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 Cigarettes on the road to getting banned. (19)

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Cigarettes on the road to getting banned.

Obama signed a bill that will:

Restrict tobacco advertising

Ban candy and fruit flavored cigarettes

Require large, graphic health warnings to cover the top half of all cigarette packages

Prohibit companies from advertising their products as "light, low tar" and "mild"

 

So, not only is Obama against the legalization of marijuana (or even a debate on the matter) he apparently wants the cigarette companies to fail. 

 

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3 points

If they are, good. I'm a smoker, but I think that it's something that should be taken away. It's bad in all kinds of ways, and if they're going to make it a political issue, they had better ban it all together.

If you're worried about it being banned because of recent activity, this is always happening. It's been illegal to advertise tobacco or alcohol on racecars for some time now, and that seemed outrageous. Canada is the same way, they have been doing this stuff for a while too, and their cigarette prices are around $11 for a pack of Camel Lights, so their taxes are already far beyond what we say we wouldn't pay... but there are still people over there smoking (the tax is so high because they have socialized healthcare, we do not).

Side: your mom went to college
1 point

You know, I was hoping for some LIBERATING change. I thought that maybe since we had a completely liberal leadership, we would be able to finally get some drugs legalized. Especially since the argument is getting more and more heated.

But no, in fact, they want to restrict substance even more. They don't have the DEA respect state rights either.

Also, they don't seem to realize that no matter how much you try to call cigarettes bad, people will always smoke them. They know it's bad for them, and they're okay with that.

Side: Freedom is Slavery
3 points

To quote Bill Maher, "We have two parties in America: a center-right party, and a crazy party."

Side: Democrats are center-right
1 point

that doesn't make much sense though unless it's under Bill Maher's consideration of "Right and Left Wing".

In America, Right Wing is Conservative and Left Wing is Liberal. Liberals have always been against cigarettes more than Conservatives (for some stupid reason), but that's how it is. So being against cigarettes isn't right wing.

Side: Freedom is Slavery
1 point

its times like these that i love living in another country...

as good an idea as that is, it is taking away peoples free will. if they want to kill themselves slowly n painfully then that's their choice. they are properly warned, they know exactly what they're getting into by smoking.

and as for pot, people are always going to be smoking it, you cant stop that either. they love the feeling of not caring, of invincibility, the feeling your body gets when your stoned.

Obama can do whatever he want, but he can't take away free will. people are always going to do what they want to do, whether Obama wants them to or not; it's not a communist country!

(I have nothing against the guy, i quite like him)

Side: free will
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
2 points

"as good an idea as that is, it is taking away peoples free will."

Not so much "people" as the companies. See, people will still be allowed to smoke. It's just making sure everyone is well informed.

Nobody said anything about pot. But if you insist:

The law is the law. You're right, people will always break the law and we will always enforce it, and even change it. Nobody is above the law.

"Obama can do whatever he want, but he can't take away free will."

Anybody can do whatever they want. But they can't take away consequences.

Side: smoking is bad
1 point

I agree with this. And I want to say that any company should be allowed to fail.

The less people that smoke the better. And I hate those shady advertizements that are like "mild, tar light!".

That said however, I think he should be going after the people that make money less, and going after the people that do nothing more.

Side: smoking is bad
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
1 point

When the government intentionally tries to restrict business for a company, that is against the Capitalist system and against the freedom principle of our Nation.

People know smoking is bad for them. This is a failed attempt at trying to hurt the companies more. But, banning fruit-flavored or Light cigarettes will only hurt the consumer. They'll smoke, no matter what, they just won't be able to get the most out of it since the government is making it suck now.

Side: Freedom is Slavery
1 point

Your right, it's just that I hate that people are smoking and starting to smoke when the harmful consequences are so obvious.

This is kind of weird for me because I'm against big government, and smoking.

"They'll smoke, no matter what, they just won't be able to get the most out of it since the government is making it suck now."

It already sucks!

Look at all the people that have died.

Side: smoking is bad
1 point

I agree with everything but the banning of the fruit flavored cigarettes.

That's just a kind of cigarette and while aimed at children it is also preferred by women. And I am by no means a feminist or a pro-smoking person, but I am pro-choice. And until cigarettes are banned completely, there should be no ban on a specific variety or taste. It's unfair to ban some but not all.

Side: Freedom is Slavery
1 point

if a person wants to smoke it is their choice . i smoke myself and it is a choice i made four years ago . if you dont want your kids smoking then dont smoke you cant tell you kids not to smoke whenyou have a cigarette in your hand

Side: free will
1 point

Obama wants to ban trucks unless it's for work purposes. Obama wants to ban flavored cigarettes and cigars. Obama wants to ban home-schooling. Obama wants to ban this, Obama wants to ban that. If we wanted this then we could have just elected somebody's father. This is slightly outrageous. Since when did America get into the business of electing Dictators. We're free Americans, not little kids who can't think for themselves and need to be told what to do.

Side: free will
0 points

I'm for it. I didn't think a President would ever go this far though (because I didn't think it was a topic they really would give a shit about). However, you all must remember Obama is a recovering smoker himself. That says SOMETHING when he's willing to go this far into the substance. If the bill he passes gets another like, 10% of people to quit, then awesome. I will say that most people that smoke, actually wish they weren't a smoker; they just have the hardest time in the universe to quit because of its addictions and because of the shitty side affects you end up with when trying to quit, that makes you not want to quit. However, do be aware, he's just encouraging more truthful advertising; a lot of smokers aren't going to quit because of this bill. And any "candy" flavored cig shouldn't have been invented in the first place because it makes kids think smoking is cool and as soon as they're capable, they get their hands on the real thing.

Although, it might definitely reach a banning point. Here in AZ, they just passed a state bill where smoking in the cars if children under 18 are present, is prohibited (it's pretty sad they had to pass a bill for that to begin with). Smoking in most restaurants is banned; smoking in public places is banned; next thing you know, there will be no smoking in certain apartment bills. Ha. But seriously. The world IS trying to get rid of smoking. And it might be a loss of a freedom of killing oneself and those around them, but that loss of "Freedom" is going to grant them a gain, of like, 10 years of the average life.

Side: free will
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
1 point

That last sentence sounds like something Stalin would say.

Nevertheless, kids don't smoke candy cigarettes. It's mainly females. Same thing with stuff like black and milds (fruit flavored).

No one's going to quit just because Lights and Milds no longer exist. All that means is they'll buy the heavy stuff instead of the Lights. Killing them faster.

Side: Freedom is Slavery
cosmicchaos2 Disputed
1 point

All cigarettes, candy or otherwise, were created for adults, not kids. If kids are smoking then maybe they should look down on the parents that didn't teach them properly, instead of the tobacco company, or other smokers. Yes I'm a smoker, and yes I agree that it's bad for you. I agree on banning it in restaurants cause even though I'm a smoker it's gross to have to smell it while you're eating. And when I become a parent I will quit But to blame the problem of kids smoking on the fact that there's flavored tobacco is kinda reaching a little bit.

Side: free will

If marijuana is illegal, smoking cigarettes should most definitely be illegal. It is far more harmful to a person's self and to the people around them.

Side: If pot remains illegal
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
1 point

you can not legalize one substance by promoting the ban of another.

Making cigarettes illegal will only push us further down this rabbit hole.

Side: Freedom is Slavery
1 point

Oh no, I'm definitely not supporting the ban on cigarettes. I just think it's ridiculous that cigarettes are illegal and marijuana isn't.

Side: Freedom is Slavery