I am the one who is saying that women need to be responsible like a man and you are disagreeing with me. Do you think there is anything wrong with the statement "both the man and the woman need to be responsible"?

allowing them greater control

You want equality as long as the woman has more control.

I just think if women want to be equal to a man, they need to be responsible like a man.

Are you saying they aren't responsible now? That a man shouldn't have to worry about contraception because it's only for a woman? What kind of back asswards thinking is that?

Women bearing the burden for contraception allowing them greater control of their bodies is my number one reason for saying this

Women can have as much control over their bodies as they want, that doesn't mean men should be careless which is essentially what you're saying when you think only one party should be careful.

You aren't actually. You are taking a very general statement and treating it like a very specific one without letting anyone else know that is your intention. That isn't debating.

But, that isn't the only form of contraception, right? There is also men's contraception. Agreed?

For fucks sake Dana.. I am going to get really pissed off. WHY DONT YOU READ WHAT HE SAYS!!!?!?!?!?!??!

You are saying that women are 100% responsible for whether they have a baby or not. This means that men are 0% responsible right?

Some would argue that the responsibiltiy is 50% 50% or 30% 70%. What proportion are you arguing? 100% women 0% men?

Of course we have the right to our opinion, just like you do. But when more than one person is pointing out the obvious perhaps if you should readjust how you say it to better clarify what you mean. When you say:

Contraception is the woman's responsibility.

It is the woman who gets pregnant, so she should bear responsibility.

Women need to learn responsibility....................................

All I said was that the one who is able to get pregnant should be responsible for the contraception.

It is the woman's responsibility to use contraception...................................................

And make ZERO mention of the man taking responsibility and in fact continue to say that it should be the woman's responsibility when people say it should be both....the obvious conclusion is that you don't believe the men should be responsible at all. It's not a strawman argument, you aren't the victim of mis-representation. You are either deliberately misleading to the point of minor trolling or don't like that people are pointing out the logical flaw in your stance.

Not like there'd be any difference.

Unless someone is talking on the debate, and is debating on the topic, you'd save time of both of you by banning them.

That's why many ban others. I don't, though.

Okay well, do you at least understand my point?

I didnt ask you to change your mind...