He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Side: NO
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What you say is going to happen to the Jews is not what is going to go down. Jesus will first rapture the church and then the people left behind have one last chance to choose Jesus Christ or Satan during the 7 year tribulation. here is scripture proof of the rapture. Revelation 7:9-17 9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” 11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!” 13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?” 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence. 16 ‘Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat down on them,’[a] nor any scorching heat. 17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’[b] ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’[c]” Side: YES
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Revelation 7:9-17 9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, This is why Christians don't know the Bible. Did you read the beginning of Revelation 7? If you read the beginning of Revelation 7 it tells you who the multitude of every nation is. And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. That whole chapter was talking about Israel, why would you ignore that. You Christians just search for the verses that talk about the love of God and salvation, but ya'll ignore the rest of the Scriptures. Christians don't know the Bible. Ya'll see what one verse says and that's what ya'll think it means. Ya'll don't go precept upon precept as instructed by The Most High God; ya'll don't read the beginning of chapters, that's the reason why Christianity is a wicked false religion just as every other religion. By the way, I like how you ignored my question on the other post, it shows how much you really know the Scripture. Ya'll think I'm racist because I'm showing ya'll what the Bible really says and ya'll don't want to accept it. I don't hate white people, I just have no sympathy for ya'll. Side: NO
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The verses before are talking about Israel, the 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. Also dont tell me that i dont know the Bible because i do. Revelation 7:1-8 are talking about Israel, not Revelation 7:9-17. here is Revelation 7:1-8 144,000 Sealed 7 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. 5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, 6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, 7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, 8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000. This is talking about 12,000 sealed from every tribe of Israel. The multitude in white robes are the people who were raptured before the great Tribulation began, people from every tribe and nation which is why what you believe is a false teaching of the Gospel. Side: YES
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Wow, Christians really are confused. Revelation 7 is talking about the Israelites. Why would verses 1-8 talk about Israel, and the rest of the verses talk about something different? That's called confusion, you Christians or so called "Christians" to teach nothing but confusion. Israel, as prophesied, was scatter throughout all the earth. I already gave you a precept for that but you don't accept it because the Bible doesn't say what you want it to say. You Christians need to stop twisting the Scripture and need to stop teaching on what you think or what you believe the Bible says, God doesn't care about what you think or what you believe. Man's thoughts are defiled, stop trying to speak for the Bible because you are defiling it with your defiled thoughts. You Christians always preach from the heart and not from the Bible. Christ said you are defiled when you talk from your heart and that is exactly what you so called "Christians" do, you speak from your heart instead letting the Bible speak for itself, that is why in churches only a few verses are brought out and the rest of the sermon the pastor talks from his heart; what the pastor says has nothing to do with the Bible. Matthew 15:18 - But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. So now, again, I will show you the precept that says Israel was scattered throughout the earth. We are in every nation, we are in China mingled in with the Moabites, Japan mingled in with the Ammoites, UK, Canada, Ireland, India, Philippines mingled in with persians/medes , USA, Iraq mingled in with the Arabs, Iran, Syria mingled in with the Assyrians, Africa mingled in with the Canaanites and the Hamites, ect....., we are everywhere, we are in Cuba, Puerto Rico, South America and we are speaking different languages, also known as tongues. The entire Bible is for the Israelites. Deuteronomy 28:64 - And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. The Most High God scattered the so called "Blacks/Latinos/Native Americans" all over the earth, WE ARE EVERYWHERE! We are serving/worshiping different gods. We have people in Islam/Christianity-Catholicism (the 2 main religions our people are in)/Hinduism/Buddhism, etc... As I mentioned, our people are mainly serving the gods of Islam and Christianity - even wood and stone. What religion has a symbol made of wood?...Christianity, the symbol of death (the cross); what religion worships a stone?.... Islam, the Kabba Stone. Deuteronomy 4:27 - And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. We are in all nations, we do not have our own land. There are very few of us; in the USA there are more Edomites than Israeltes; in Iraq there are more Ishmaelites than Israelites; in Japan there are more Ammonites than there are Israelites. You Christians don't even acknowledge what the Bible really says, only a few verses throughout the entire Bible do ya'll pay attention to and those verses talk about the "love of God". You Christians are confused as hell and I hope you all live a long life, enough to see the second coming of Christ because I want ya'll to see the dead of the Israelites who kept the commandments* rising first then the remaining of the Israelites on earth that are keeping the commandments rising. Ya'll spread nothing but doctrine of men and worship in vain, ya'll spread the doctrine of Catholicism because that's where Christianity came from. Side: NO
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u gonin to heaven alright 2 b ah slaves bruh u damn devils is still hangin our people bruh yall iz sum damn demons n yall call us racist wen yall iz still hangin us get da hell out her edomite u gon die wen Christ comes bac yuh gon in2 slavery bruh n I cant wait fo yall 2 b ah slaves Side: NO
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Really? Truthexposed give it up, im seriously tired of your rude remarks and your racism against white people. Im fed up with your snotty remarks. And may the Lord have mercy on you when you have to face the Antichrist for 7 years. The church will only be around for the first 3.5 years of the triblulation, then Jesus will rapture the church before the 2nd 3.5 years called the Great Tribulation.... When Satan himself will possess the Antichrist and all hell will break loose on the earth. Side: YES
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I believe that Jesus Christ is in my heart, and i also believe that anyone who asks Him into their hearts will be going to heaven. Im sick of you saying show the Scriptures. I have shown you them and yet you still say im defiled. You have a hateful heart Yahshraela, and that will not get you into heaven. Side: YES
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If your a "Christian" you should be happy to show the Scriptures to prove your points but when I've asked you questions and to show me Scripture to those questions I asked and you haven't done it. You haven't even refuted my points that is why I keep saying, "show me the Scriptures." You must be able to prove what you say with the Bible, if you can't do it or you "don't need to show Scripture" then it shows that you don't know what your talking about and you can't back up your points with the Bible. Side: NO
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1 Peter 4:11 -If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. What ever comes out of your mouth, needs to be backed up with Scripture, if you are a "real" Christian. Since you Christians never back up what you say with Scripture, you are considered liars because ya'll speak from the heart, rather than speaking from the Word of God. All you Christians are some wicked liars. Stop speaking from your heart, from your emotions and speak from the Bible. Side: NO
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Out of context? I just pasted what you typed and agreed with you. After you said I had a peanut brain I realized you were right and thought I would just agree with you. Did I get it wrong? I try to understand your sentences, you just type so few. I'll try harder. Right....you never agree with anything I post - all of a sudden you "agree" with what I post? sounds fishy to me, that's the reason why I no longer trust Esau. Side: NO
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I will never stop speaking from my heart and my emotions! I know for a fact that all who have asked Jesus Christ into their hearts and lives will be meeting Him in the air when that trumpet sounds. I also know that Jesus Christ is going to spit you out of His mouth and say "Away from me evil one, for I never knew you." As the Bible says, not everyone who says Lord, Lord will get into heaven. You are so luke warm Yahshraela that Jesus is about to spit you out of His mouth! im sick of your false teachings and im sick of your so called "black jesus" You are such a hypocrite and leading others into sin, you are just like the religious leaders back in Bible times and Jesus called them a "brood of vipers" and "hypocrites" You know nothing about Christianity and you know nothing about the Bible, so stop acting as though you do. Even though i speak from my heart and my emotions, my words come from the Lord and only Him!! Stop trying to tear me down because its not gonna work in your favor dude!!! I am a true Child of God and the Lord is my defender, and HE is exposing all of your lies and the lies of your buddy TruthExposed. You both need to knock this crap off and seriously grow up and realize that you have lost this debate from the start. Side: YES
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Your white jesus all ready spit me out of his mouth because he is a devil and I no longer worship Satan. You are worshiping yourself. Your own people, Esau, even know that ya'll have turned the real Jesus into an image that fits your image. You guys have twisted the real Jesus of the Bible to fit your preference. And now He's a white man. You guys have came preaching a new Jesus. 2 Corinthians 11: 4 - For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. TruthExposed is not my buddy, I don't know him/her. You hate the real God, which is find because HE hates you for what you and your forefathers did to HIS children in slavery. That's the reason why HE is putting ya'll in slavery (Isaiah 14:2; Jeremiah 30:16; Revelation 13:10). Good bye, I wish you a long life so you can see the "black" Messiah coming to deliver His people from the hands of our enemies. Continue worshiping yourself because there is no salvation for you so if worshiping Satan and receiving blessings from Satan make you feel good, then you do that because that white jesus is your forefather. We all came from Adam and Eve, yes, but who is the chosen seed? Isaach and his children. I come from the chosen seed of Abraham, Isaach and Jacob. You come from Esau, you have red skin. David Platt: Radical the Book & Radical the Bible Study
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I am not going into slavery and i will not give this up. Jesus Christ will return and He will see you as a goat!!! I am a follower of Jesus Christ and you are not!!! I may have white skin but Jesus Christ still accepts me and loves me for accepting Him as my Lord and Savior! He does not care what color skin you have as long as you accept Him into your heart and your life! Here is the verses concerning the Sheep and the Goats. The Sheep and the Goats 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Side: YES
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Oh I'm in hell right now. According to the Bible, hell is a condition, not a place. There is no hell under the ground where a red guy with a pitch fork pokes you. There are however several biblical references about hell. 1.hell is death, being buried in the earth according to Acts 2:27-31 2.hell is a low condition ie. slavery. according to Isaiah 28:15 Habakkuk 2:5,Matthew 16:18 Matthew 23:15 3. Hell is thermal nuclear fire which looks like a lake of fire. according to 2 Peters 3:8-10, Mark 9:43,Rev.19:20, Rev. 20:10, Rev. 21:8. All the real Israelites are in hell, aka, Esau's kingdom. Side: NO
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Yahshraela you have a twisted mind, and im going to keep at this until you realize you are the one who needs to repent. Look i know i have been nasty to you lately, but you have pushed me past my patience with you. You can bash God and His Children all you want to Yahshraela, but you will have to answer to the Most High for your words. I dont need scripture to even proove that. You can throw all the scripture you want at me but i dont care because you have twisted it to make your own adgenda. No wonder people dont argue with you because you are so bull headed and stubborn, well i am the same way, but i know for a fact that im going to heaven, ive seen glimpses of it, and its beautiful, more than anyone can imagine. Since you have twisted Scripture, may you experience all the plagues mentioned in the book of Revelation in Jesus Name. John even warned about this in Revelation 22:18-19 18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Yahshraela I would take that warning seriously if I were you. Side: YES
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Hahahaha, why do you think Christ was crucified? Because He preached the Gospel to the Jews only. The same persecution Christ got is the same persecution the real Jews are going to get. You want me to repent and follow your white jesus which I'm not going to do because Jesus is not white, the Bible describes Him as a dark skinned man(Revelation (meaning to reveal) 1:14-15), so Christianity is preaching another Jesus -(2 Corinthians 11:4). Now if you want to say, "color doesn't matter", if color doesn't matter why was the original painting of Christ white washed? So I'm not repenting and bowing down to your white jesus because he is a fraud; he is not the jesus of the Bible. I didn't twist the Scripture, you just don't want to believe that the Jesus of the Bible only came for Israel; Jesus Himself said it in Matthew 15:24. Now if I took Matthew 15:24 out of context and made it seem something else, tell me what it means. Post Matthew 15:24 and tell me what it means because you Christians don't know precept upon precept that's why ya'll think Jesus came for everyone. Ya'll don't know the key words and the precepts to those precepts; that's the reason why ya'll don't keep any commandments, and ya'll say your going to heaven. How are you going to heaven if your not keeping the commandments? Matthew 19:17 - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 2 John 1:6 - And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. Apparently these verses meaning something completely different than what they say, so please, explain what these verses mean and don't use your words, use the Bible to define what the Scriptures mean. Help me understand what these verses mean that I pointed out. Side: NO
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Well im sorry about that, but even a man of God loses his patience eventually. Just because I am a Christian doesnt mean im perfect, i still have human emotions and i still will make mistakes. But the great thing is that Jesus forgives me when i make mistakes, and all i have to do is ask. Side: YES
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Thank you for blessing me TruthExposed..... He said: 3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Side: YES
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Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s followers never gave an 'I have a dream' speech either. L. Ron Hubbard's followers never created a for-profit religion based on their experience writing bad science fiction. Muhammad's followers never married an underaged.... ok, they didn't marry the SAME underaged girl. Side: NO
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FYI: Debate has been edited since I posted. Originally the debate was entitled "Christians are not followers of Christ" With the 'NO' side indicating denial of the statement. OP Did a switcheroo, changing the debate title to "Are Christians followers of Christ" after people had already posted, switching the meaning of the YES and NO sides. Pretty dishonest if you ask me. Side: YES
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I agree, and pretty sly on the debate creator's part, so he gets the side he wants to win to be on the higher side. Well I can see right through that though. Plus the debate creator and i dont have a friendly relationship on here because he is saying white people are going to hell, when the Bible clearly says that is not true. Side: NO
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I think it's a pretty safe bet that if there is a hell at all, ethnicity will have no bearing over who goes there or not- though there may be correlations that arise. Certainly with the attitudes this troll persona has presented numerous times, even if everything it's saying is, by some miracle, 100% correct, it'd be in hell with all the other heathens too. It's not the hell thing that really appalls me about this- it's the small but energetic hard-on it seems to get at the notion of owning slaves. Fortunately, like I said, even if its ideas regarding religion did in fact turn out to be true, it would still never be in a position to benefit from them in any way, including ownership of the slaves it so craves. Side: YES
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The truth is, that anyone who rejects Jesus Christ and does not ask Him into their lives, will be going to hell, and i believe the troll is going with them. So rude and such a HYPOCRITE, Im a Christian and i have not said one swear word to the troll and in every response from him, he curses me out. Sounds like someone is just having a temper tantrum because they cant get people to join them. Im saying this right now, I will never join someone as mean and as judgmental as this guy is. Thousandin1 i agree with you on what you said about the troll. Side: YES
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Plus the debate creator and i dont have a friendly relationship on here because he is saying white people are going to hell, when the Bible clearly says that is not true. If you don't like my debates then stop posting arguments on them, simple as that, ignore them. Plus, you still have not shown me any verses that say Christ came to save all nations of their sins. You don't even believe in the Bible, you believe and follow the doctrine of men. Let me ask you something. If God is an "all-loving" God, why does HE hate Esau? Why is going to want to make those who took the "blacks" into slavery, go into slavery? Is that something an "all-loving" God would if HE was indeed "all-loving"? Side: YES
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I have shown you verses, John 3:16-17 being one of them, but you have never listened to me at all. Yahshraela, your belief is totally opposite of mine, and i respect you for that. But you will not get to heaven believing what you believe right now, because Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. Jesus even said it Himself in John 14:6 "6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Meaning no one gets to the Father unless they have Jesus with them. Also John 3:16-17 says "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." Meaning God loved all the people in this world that He created, that He sent Jesus Christ to save the world and not condemn the world. You see Yashraela, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ was an ultimate act of love, He suffered so we would not have to. I thank Him everyday for suffering in my place so i wouldnt have to suffer for eternity. While Jesus was on that cross he even asked the Father to forgive those who condemned Him to death on the cross. Also when he died, many things happened at once as mentioned in Matthew 27:45-54 45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[d] 47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.” 48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49 The rest said, “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to save him.” 50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people. 54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!” The price has been paid in full Yahshraela, just ask Jesus into your life and you will seal your place in heaven. Jesus Christ has not given up on you. He is just waiting for you to open your heart to Him. Please i beg of you to turn to Jesus Christ and stop this madness before its too late. The church's time on this earth grows short, for the rapture is at hand. Side: NO
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Okay, you never gave me the precepts for John 3:16, so what you are saying is a lie. You are supposed to go precept upon precept -Isa 28:10. Through thy precepts I gain understanding -Ps 119:104. Christians don't know precepts, that's the reason why you all are so lost in the lies ya'll teach. John 3:16 is not talking about this world that is why I want you to give me the precepts, but then again, ya'll Christians reject precepts because ya'll don't like what the Bible really says. Jesus is in my life. He awoke me to the truth, that is the reason why I left the religion Christianity that was a bunch of confusion. Why do you need religion to be saved? makes no sense. Religion is slavery. The real Israelites don't have a denomination; the only religion the True Israelites have is the Law. - 1 Maccabees 2:19 Side: YES
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Do you have a relationship with Jesus Christ? I do and it grows stronger everyday and I love Him more and more each day. I dont need to give you precepts for the verses i give you. They speak for themselves and if i dont understand them, I ask Jesus to help me understand them. Side: NO
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I have a very strong relationship with Christ, He is the one that awoke me to the Truth. Listen, if you don't have precepts, then what you are teaching is not true because if God so loved "this" world, why would Christ not pray for "this" world in John 17:9 and who is He (Jesus) praying for in John 17:9? That's a contradiction. The Bible does speak for itself, when you give precepts that is. So if you don't believe you have to go precept upon precept, then you are basically telling your god that you don't care what he commands you to do, you're going to do what you want. Why does 2 Esdras 6:9 say that Esau is the end of the world....which makes sense because in Romans 9:13 God said HE hates Esau. Side: YES
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I'm unsure where to place my argument, since the answer to a declarative statement are never "yes" and "no". "Christians are not followers of Christ" is a statement, not a question. But you keep talking about how we celebrate all of these holidays that Jesus Christ never celebrated. He never celebrated Christmas because he was Jesus Christ. Although, you could argue that Christmas was never a Christian holiday and it was founded upon the pagan Winter Solstice Festival. The other holidays like Easter and whatnot are actually also pagan holidays. Ever wondered what a big bunny delivering candy to everyone has to do with Christianity? Absolutely nothing. I also agree with something else. In the Bible, Jesus never mentions his ideas of homosexuality. And some Christians hate and oppress homosexuals. Jesus was supposed to encourage love and kindness to one another and he even said disregard the Old Testament, condemning homosexuality. So he was technically disregarded homophobia. Yet his supposed followers oppress homosexuals. I am not a Christian, but I thought I might want to respond to this. Side: NO
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Are so called "Christians" followers of Christ? The term "Christian" means "Christ-like", so those who are not following Christ are by definition not Christian. Therefore, the difference of one being nominally Christian and one being truly Christian cannot be ignored. So there is a big difference between somebody who sits around and just believes a set of doctrine while living a hedonistic lifestyle contrasted with a missionary helping feed poor people in places like Africa, South America, etc,…. Jesus actually did break the sabbath and some of the other laws, and he told his followers to do so, just to clarify. He also told the pharisees to bleep off a couple of times, and he drove merchants out of the temple with a whip. This mixes things up a bit. Side: NO
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Are you out of your mind!?!?!? Christians are not wicked people, but we are not perfect either, we are human just like the rest of the people in this world and we deal with the same struggles that you deal with, so why are you saying Christians are wicked people? Im going to totally disagree with you on that point, plus that was so low of you to say. Side: YES
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Get the hell outa here ya damn devil. Ya'll crackers is some wicked creatures. Ya'll Christians wana say we follow Christ man Christ wasn't no damn devil like you sick creatures yall don't even follow anything in the Scrips so how the hell are you a follower. aha you a cracker, KKK, ya'll people killed us like if we was animals man that some sick demonic stuff yall did. Christ aint no damn cracker creatur so hell na yall following yourselves yall made a jesus to fit ya own people wicked as demons. get the hell on off this debate cracker go worship your beast else were. ya'll should be in the zoos cus yall is wild, like dem wild animals man yall belong in a damn zoo that's where you belong. Side: NO
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Awww ma words hurt the girly boy, do it look lik I care bout yo girly feelings? you to damn emotional lil girl, man tha hell up its a debating site n not erbody is gon say what yuh lik or wana hear. God has blessed me I aint got red skin so im good shine a light through yuh skin and yuh skin gon be red we can see yuh blood man you cursed if yuh got white skin man so im blessed Side: NO
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Well, i may have girly feelings, but im much stronger than you are spiritually, it doesnt matter how much of the Bible you know, or how Christian you think you are. What matters is if you have a relationship with Jesus Christ. I am not cursed if im white, and neither are you cuz you are black, but we are all born into sin, and that is why everyone needs Jesus Christ in their lives. I AM GOING TO DO MY BEST TO BE THE MAN OF GOD THAT I WAS CREATED TO BE, BUT I WILL NOT PUT UP WITH SNOTTY COMMENTS LIKE YOURS. Listen and listen good truthexposed, I do not care what you say to me because its all lies and trash, that is all it is. Garbage, filth, and worthless lies. You think that you can scare me or hurt me with that type of worthless crap, you are wrong. I have been through hell and back, and I know what its like, because of what i went through, im a much stronger person than i used to be. God has been testing my faith all this time, and i have grown stronger because of these tests. So words like that are not gonna hurt me. So stop being such a bully and lay off! Side: YES
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Well, i may have girly feelings, but im much stronger than you are spiritually, it doesnt matter how much of the Bible you know, or how Christian you think you are. Yo u wud have sum girly feelings, u a damn edomite, u have red skin. the religion of Christianity has destroyed da real Israelites, made em into some damn fruity pebbles lik yuh self. God don't want no damn girly boys up in his kingdom he need men. u a girly edomite bruh n u goin into slavery. so even if u was a Israelite u wouldn't get da kingdom cus u 2 damn emotional to girly I am not cursed if im white, and neither are you cuz you are black, but we are all born into sin, and that is why everyone needs Jesus Christ in their lives. black is a color not a nationality esau. Israelites are born into sin and edomites red people or da so called "white man" is born a damn demon. whats filth is what yall damn demons did to us das filth das some demonic stuff yall did and yall is filty with ya cursed skin color yall is da only people wit a different skin color yall is cursed n guna go into slavery deal wit it bruh scrips don't lie but u a damn liar jus lik ur ancestors man. yall hav tampered wit our book n twisted the scrips but we is wakin up n comin back n bes believe Christ and da saints is gon put yall demons into slavery. Gods word is everlasting it aint gon change Side: NO
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You say you are a follower of God, yet your swearing words betray you. I have not said one single swear word and they have been coming from you in abundance. How are you going to get people to even consider your a follower of God when you have a sailor's mouth? Also i just have a feeling that you are a troll and just trying to get attention. So you are not getting it from me, but you will get this one warning, Jesus Christ loves everyone but hates people who are like the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law, as demonstrated in Matthew 23:13-37 Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees 13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b] 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. 16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it. 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. 25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. 27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. 29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! 33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]” Side: YES
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