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Yes they should Not necessarily
Debate Score:56
Arguments:53
Total Votes:57
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Civil liberties should be sacrificed for the greater good.

The events of September 11th 2001 resulted in governments all over the world taking extraordinary measures to enhance the security of their citizens. Whether this was justified or not is yet another flashpoint in the age old battle of liberty versus security.

In the US, new security measures included unparalleled airport checkpoint procedures, face recognition devices in public places, tracking, monitoring and identification through thumb printing of certain categories of visitors, random searches of Internet content by intelligence officers, the ability to demand records on somebody from any business or organisation, the use of wiretaps and the ability to intercept and read email, and eavesdropping on conversations between a lawyer and their client. The possible use of racial profiling to target “suspicious individuals” for more thorough searches and questioning is also being seriously discussed, although allegedly not in operation. Most of these measures are associated with loss of privacy; liberty has also been directly infringed through the detention without charge or trial of non-citizens, on the grounds they do not enjoy the same rights as citizens, the designation of US citizens as enemy combatants and their indefinite detention, and by trying suspects through military tribunals rather than in a normal court with judge and jury.

On the one hand, extraordinary security measures are required to counteract the imminent threats of terrorism that has become much more cunning and resourceful over the last decade. On the other hand, the introduction of these measures comes at the expense of sacrificing some of our most cherished civil liberties and rights as citizens. No doubt, there is a trade-off between security and liberty, but what is the ideal balance between them?

Yes they should

Side Score: 30
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Not necessarily

Side Score: 26
powl17(83) Banned
2 points

No they shouldn't, and anyone who believes so deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Side: Yes they should
2 points

Why did you post "no" on the yes side? That just hinders the potential for the debate.

Side: Not necessarily

Why is that? Is that just because it is a well known quote or what? I haven't seen any proof of this yet.

Side: Yes they should
powl17(83) Clarified Banned
1 point

You haven't seen any proof of this because you haven't been looking for it, and yes this is a quote. The full quote states “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Ben Franklin

Side: Yes they should
warrior(1854) Banned
3 points

No those who sacrifice liberty in the name of safety deserve nether and lose both.

Side: Not necessarily
2 points

Sorry to say but that was complete and utter bullcrap.

Side: Yes they should
warrior(1854) Disputed Banned
1 point

No it isn't. The more power you give the government and the more control over your life you give the government the more at risk you are to suffer abuses of power at the governments hands. Not to mention most of the so called "safety" measures we have taken have backfired. Did you know during the "wild west" our murder rate was lower than it is now but the number of justifiable homicides (killing in self defense) was astronomically higher than it is now. It wasn't until the first gun control laws came into effect that we saw murder rates clime dramatically.

Side: Not necessarily
Casimir(1) Disputed Banned
1 point

Sorry but that just doesn't means anything .

Side: Yes they should
Scout143(651) Clarified Banned
1 point

It's a quote from Benjamin Franklin on the power of government.

Side: Yes they should
warrior(1854) Disputed Banned
1 point

It means that when we sacrifice liberty for safety we lose both liberty and safety.

Side: Not necessarily

Classic Thomas Jefferson quote.------------------------------------

Side: Not necessarily
warrior(1854) Disputed Banned
1 point

I quoted Benjamin Franklin actually.not Thomas Jefferson.

Side: Yes they should
Julius(201) Disputed
1 point

Every hear of Sovernty? The right for a country to rule their people? If they wan't to lower liberty for safty, it's their own choice.

Side: Yes they should
warrior(1854) Disputed Banned
1 point

The authority to govern comes from the consent of the governed. It's the people's decision.

Side: Not necessarily
Casimir(1) Disputed Banned
1 point

just random bullshit, meaningless .

Side: Yes they should
endhypocrisy(65) Disputed
1 point

OK, we all know you can quote the native killers-- I mean Founding Fathers-- until the cows come home. Now do you actually have an argument of your own, for once?

Side: Not necessarily
Atrag(5551) Banned
1 point

Incase you were wondering how Prodigee managed to write somthing that was more than an irrelevant insult: http://idebate.org/debatabase/debates/peace-security-human-rights/house-believes-civil-liberties-should-be-sacrificed-greater-good I'd be absolutely amazed if he can add an argument to this debate. Lets see. I double dare you to try and say something intelligent Prodigee ;)

Side: Not necessarily
1 point

No but you should be sacrificed for the greater good

on a side note Ban me! Ban me!

Side: Not necessarily
Sitara(11082) Banned
1 point

Hell no. What kind of fascist bullshit is this? .

Side: Not necessarily
1 point

You know I am not to sure it this is fascist but it can practically lead to an extremely powerful government or a protective one. Not to sure.

Side: Yes they should
Sitara(11082) Banned
1 point

Agreed. .

Side: Yes they should
powl17(83) Banned
1 point

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Ben Franklin

Side: Not necessarily
zico20(345) Disputed
1 point

I bet you would change your mind if they eliminated all airport security checks in the name of liberty and planes were blown out of the sky on a regular basis.

Of course Franklin never anticipated Muslims being in this country blowing up buildings and people when he made that statement. If Muslims were here at that time killing innocent people, he never would have made that comment, I can assure you that.

Side: Yes they should
powl17(83) Disputed Banned
1 point

Actually, he made that comment for this exact reason. You just wait, somethings going to happen one of these days and every street corner in America is going to look like Boston did after that bombing, only difference is people will be drug out of their homes and executed, just like the British did to anyone supporting the American cause for liberty.

Side: Not necessarily
1 point

Without civil liberties, people cannot pursue the foundation of happiness which is the right to follow it

Side: Not necessarily