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Yep. Uh...no, silly
Debate Score:117
Arguments:90
Total Votes:149
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Could the universe have created itself?

Atheists claim that the universe doesn't need a Creator. So how do they explain how and why it exists? Without a Creator, the universe must have created itself. Of course, no rational person could ever believe something so ridiculous.  Right?

Yep.

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Uh...no, silly

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2 points

Without a Creator, the universe must have created itself.

Yup.

Side: Yep.
1 point

Of course, no rational person could ever believe something so ridiculous.

Lol. Oh, of course buddy. When rational people find something they can't explain they automatically attribute it to an omnipotent bearded deity who lives in the sky. That's what rational people do. You've got us there.

Side: Yep.
1 point

When rational people find something they can't explain

They say they can't explain it.

they automatically attribute it to an omnipotent bearded deity who lives in the sky.

No one ever claimed God had a beard or "where He lives".

That's what rational people do.

Actually rational people see something and assume it got there somehow, and with no definitive answer, come up with multiple theories of "how", "who" or "what".

You also claim Satan is an alien god worth sacrificing goats to.

Side: Uh...no, silly
Grugore(849) Disputed
1 point

Of course, buddy. When someone denies the obvious reality of a Creator, they will believe anything. Even that the universe can create itself. LOL. Stupid doesn't even come close to describing such a person.

Side: Uh...no, silly
ThePeanut(4) Disputed Banned
1 point

When someone denies the obvious reality of a Creator

Try to wrap your incredibly stupid mind around the fact that your delusional opinion about what is "obvious" counts for less than a fart in the dark. These "rational" people you seem so keen to associate yourself with only care about EVIDENCE. They do not care about your stupid superstitious beliefs from the eleventh century. Understand?

When I see a smooth rounded pebble on the beach I do not automatically assume it must have a creator simply because it looks pretty.

Do you know why?

It's because I'm not a ridiculously stupid retard. That's why.

Side: Yep.
ThePeanut(4) Disputed Banned
1 point

Even that the universe can create itself. LOL.

LOL! You insane little moron. When you fall into a puddle of water do you demand to know who the creator was so you can sue them?

Side: Yep.
1 point

Burritolunch says aliens led by Satan created humans on another site.

Supporting Evidence: Satan burrito (www.facebook.com)
Side: Uh...no, silly
Grugore(849) Disputed
2 points

A perfect example of what the Bible calls a reprobate mind.

Side: Yep.
ThePeanut(4) Disputed Banned
2 points

Burritolunch says aliens led by Satan created humans on another site.

He said nothing of the kind you boring fascist scumbag.

Side: Yep.
1 point

Proof that it is burritolunch aka nom-

Supporting Evidence: Proof it is Nom Burrito (www.facebook.com)
Side: Uh...no, silly
ThePeanut(4) Disputed Banned
1 point

Proof that it is burritolunch

"Proof" Brontoraptor likes it up the pooper and worships Hitler:-

"I provide you links of Hitler and Mussolini's quotes"

http://www.createdebate.com/browse/waterfall/brontoraptor/192/96

"I like it up my butt because I'm a big gay Nazi"

http://www.createdebate.com/browse/waterfall/brontoraptor/192/96

Side: Yep.
3 points

Atheists claim that the universe doesn't need a Creator. So how do they explain how and why it exists?

Your question is predicated on the fallacy that the universe needs to explain to you how and why it exists. It is under no obligation to do so.

Side: Uh...no, silly
Grugore(849) Disputed
1 point

I guess I was operating under the fallacy that you have a functioning brain. My bad.

Side: Yep.
2 points

Look at the debate score. Just look at all the idiots who believe that the universe created itself! If it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious.

Side: Uh...no, silly
MasterYoda(224) Disputed
1 point

Look at the debate score. Just look at all the idiots who believe that the universe created itself! If it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious.

I never claimed that the universe created itself. My claim is that anyone who claims to know something no human truly knows just because an equation or worse yet a 2000 year old scripture tells them so is an idiot.

Side: Yep.
Grugore(849) Disputed
2 points

So, are you saying that it's idiotic to believe what a historical document says?

Side: Uh...no, silly
1 point

I never claimed that the universe created itself. My claim is that anyone who claims to know something no human truly knows just because an equation or worse yet a 2000 year old scripture tells them so is an idiot

Cool. I can always tell the people who haven't really studied it. There's a reason Hitchens never used anything similar to your arguments when he debated Theists.

Side: Uh...no, silly

Atheists claim that the universe doesn't need a Creator.

Consciousness can only come from consciousness.

So how do they explain how and why it exists?

My theory: An omnipotent singularity of consciousness, aka God, manifested it.

Without a Creator, the universe must have created itself.

Which is impossible.

Of course, no rational person could ever believe something so ridiculous. Right?

Agreed.

Side: Uh...no, silly
Again(192) Disputed Banned
1 point

Consciousness can only come from consciousness

Ahahahahaha! Firstly, the universe isn't conscious. Secondly, your statement is a denial of the theory of evolution, in which conscious, sentient beings developed from non-conscious single-celled organisms.

Why are you so stupid bronto? You're literally borderline retarded.

Side: Yep.
1 point

Ahahahahaha! Firstly, the universe isn't conscious

Exactly. It's a physical thing, a medium, and obviously created.

Side: Uh...no, silly
1 point

Secondly, your statement is a denial of the theory of evolution

Not actually. Evolution is simply the slowed down process of a conscious mind developing other conscious minds. Evolution is like looking at a computer program and breaking it down into millions of codes and slowly observing said codes one by one over time.

Side: Uh...no, silly
1 point

In which conscious, sentient beings developed from non-conscious single-celled organisms.

Robots are constructed using small parts. A robot is still the end result. And said robot is obviously designed by a conscious entity.

Side: Uh...no, silly
Jody(1349) Banned
1 point

Who created the creator? If everything needed a creator that must include the creator if you wish to be logically consistent

Side: Uh...no, silly
Grugore(849) Disputed
1 point

Only physical things need to be created. God is not physical, therefore He's eternal. Anyway you slice it, the universe requires a Creator. And that Creator would have to be eternal. Otherwise you would have an infinite regression of causes. Something that science tells us is impossible.

Side: Yep.
Jody(1349) Disputed Banned
1 point

Only physical things need to be created.

How do you prove something cannot come from nothing?

God is not physical, therefore He's eternal.

God is an unproven ones views on such are mere speculation

Anyway you slice it, the universe requires a Creator.

How do you demonstrate this?

And that Creator would have to be eternal. Otherwise you would have an infinite regression of causes. Something that science tells us is impossible.

That still does not prove the existence of a god

Side: Uh...no, silly
AmadeusChan(10) Disputed
1 point

Who created the creator?

The creator was already there because there was no beginning until he created it.

Side: Yep.
Jody(1349) Disputed Banned
1 point

Right , and you prove that how? That’s called special pleading

Side: Uh...no, silly
MasterYoda(224) Disputed
1 point

The creator was already there because there was no beginning until he created it.

But how do you know if that even makes sense?

Side: Uh...no, silly
1 point

Let's look at this from more than one angle.

The universe, the full extent and complexity of which is still to be discovered, must have been created by some form of hyper intelligence.

How else could all this immeasurable, ever expanding mass have come into existence?

We know, or at least we think we know that nothing from nothing = nothing and nothing plus nothing = nothing, right?

So, why are we expected to believe that nothing plus nothing = something, i'e., the Cosmos.

Equally, the same argument applies about the existence of a hyperactive, super-natural intelligence;- * FROM WHERE DID THIS SUPERNORMAL PHENOMENON ORIGINATE?

Side: Uh...no, silly
Grugore(849) Disputed
1 point

Your second point is valid only in the physical universe, which God created. What makes you think He would be subject to the laws of His creation? God had no beginning. No one created Him.

Side: Yep.
Cocopops(343) Disputed
1 point

I feel that when considering such a complex issue the best we mere mortals can do is cast our net wide and keep an open mind.

In our finite world where almost everything is tangible and has a life cycle/span most of us have difficulty imagining an infinite macrocosm which never had a point of creation and will will exist for eternity.

I assume the supernatural force to which you refer is the Christian God.

If so, isn't that a little arrogant?

What about the 100s of millions of people of different faiths who worship other Gods

Are you saying 1.8 billion Muslims are all exalting a false God?

I don't particularly think that this much praised, unknown, unseen hyper-intelligent force would be subject to our laws of physics and could not have always been present and always will be.

But then, why should I or anyone else believe in such an outlandish theory.

Indeed, how and why should anyone subscribe to such a quirky hypothesis?

As no one has ever proven beyond a doubt the origins of the Cosmos my standpoint is;- I'm hedging my bets and will accommodate an array of beliefs including the existence of a God-( no point in taking unnecessary chances), the theory of the Big Bang and the ensuing process of evolution on earth.

In all cases the best anyone can do is try to convince us on blind faith that their explanation for the creation of the universe is the true version of events.

Those who can present the most persuasive and convincing solution to the unsolved mysteries of all that's in the universe will enjoy the greatest following.

Side: Uh...no, silly
TheGhost(2) Disputed Banned
0 points

Let's look at this from more than one angle.

Translation: let me begin rambling on like the narcissistic, mentally ill nincompoop you have come to know me to be.

The universe, the full extent and complexity of which is still to be discovered, must have been created by some form of hyper intelligence.

AHAHAHAHAHA! Priceless. So "looking at this from more than one angle" is, to you, making arbitrary statements of fact completely absent any form of evidence to support them? You're hilariously mad. The extent of your mental illness is quite jaw-dropping.

Time has a direction and it goes forwards. As it goes forwards it adds stuff to what was there before. There is nothing mystical about that process. It's just the way the universe is built and it has nothing to do with a creator. Nobody has to "create" volcanic eruptions, tectonic plate shifts or anything else in the natural world. They happen because of two things: probability and time.

Side: Yep.
3 points

AHAHAHAHAHA! Priceless. So "looking at this from more than one angle" is, to you, making arbitrary statements of fact completely absent any form of evidence to support them?

Yes, we fully understand how you come at the idea of how reality started.

Why did you feel the need to describe your mindset to us?

Side: Uh...no, silly
Grugore(849) Disputed
1 point

I'm going to have to invent some new words to describe what an idiot you are.

Side: Uh...no, silly
Cocopops(343) Disputed
1 point

Hi Nom, Was that really the best you could do?

I assumed the first line was representative of the rest of your standard bullshit so I took a sharp RIGHT-hander back into the world of realism and sanity.

Remember a little while back I predicted that you'd swallow my baithook line and sinker again?

Well, GOTCHA.

Roars of laughter from the back stalls.

You just can't resist the responding to the allure of my literary genius.

Side: Uh...no, silly
1 point

Time has a direction and it goes forwards

Yes, and into a tiny point within the singularity over the event horizon. Where do you think it goes? Do tell.

Side: Uh...no, silly