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Debate Score:46
Arguments:18
Total Votes:53
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Customary Tipping

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Side Score: 31
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Side Score: 15
5 points

I waited tables for eight years, and virtually all of my pay came from my customers. I was paid $3.09 an hour, not even close to enough to live on by itself.

This is how it should be, it ensures that your table server is courteous and makes the attempt to be sure you're satisfied: there's much at stake for the servers if they're aiming for a tip.

It also allows a level of recognition and merit pay that doesn't exist in a lot of minimum-wage jobs, which can keep morale higher and lower turnover in good workers for the owner. Bad servicepeople don't make enough, and they move on. Good ones stay and make good money.

Speaking as a waitress, the incentive of the tip also gives the customer an advocate in the kitchen. I know if I bring a plate of food to you and it's cold or not properly prepared, my tip will suffer, so I'm going to lean on the cooks harder to do a good job.

Side: Pay For Performance
Umibozu(4) Disputed
1 point

Tips are a bonus. Relying on solely on tips means something is already wrong as bonuses are not always guaranteed. Aiming for a higher paying job instead of "aiming for a tip" would be ideal. Aiming for a tip means you are hoping or gambling that the customers gives you more money.

"Ensuring that your table server is courteous and makes the attempt to satisfy" That is a poor argument because if I wanted to ensure something, I would pay for it in advance. As a customer, if I wanted better service, I would pay for it "before" service is rendered, not tip you after for it. Think First class tickets, one pays in advance to ensure a better service and treatment, not after. Tipping or paying "after" for better service, only serves as a grade of how well the server performed and does not guarantee that a tip is always given nor better service provided.

"Level of recognition and merit pay" should be provided by your management not the customer. Customers should grade the service via comment cards. Managers should merit pay based on that.

A waiter's and server's job is defined and are hired by the restauranteur's management. Customers do not hire the waiters. Customers should not pay the waiters, their management does. The diners therefore should not receive the burden in contributing anything beyond their already paid wages. Service is already a fundamental part of the establishment's business.

The menu price is the contracted price between the diner and the establishment. Waiters should not be considered a middle man contracted out to serve the diner. The diner should not be obligated to pay an addition beyond the menu stated price especially if the service charge is already included. Therefore waiters should not expect a tip. This reinforces the legal transaction of trade as business model.

Side: Oppose
4 points

i support it cause basically I tip for good service. makes them work harder.

if they do a shitty job, they get a shitty tip.

Side: support
4 points

I think it's a good way to say thank you. and think about it: if you were working for hours serving people wouldn't you take the extra money ?

Side: support
2 points

I absolutely support customary tipping. I strongly support pay-for-performance compensation and customary tipping is a fantastic way that many societies have incorporated this into everyday life. I'm not so fond of mandatory tipping, though.

Here is who I think its most important to tip:

- Hairdressers

- Servers

- Parking Attendants

- Airport Baggage Handlers (especially curbside check-in)

- Bartenders (once, at the end of the night)

Here is who I still tip, begrudgingly:

- Taxi Drivers

- Hotel Bellboys

- Bartenders (on a per drink basis)

- Curbside pick-up (at restaurants)

Side: Pay For Performance
2 points

I support customary tipping as a way to incentivize people to do a good job. At restaurants, I typically start at 20% as my customary tip, and then adjust upwards or downwards based on the service I receive. People who I think deserve tips the most:

- Waiters / Waitresses

- Furniture Movers

- Hotel Baggage Handlers

- Hotel Maids (especially if you leave a big mess)

One thing that does bother me about tipping is when going to another country the tipping custom is always a bit uncomfortable. For example, on a recent trip to Barbados they include a 10% service charge on everything before they bring it to you. Is that supposed to be the tip? Am I supposed to add extra? I usually just added 10% more but who knows if that was the right thing to do or not?

Side: Pay For Performance
2 points

As a tipped server, I'm probably biased as far as this goes. That said, I am still divided when it comes to tipping. When I go out, I tip out of respect for etiquette and the person helping me, but even at 20% I can't help feeling like I'm tossing scraps. On the other end of things, I appreciate receiving tips as it makes it much easier for me to support myself while going to school. I feel guilty, however, every time someone goes the extra mile to help me out at say, a bookstore and they're still getting paid minimum wage. Society tells me that bookstore employees are not generally people you should hand a couple dollars to for a good job.

I've often wondered how tipping has affected the dynamics of customer service over the centuries. It seems as though many people I come into contact with use a trip to a restaurant to experience what it would be like to have personal servants. Anyway, I agree with Loudacris about tipping based on performance. It's gratifying to have a job in which my competence pays off, unlike some places where the person working their ass off gets the same crappy wage as the one messing around on their cell phone all day.

Side: Pay For Performance
2 points

As a bartender myself, and having had every form of income be from a restaurant service position I absolutely support tipping in America. I make $3.15 an hour as a bartender but have made as much as $700 on a a 13 hour shift. How much you make directly depends on how hard you work. What's wrong with that? Yeah, I've had great nights. I've also had horrible nights too. Try working in a bar in downtown Phoenix during the day when it's 115 degrees outside. You think anyone's around to tip you?

Let's also look at the failure rate of restaurants and bars. Nobody would even attempt to open a restaurant if you had to pay your staff even minimum wage. Two things are guaranteed to happen: price for your meal goes up to cover labor costs, or the failure rate goes up even higher further discouraging people to open restaurants.

One more thing, European servers and bartenders do receive a salary and depending on location, pretty good ones. The tip is then considered to be in the bill already, which doesn't mean that the servers get tipped at the end of the night by their employers. It just means they are in fact being paid. I worked in a restaurant and a night club in Switzerland. Yes you still would like to be tipped regardless, but 10% would have always sufficed.

Side: Pay For Performance

I like the idea of a tip because you can give them more money if they do a good job and less if they do a crappy job... there are more areas where I wish we could do that! A bad tip from me is 10%, a good one is 20%!

Side: support

Food Servers depend on their tips because their wages are low so tipping should be the norm.

Side: support
0 points

I tip for good service always directly to the person in question. I've recently discovered that if I pay a service charge on a credit card that person doesn't get the money in addition to their wages which is slap-bang out of order.

Side: support
5 points

Service workers should be paid a fair wage by their employer. Tipping just encourages poor labor practices by keeping minimum wage workers from banding together and demanding pay increases or benefits. As a consumer, I should not be expected by society to supplement an establishment's labor costs. States in which tipped workers are paid below minimum wage should change their laws.

"Tipping is for the birds."
Side: employers should pay fair wages
3 points

Customary tipping is for the birds. It should already be built in to the price of the product that you're buying. Why should I have to pay a bartender $1 to pull a beer out of a cooler and hand it to me. It's ridiculous.

Side: employers should pay fair wages
Loudacris(912) Disputed
3 points

In theory, you should get better service if you do. However, you'll notice that I singled out tipping bartenders per drink as a kind of crappy tip opportunity. I would much rather (and usually do) leave one tip at the end of the night. The "pay-per-performance" aspect makes more sense then.

Side: Pay For Performance
2 points

A waitress works in a café for low pay, which involves bringing coffee over to people.

I work in a warehouse for low pay, which involves heavy lifting.

Where's my tip?

Side: oppose
3 points

The difference between you and the waitress is that you, at the very least, make minimum wage...the waitress does not. It is built into the wage standards in every state that certain workers, including waitstaff, are not subject to the minimum wage laws and the employer is not obliged to change it. Add to that the mandatory % tipping to the bus boy (s) and bartender from your tips. If you think waiting tables is easy, think again.

When traveling to another country, and most especially in Europe, the "Service Charge" listed on the check IS the tip. You are always free to add to that for good service and it is greatly appreciated. If you're not certain about the service charges ask the Host or Hostess or check at your hotel.

Side: support
2 points

Screw tipping...Increase wages.

Simple as that.

Tipping occassionally, when its DESERVED is fine,but, Customary Tipping is bullshit.

I recently went to a lounge (which wasnt anything spectacular, just a regular lounge) and the staff inquired why I didnt tip, they said it is customary to tip!! well the service wasnt anything special, the waiter never came to the table other than to take our order, why would you say I have to tip? and this is when MINIMUM WAGE IS $9.50, excuse me for saying, but they can go Fk themselves if they expect a "customary tip".

For those who make $3.00 an hour, I wouldn't think twice on tipping if the service was good, but for those who make good money and ask for customary tipping...eat my shorts.

Side: Oppose
1 point

Coming from a part of the world where tipping is not encouraged, I can argue for and against it. Servers would feel dishonored because tipping equates to donating to pan handlers. Providing a tip in Japan, means you feel sorry for their profession, and means you look down on them. Its almost aristocratic.

If one has to rely on their bonuses, then something is already wrong with one's profession. Its bonus, not a guarantee.

People that suggests it's to ensure better service rendered, also have a weak argument. If this was true, one should tip prior to the service not after. Think first class tickets, one pays more in advance to ensure a better service, "before" said service is rendered. Tipping "after" only grades the waiter on how well they performed. Case in point, one cannot get better service after the service is already rendered right? It also does not ensure they will always get a tip either regardless how well they performed. To suggest that the recognized diner returns reinforces the waiter to maintain a higher level of performance does not make sense as one might not get the same waiter, and one might not return to the restaurant either.

Service is fundamental part of the establishment's business model. A waiter's job is defined, and hired by management, the restauranteur. The diners do not hire the waiters and therefore should not receive the burden in contributing anything beyond to their already paid wages. The menu price is the contracted price between the diner and the establishment. Waiters should not be considered a middle man contracted out to serve the diner. They represent and are part of the establishment. The diner should not be obligated to pay an addition beyond the menu stated price especially if the service charge is already included. Therefore waiters should not expect a tip. This reinforces the legal transaction of trade as a business model.

If tipping is considered a gift, then waiters should not get taxed by it. (monetary gifts under US$13,000 per year is not taxed by IRS)

Side: Oppose