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Yes. No.
Debate Score:47
Arguments:30
Total Votes:54
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Circular reasoning?

God is all good, all knowing, all powerful, evil exists, and it's not God's fault? Oh yeah baby, that's circular reasoning.

Yes.

Side Score: 27
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No.

Side Score: 20
4 points

It's quite common for religious people and other similarly defective people... Most common for apologetics.

Like:

Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so. Bible is word of god, because Bible says so.....

Side: Yes.
trumpet_guy(502) Disputed
1 point

facepalm Most apologetics have preceding arguments to support the claims made by the Bible about itself.

Side: No.
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

not they don't, all their arguments are usually completely divorced from reality and end "because bible says so".

Side: Yes.
3 points

Nope. That's willful ignorance.

Side: No.
2 points

No, that's not circular. Circular is when you say God is all good because God defines what good is and only does good things.

Side: No.
2 points

This is not circular reasoning, circular reasoning would be:

God exists because the bible says so

The bible is correct because it is the word of god

What you might've intended to say is that it's non sequitur logic?

Side: No.

What is a nonsequitur? .

Side: No.
Stickers(1037) Clarified
2 points

The premises do not match the conclusion in a non sequitur argument. Cicular reasoning is when the conclusion is confirmed in the premise. This definitely seems to be the former.

Side: Yes.
1 point

What is a non sequitur? .

Side: Yes.

Is that anything like secular reasoning? ;)

Side: No.
-1 points

Once again, good is not by our own definition, but God's. If you look, the most faithful followers (take Paul for example) lived tortuous lives, literally sometimes. However, that makes heaven so much sweeter. You can continue the pity party if you want, but either try look at things from a Biblical perspective, or put the Bible down. The hate debates are getting annoying, being their numerous debates started on the same subject from you.

Side: No.
2 points

Thanks for the ad hom. Questioning things does not equal a pity party. Do be a dear and save the theatrics. I mean business when I debate, so ahem: you have failed to explain the proble of evil in a satisfactory and logical manner. Explain Lucy, how my sample statement is NOT circular reasoning. I believe it because it's true, it's true because a book says so so I believe it is circular reasoning and just a tad annoying. I dont hate God (usually), but I dont understand Him either, and I am quite skeptical of your argument. I await your reply. Toodles! ;)

Side: Yes.
kaveri(319) Disputed
1 point

Gods (3500 different ones) were created and described by human often by delusional and sick people in stone age full of flaws and contradictions

Side: Yes.
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

So, according to your logic, everything good is good because God says it's good.

Tautology much?

Side: Yes.
GuitarGuy(6096) Clarified
1 point

That would be the case if God existed though.

Side: Yes.
trumpet_guy(502) Disputed
1 point

Actually yes. However that doesn't dispute anything, and could in fact support it.

Side: No.