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Communism Capitalism
Debate Score:28
Arguments:30
Total Votes:31
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Communism or Capitalism

Which system produces the best societies in theory and in practice? What are the problems of each system? Which system is fairer?

Communism

Side Score: 13
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Capitalism

Side Score: 15
1 point

The Progressive Left has been in bed for decades with the Communist they wish for Communism in this country but when Hillary gets defeated they hate Communist and Putin. The American Left of today are more dangerous than Putin !

Side: Communism
1 point

I think both sides suck. Fascism is where it's at, my home slice bread slice.

Side: Communism
Surgeon(8) Disputed
2 points

Despite the ironic nature of your post. The only difference I can discern between Communism and Fascism is the sections of society they intern. Political opponents or races or both. Economically one is against private property (full stop), the other against the use of private property 'where it is not in the nationalistic interest'.

Side: Capitalism
Crusaderjak(3) Disputed
1 point

Home slice Bread slice, my main man Surgeon. Im messing around. Its just a prank.

Side: Communism
2 points

Hello W:

Capitalism, WITH caveats.. Cause, capitalism isn't just one thing.

You've got UNFETTERED capitalism, which means NO rules, and that doesn't work.. And, we got CRONY capitalism, and that doesn't work either..

Capitalism works when people COMPETE and OBEY the rules. Crony capitalism is when a well connected capitalist CAN'T compete, so he asks his buddy in congress to pass a law that makes it EASIER for him to compete.. From then on, how WELL you produce doesn't MATTER any more... How well CONNECTED you are, does..

I'm IN business.. But, I'm NOT connected, so I actually have to COMPETE.

excon

Side: Capitalism
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

FRAUD stay in the basement ! Crony capitalism fuels the Party of the Left just ask Bill and Hillary LMMFAO !

Side: Communism
Somebody(46) Disputed
1 point

Problem is, outlaw60... the Right use this too!

In fact, nearly all Americans like capitalism [no citation needed]

Also, it drove the USA to the spotlight in the first place, so your complaint would just be a minor downside.

Side: Capitalism
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/12/news/economy/hillary-clinton-2015-tax-return/ index.html

No crony capitalism here when it comes to the Clinton's is there ?

Side: Communism
1 point

To begin with, Capitalism is the only economic system of the two that hasn't ended in genocidal oligarchy, so I'd say that's a fair indicator of how this is going to work out.

Second, the human psyche is built around incentives; people, like all other life, are not arbitrary beings. When a person engages in an activity, they do so because they acquire something from it, be it financial stability (occupations), a sense of moral justification (compassion and charity activity), or, quite frequently, the body's own built-in hormonal incentive mechanisms.

It follows, then, that an economic system which inherently relies on incentives will be more effective than one that either discourages them or even disregards them completely. Capitalism, without government intervention, is built on the notion that opportunity creates productivity and all the benefits that follow (wealth, technological innovation, and education, to name a few), while Communism is based on the idea that the government understands more than the people in every meaningful context, and should therefore dictate the entirety of their economic lives. In short, this is a terrible idea: not only does the government have no reason whatsoever to please its citizens (especially since, historically, they've almost exclusively been enforced by strength of arms), but the populous has no incentive to produce or innovate. If the government only allows you so much wealth, regardless of your accomplishments or lack thereof, why bother trying? Fundamentally, Communism not only disregards human nature, but entirely relies on an overwhelmingly moral, selfless citizenry and government, and is therefore entirely unrealistic, existing accurately only in the minds of the hopelessly optimistic, whose disregard of both history and human nature can only be described as delusional.

Side: Capitalism
Truth-Out(18) Disputed
1 point

Well, actually there is much much genocidal oligarchy it is just hidden from the public. The 20 richest people in the America have as much wealth as the bottom 152 million people in America. Our form of capitalism has never worked for the poor and it's starting to fall apart for the middle class. Capitalism is good in theory but that's not what we have today. Today corporations can buy elections and write legislation that's not capitalism, that's fascism. We used to have capitalism, in the 1940's the rich paid 91 % income taxes, today they're paying close to nothing or in some cases nothing, due to extensive loopholes that were sent in place by the lobbying super rich. Warren Buffet the investing guru admitted to paying a lower tax rate (17%) than his employees.

"The rich keep all of the money, pay none of the taxes.

The middle class keep none of the money, pay all of the taxes.

The poor are just there to scare the shit out of the middle class. " -George Carlin

Side: Capitalism
LichPotato(362) Disputed
2 points

"Well, actually there is much much genocidal oligarchy it is just hidden from the public. "

How, exactly, does one go about hiding the discriminatory mass-murder of the political elite from over 300 million people?

"The 20 richest people in the America have as much wealth as the bottom 152 million people in America."

Your point? The total wealth of the populous is far from static, so it's not as if certain people possessing more resources means there're less for everyone else.

"Our form of capitalism has never worked for the poor and it's starting to fall apart for the middle class."

Define "poor". Last I checked, less than three percent of the population works at minimum wage (and if you're not working, you have no excuse for poverty; there are plenty of companies that hire unskilled, untrained labor [in fact, such a company, under said conditions, is how I recently acquired my first career]), and of that three percent, over three fifths of which are enrolled in school, and even ignoring them, only a quarter of the remaining, older minimum-wage workers fall below the poverty line. How, exactly, does the system "not work for the poor"? (statistics: http://www.heritage.org/jobs-and-labor/report/who-earns-the-minimum-wage-suburban-teenagers-not-single-parents) )

"Capitalism is good in theory but that's not what we have today."

Agreed, though for clearly differing reasons. In my opinion, the government's far too involved in our economic system for it to function correctly. In other words, the problem, in my opinion, is our economy leans too far towards Communism to thrive.

"Today corporations can buy elections..."

Which is entirely illegal; responsibility for failure to enforce campaign and bribery legislation lies entirely on the government's shoulders.

"...and write legislation..."

Can you provide any example of this that doesn't fall under my above statement?

"...that's not capitalism, that's fascism."

Well, the definition of Fascism is actually quite convoluted, but sure, why not? The only purpose this statement has is to contradict your earlier statements; if we are indeed Fascist, it follows we're not Capitalist, and therefore your accusations against it are irrelevant.

"We used to have capitalism, in the 1940's the rich paid 91 % income taxes, today they're paying close to nothing or in some cases nothing, due to extensive loopholes that were sent in place by the lobbying super rich."

Which is, to reiterate, illegal. Further, a progressive tax system is inherently anti-Capitalist, as it punishes success and therefore deincentivizes it, and is therefore inherently contradictory to the system.

"The rich keep all of the money, pay none of the taxes.

The middle class keep none of the money, pay all of the taxes.

The poor are just there to scare the shit out of the middle class."

Other than the fact that the top ten percent of earners in the US account for more than half of all tax revenue, while the top one percent account for around a fifth? Meanwhile, the bottom fifty percent of earners account for three percent of all taxes. I have to reiterate: how, exactly, does the system fail? Where are the unwashed masses of starving children dying in droves in the streets beneath the gold-plated skyscrapers of the rich you appear to be alluding to?

Side: Communism
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

I was under the assumption from MSM Russians were controlling elections these days is that wrong ?

Side: Communism
outlaw60(15500) Clarified
1 point

If it wasn't for Capitalism i wonder where you would get your consumable goods ? Would it be the Government ?

Side: Communism
Somebody(46) Disputed
1 point

Hello there,

First, I would like to accept that capitalism is a biased system and has flaws, like the wealth gap that will inevitably result, or the influence of corporations on the govt. However, communism has all of those flaws and more. It requires a dictatorship (Marxism-Leninism) and they own everything in the country. Also, they often drain the money and wealth out of everyone for their pocket to support social programs that are even worse than that of the capitalist country. Worse, it also claims to protect the weak but the leaders assign that label to everyone that follows them, a.k.a. the strong. Finally, communism has the fatal flaw of denying the individual for its anti-capitalist storyline. A system like that never works.

Side: Capitalism
1 point

Capitalism is the moral system. It allows free people to enter in voluntaristic arrangements for their mutual benefit, allowing them to maximize their potential. Communism is the anti-thesis of this, asking individuals to surrender their labour, property and even their rationality to some abstract Collective. Rand describes this well when she asserts the superiority of the ethics of rational self-interest over altruism.

Side: Capitalism

Was almost brain washed to be communist but am still capitalist.

Rewards must be according individual level of productivity.

If greed and corruption is properly dealt with to ensure fairness, there is always much advancement as compared to communism which motivates lazy asses.

Side: Capitalism
1 point

I never understood the point about Capitalism and greed. It seems to me that we are all 'greedy' in a sense to improve our situation. What is wrong with that. To quote Thomas Sowell:

"I have never understood why it is 'greed' to want to keep the money you have earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”

In other words the people accusing Capitalists of greed, are themselves greedy. But worse they are greedy AND envious.

Side: Capitalism
jeffreyone(1368) Clarified
1 point

I meant genuine greed of mischieviously trying to increase your wealth more than what your hardwork could ever bring to you within a particular period.

Corruption.

That is the only human factor that hinders advancement in a capitalist system.

But even in some communist countries russia , cuba etc. greed and corruption still retards progress.

And even if they are able to do away with that absolutely(most impossible), the communist system is still not fair.

It entertains 'lazy'(Genuine word, different from weak or disabled) people.

Side: Communism