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 Communist: If communism was so good why wouldn't it just appear on its own (13)

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Communist: If communism was so good why wouldn't it just appear on its own

Essentially if people wanted to live in a communist community, all someone would have to do is put the idea out there and naturally with their being a demand for it, investment would fallow...that would get it on the ground, then they could use their profits to expand residence to meet the demand. All it would cost is the interest and profits on an initial small investment to put the community on the market.

But yet this don't happen...do you think its because nobody could ever really want to live in a communist community (Because DEMAND=SUPPLY)? Or is there some other reason I don't know about?

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Communist societies do exist. They are called kibbutz in Hebrew and have been all over North America as "hippie communes".

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Hey, wasn't their one in Isreal?---------------------------------------------------------------

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There are many in Israel, if I recall correctly. Hence by reference to the kibbutz.

There are also some in Spain..............................................................

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Essentially if people wanted to live in a libertarian/representative/democratic/capitalist anarchy/etc community, all someone would have to do is put the idea out there and naturally with their being a demand for it, investment would fallow...that would get it on the ground, then they could use their profits to expand residence to meet the demand. All it would cost is the interest and profits on an initial small investment to put the community on the market.

But yet this don't happen...do you think its because nobody could ever really want to live in a communist community (Because DEMAND=SUPPLY)? Or is there some other reason I don't know about?

Just saying.

Plus there is an argument to be made that an HOA is somewhat communistic in nature, and people do pay to live in places which have this.

steve789(207) Disputed
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Those are forms of Government, not economic systems, obviously the same rules don't apply.

iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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1. Communism is also a political theory as well as an economic system.

2. Capitalis Anarchy would be an economic system as listed above, one commonly promoted among libertarians as also listed.

3. There is nothing inherent about a government however, which would somehow mean any of them could not be criticised the same way you've laid out.

4. Your criticism is not limited to economic systems or governments. It could be applied to many things. That something has not just appeared on its own does not mean necessarily it is either good or bad, which is what I was pointing out.

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Wouldn't this argument apply equally to every economic system aside from the Barter system? There is no real reason to believe that if there was a better economic system out there, that it would "just appear". This is a poor argument.

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By most definitions of "communism", numerous Native American tribes, Inuit communities, tribal African societies, and Amazon rainforest natives are communist. Actually, it sure does seem to be the default position among smaller, isolated communities.

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I'm not sure, I think that depends on the culture. Because when Europe was uncivalized, they used bartar, as opposed to being communal.

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Well there is a difference, though I'd wager it is more circumstantial than cultural. The cultures I was referencing to tend to be isolated by distance or terrain and historically had limited contact with other societies. Also, many of these groups had a tendency to maintain one community. In Europe, contact between different cultures has been frequent for a very long time, as has the tendency for groups to establish multiple communities. This fosters trade, which would tend to foster barter.

But really, my big point is that "Communist" type economic systems DO appear on their own.

I am not arguing for communism, though.

Most of the people are fed propaganda which are always stated as an argument. Such as: people always get paid the same, people are ruled by dictators and people have no freedom, same lies different people. All of these are not true.