DMS 2nd Period: Should African Artifacts Be Returned to Africa?
**This debate is part of a test grade and only for DMS students, please.**
Requirements for this debate:
-You must write a detailed, original (your own) response to EACH SIDE (2 comments) that includes sources/evidence (sources from packet, artifacts from Pop-Up Museum, and Declaration of Human Rights)
-You must reply to other comments (in a respectful, polite way) and vote (thumbs up/down) on comments.
Questions to think about, write about:
---Is it more important that artifacts be seen in their original location or by the most number of people in a museum location (even if it is in another country)?
Yes, returned to Africa.
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I believe that the Africans should have their artifacts given back to them at once because the should be able to have what THEIR ancestors created and worked on, and basically it belongs to the Africans anyways, and it was wrongfully stolen/looted from them. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think that the artifacts that were stolen or looted from Africa in the past should be returned, but that the artifacts that were lawfully and fairly paid for should stay in museums. These artifacts are very important to the Africans, and a letter written by the President of Ethiopia to British organizations in Source #2 states that "Ethiopians have long grieved at the loss of this part of their national heritage." And Prince Edun Akenzua of Benin City says in Source #3 that "Those things were chapters of our history book. When they were made, the Benin people did not know how to write, so whatever happened, the Oba instructed the bronze casters to record it." These African artifacts need to be returned because without them, the African peoples will not know their history. The point of keeping African artifacts in museums is to allow the people of the world to know their history and all of the accomplishments that they have made, but sadly, most of the African people are in war or poverty, as it says in Source #9, and this makes it hard for most Africans to view the awe-inspiring artifacts that their ancestors have created. And, Prince Edun had a proposal for the British museums in Source #3. He thinks that replicas of the African artifacts could be placed in museums for all to see and learn about, and the original artifacts would be returned to the Africans, leaving everybody happy. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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The Africans have the right to some of the Artifacts that they created because it is important for them to learn about there culture and their past. I can see how the African people feel at an injustice toward the British having possession of their artifacts, but that doesn't mean Africa should get all of their artifacts back. the Africans should be able to have some of them back though. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
I think that the artifacts should be returned to Africa because that is where they were made. Every country has artifacts, and those artifacts have remained, or have been returned. Originally when the artifacts were taken they had not been looted, but the circumstances have changed and according to the African Government they want there looted artifacts returned, and I agree with this statement. the artifacts are one with the culture of Africa and belong where they can be admired by the people who made them. Although Europe is safer, Africa is still the better place for the artifacts to be. These artifacts are part of the national heritage, and are treasures of Magdala. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think the artifacts should be returned to africa because after all they are theirs and their ancestors did create these artifacts .The new generations in africa deserve to know what their ancestors created . These artifacts show their culture too ,so, that's definitely important for them to know.Although, i feel that not all artifacts should be returned .I believe that only the artifacts that were looted should be returned .I believe this because the world deserves to see these beautiful artifacts . They deserve to see africans beautiful culture. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think the artifacts should be returned to Africa because those are the artifacts that their ancestors created. They should be able to see that part of history. Ethiopians have grieved at the loss of these artifacts. It is part of their national heritage so they should see it. Source 1 and 2 Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think that it they should return to Africa because it belongs to them and they made it. Also if one of them belonged to one of their ancestors then they should definitely keep them to remember what amazing things they did or something like that. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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It is true that these African artifacts were like the history books for Africa. I do believe in some cases they should be returned. Some were illegally taken from the countries by Europe. Some of the countries in Africa grieve the loss of their artifacts and that they are part of their heritage and should be rightfully theirs. In a statement from the Prince of Benin he says "The English returned the Stone of Scone to Scotland. So why can't they return our things?" Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think they should return all the artifacts, if they are stolen/taken. I think this because they did not have no right to take the artifacts but if they are won only by being fare Its okay because I get if they are only won by war or a fare thing but Africa also has a right to get back what it owns its called the right of ownership. the person/place that it has been taken from has the right to get all of it back . :) Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I agree these artifacts should be returned to their right-full owners. They were made there so they belong their. Africa has plenty of resources to care for there artifacts. If there all the way in Europe how are the Africans knowing if there artifacts are okay and they are in a safe place having good care taken for them. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think that all of the artifacts that were stolen or looted need to be returned. I think this because these artifacts belong to who made them and not to those who stole them from the Africans long ago. These artifacts show the culture of the Africans and when people take them for their own pleasure they do not realize that they are really taking part of the Africans history. In source one it states " These treasures belong in Africa , as that's where they were looted from." It also states " People of those countries should be able to see the treasures their ancestors created." Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think they should be returned. They are from Africa they don't belong to the world. In source 3 it says that they hope someone will understand why they want them back.It also says that they have no meaning to the british but have a lot meaning to the people it was taken from. The british could just make replicas and return the original artifacts. "It's time they stopped hogging the world's treasure." i read one wear it says the ethiopians grieved for a long time for the loss of things from their heritage. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I believe that Africans should get the artifacts that were stolen. Think of all of the kids that grew up not understanding their culture and only knowing what they are told. Also,this is against the 15th human right (nationality), and while i understand it was not a law back then, it is now and must be acknowledged. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I believe that the artifacts are very important to the Africans because their ancestors created them and they have been dead for maybe hundreds of years and they show religious pictures. the Africans made them, not the Europeans, so it show no religious value to them. it just looks like random people worshiping random things. source #1 says that the artifacts belong in Africa, which is where they were looted from, and that Africans should see African art. source #2 Ethiopians grieve the loss of the arts and artifacts for it is part of their heritage. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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i think that if the artifacts gets returned back to Africa that african people will be happy about that plus if they give replicas . it will help us out by still having artifacts but they won't be real but they will help us learn about africa. but also the museums should give the stuff that was stolen/looted along time ago but if not stolen items should stay . Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I get where some of you guys are coming from BUT... lets say that some country comes and DESTROYS Lady Liberty and The White house, would you say that they should be held responsible? I would. And I believe the same thing applies to the Artifact Situation, no they didnt destroy the artifacts but they still took something that didnt belong to them and they had no business taking it. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I think that Africa should get back their items that was stolen because they build them and took time in them and also Africans took there time to make their art and they have the rights to keep what they have and they also have the right to fight for what's there and I also don't think that people should just walk in and take their stuff...So yea African's should get their stuff back. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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WZUP? anyway i think they should be returned to Africa that is where they belong right where they are also the '' the source 1'' says they need to stay where they are also that they need to be in africa that is where they are looted form am i right Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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Stealing isn't the correct term that should be used when it was entirely lawful to loot items from foreign counties at the time. There is even a law that states that anything that was looted before 1970 is rightfully the looters, Source - the blogs Side: No, stay where they are.
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I believe that the African people should get their artifacts back, their ancestors created these things and it is a part of their history and their heritage. Some of these artifacts were bought in shops but others were stolen and those stolen artifacts should be returned to the people of Africa. Source #1" These treasures belong in Africa, as that's where they were looted from" Pankhurst. This is their history if these artifacts were returned they would not let them be stolen twice. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I agree, the artifacts belong in Africa, and even if they are more accessible in museums they should be returned to Africa. They were looted, and the laws have changed, stolen (or looted) goods should be returned to the rightful owners, which is Africa. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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It is true that these African artifacts were like the history books for Africa. I do believe in some cases they should be returned. Some were illegally taken from the countries by Europe. Some of the countries in Africa grieve the loss of their artifacts and that they are part of their heritage and should be rightfully theirs. In a statement from the Prince of Benin he says "The English returned the Stone of Scone to Scotland. So why can't they return our things?" Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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The people in Africa deserve to have their artifacts back! I believe the people in Africa deserve to regain their artifacts for many reasons. One reason is the simple fact that Africans made the work and most of it was taken unlawfully from them. The fact that the artifacts where stolen can be supported by souse #2. The items stolen where there history, heritage and how they honor the great and wise ones that came before them. The British or anyone for that matter has no right to take their history away from them. evidenced by source #3 Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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i agree with you because the African artifacts mean ever thing to the African people there ancestors created the artifacts and so the people have made deep connections with the artifacts as if they are apart of their family so if we return them its like reuniting a long lost child Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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i think that the looted items should be taken back because even if it is war proceeds, you still don't really own the country. Source 1 and Source 2 states that taking these away is robbing Africa of their history and property and taking their national heritage away from them, and they are supposed to be reviving the knowledge and items passed down the family. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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I believe that these African artifacts should remain where they are located because of many reasons. - source nine suggests It is not a very safe place/region for these valuable pieces of history and knowledge. there is constant raging warfare in many African country's, much poverty, and other problems. if your country "rightfully owns" these artifacts but is in a dangerous position and/or are putting these artifacts in danger then there is not a reason to destroy these artifacts just for country pride. an example is Somalia, a place who officially declared state of disaster in late February. they are facing disease, civil war, terrorist threats and actions, starvation, drought, and overall collapse of government. if artifacts went to this country they would surely be destroyed like toothpicks in the midst of this nightmarish scene. Africa cannot support these artifacts, let alone a building that will provide protection against the natural elements. -Source six suggests that if they remain in heavily visited and populated ares they will become increasingly popular and globally appreciated, as opposed to a decoration in a hut, where only a group can appreciate the marvels of art created by pre-colonial African tribes. people will become fascinated of what the Africans have done, just like the sculptures and inventions of the Chinese, a international powerhouse that remained inconspicuous to the rest of the world for thousands of years. this advertising and growing interest in these will help support the African country with more donations and help. -Source 8 suggests that not all of the African artifacts were stolen and suggests that many if not more than the looted booty was bought legally in markets or dug up in permitted areas in Africa. Supporters of returning artifacts seem to believe all of it was stolen, but that is nit true! Also this market opened the eyes of the earlier Europeans to the mystical ways and talents of pre-colonial African tribes, as many are today. Side: No, stay where they are.
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Yeah, the artifacts should stay where they are because they show "the diverse and and varied cultures are represented" as said by Hannah Boulton. Besides not ALL of the artifacts were looted or stolen some of them were given to the british in a fair deal. So the Africans can't just take it back when they technically took it BEFORE human rights so it wasn't illegal. Also it's being used to teach different audiences about the culture. So the Africans would be wrong if they took it back. Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
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i think that if people looted for the artifacts and there was no laws that would stop them or for them to be in trouble that it is okay to stay where they are because it help people like me and other kids and adult to learn more about Africa so i think they should stay where they are. source 8 Side: No, stay where they are.
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While some artifacts were proven to be stolen, Majority were bought and/or won through war. Britain did buy some of these artifacts and have proof, so these artifacts deserve to stay in britain. Also, others deserve to see the african culture and understand why they do the things they do [sources 6&7;] Side: No, stay where they are.
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Many of the artifacts obtained at the time of colonization were legally taken, either bought or taken from conquered lands. Why should Britain and other European countries give back artifacts that are theirs? For example, if you bought something from a yard sale and they want it back because they think it is rightfully theirs you wouldn't give it back after you bought it would you? As in an article " It was the looting of Benin that made African art visible to Europeans and the world." Africans have access to these artifacts anyway. Many African countries are encompassed by war and poverty. That creates an unsafe environment for the artifacts. Side: No, stay where they are.
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This argument stated by my friend Walt is correct fully stated; the Artifacts looted benefit more people being in museums than being in their homeland of Africa, where only a few compared to many can see them. Even if the artifacts were returned, how can the Africans guarantee the safety of them due to war and weather? Side: No, stay where they are.
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I agree with this statement because the artifacts were looted legally, so it is rightfully theirs! I also agree with that the artifacts in European museums they can be seen by more and more people not just the people in Africa. They can be appreciated by people around the world and they can understand more of Africa's history Side: No, stay where they are.
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I think the artifacts should stay where they are because when they were taken it was legal for them to take them. With all the war going on in Africa right now they could get damaged, so in Britain they would be safe. Source 6 says that with the artifacts being in European museums, they can be seen and appreciated by people around the world. With them just being in Africa only those people can see them and not by other people! Side: No, stay where they are.
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The people from England should keep the artifacts to keep the precious treasures safe and secure. The people are in wars and they could be damaged or lost forever, these artifacts are not all stolen, we should return the artifacts that were stolen, most of the artifacts that we own we bought we did not take all of them. Source #8 the looting of Africa the people of the world saw the beauty of the African people, this showed mystery and surprise, the people of Europe saw that the Africans were not just savages they were smart and learned more than most English people knew. This shows that the British saw the art and took it because they thought it was good, you still can not steal it is illegal but know that their are laws in place you should return the rightful property of Africa Side: No, stay where they are.
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I think the african artifacts should stay because then we can learn about their culture,art,religion and how they made their weapons. Besides we technically didn't steal the artifacts since it was before 1970 when we took them making it not illegal. Side: No, stay where they are.
I think that the artifacts should remain in Europe, because they are safer there. There is war and poverty in Africa, and the ancient artifacts would only be stolen again. If the artifacts remain in museums there is less chance of the artifacts being destroyed. Also, the artifacts will be viewed by more and more people if they stay in the museums of Europe. the beauty of the ancient art will be taken care of, and respected by the people who came to see it in exhibit. This way the artifacts history will spread all over and will teach people more of how Africa used to be, all over the world. History will spread through the artifacts remaining in the museum. Side: No, stay where they are.
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I some cases yes they should stay where they are so the people of the world can see what this culture is capable of because most people think this culture can do nothing. All though some were looted from Africa like king Tut's tomb and burial headdress(source 10). Even though these were worked for to get these are still important parts of African history. And also according to source 9, Africa may not be able to keep the artifacts safe because of wars and poverty that is going on in Africa. Also according to source 6, most of the artifacts were not looted from Africa and were bought from like a market place. Many people including librarians and citizens have arguments on different things, but according to source 7, the government can only take art in the deciding part of it. and that is why I think artifacts should be kept at the museums in Britain. Side: No, stay where they are.
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African artifacts should be kept in the museums. As it says in Source #9, many African countries are going through war and poverty. Why return the artifacts when there is a possibility for them to be damaged or destroyed, when we can keep them safe in museums? In Source #6, the British museum is making the artifacts available to all, and in doing so helps others understand the great impact that the Africans had on our world, as it says in Source #8. Returning the artifacts would mean that it is harder for people to experience the Africans' accomplishments. And according to Oliver Urquhart-Irvine of the British Library in Source #7, the British Library is unable to give back their artifacts, due to the British Library Act of 1972. Side: No, stay where they are.
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i believe that if Africa got its artifacts back they would be destroyed because of all the violent wars that are happening or they would be stolen by the African people and sold back to us in order to get out of poverty and provide for there family if they have one. Side: No, stay where they are.
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Who visits Africa? With the mosquitoes malaria and other infectious diseases all around Africa, not may go there. So why keep artifacts which could teach our young about the ancient world and times in a place no very safe? Also if you wanted to learn about them in Africa, be warned! they are many wars and fighting that go down in Africa. Just imagine, Africans start a accidental war with some other place and BOOM there's a bomb. too bad a bunch of the artifacts got destroyed! See, In order to protect such precious artifacts from destruction, and allow more people to see and study them, they should be kept in England. sources i found include, #8, and source #9. Side: No, stay where they are.
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The African Artifacts "looted' from the Africans in the 1800's are rightfully belong to the Europeans because at the time there was no law or right that prohibited the action of looting items from other foreign countries. "The 1970 law allows anything taken before then is legal to posses." This quote states that the Artifacts looted at the time rightfully belong to whoever looted them, which was Britain, therefore the British are the rightful owners of the African artifacts. Side: No, stay where they are.
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Are you saying that stealing is right? That its all okay? That does not belong to the British, it belongs to The Africans. You cannot just come and take what you please because you think you have the right to. Human Right #9 states "No Unfair Detainment" which I believe go for those artifacts too... Side: Yes, returned to Africa.
At the time, Human Rights didn't exist. Stealing isn't right, but this isn't stealing. This is a justified example of what happens when someone wins a war and they decide to take prizes from the loser. There is no law against that. Human right #9 really doesn't apply to this situation because it isn't "Unfair Detainment" its the prize that was taken by the British when they won. Side: No, stay where they are.
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Yes, I agree these artifacts should stay where they are. They will be seen more and cared better for in Europe. Europe is a much better place and safer than Africa is, therefore the artifacts would be staying in a safe place most likely a museum. Africa is not a good place to keep these artifacts because they can be damaged easily, stolen, or put somewhere no one can find. Side: No, stay where they are.
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I believe that the artifacts should stay in Europe because they were rightfully bought from the Africans. as stated in source #4 Andre Magnin says "Anytime artwork can be identified the owner is given two choices, either sell the work for the price acquired at, or face the lawsuit for theft. Side: No, stay where they are.
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i think the British should keep the artifacts because they are showing people Africans heritage and culture. source 6 says "As a museum of the world the British museum presents the Benin bronzes in a global context alongside the stories of other cultures and makes these objects as available as possible to a global audience."in source 7 it says they cant just give back the items so they would be able too keep them anyway. Side: No, stay where they are.
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I think they should not return the artifacts becaues if they won it or its a fare trade then that means it belonges to them and africa cant come over and think they can take it back. when somethis is given and no one has a dissagreement then its okay... 8) Side: No, stay where they are.
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I think the artifacts that were not stolen or " looted" deserve to stay where they are because that means someone most likely paid for them at a market and deserves to have them no matter what someone else may say about them keeping them. in source 6 it states " the stories of other cultures and make these objects as available as possible to a global audience." this means that the British museum wants to keep the Artifacts because they believe that people deserve to see other countries cultures. i agree with this because if we did not have artifacts to look at then we will not learn about other places that we may need to learn about. Side: No, stay where they are.
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With the artifacts being in Africa they can get damaged and destroyed. Them being in European museums they are safe and taken care of. It's not like the people don't appreciate these artifacts, they do and they learn more about Africa's history with them being there. Side: No, stay where they are.
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