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SlapMaster's humble offering of CD's Top Debaters!

Title says it all, amigos!

My humble opinion of our Top Debaters. I of course invite--no, I welcome!--your thoughts on my list. thanks.

Here we be goin'...........(no particular order)....

1--Grenache (like my boy O-Reilly tries to be: Fair and Balanced. In a no-spin zone.)

2--Winklepicker (A fine writer and keen intellect. Can be a bit pedantic at times and VERY right-wing, but so what?)

3--IamSpartacus (Probably our best economist. I am glad he decided not to vamos)

4--SlapShot (modesty prevents me from elaborating)

5--Saintnow (This will surprise a few of you. But Saint has been doing a LOT better at providing sources and links to his stuff. He also has surprised me of late with his Biology knowledge!)

6--High Falutin' (Good blend of humor and logic and wit. I think he could even be a fiercer debater if he put his mind to it, but he seems content with just having fun.)

7--Cartman (decent objectivity and fairly well-informed. Makes me laugh more than anybody else around here. Especially when him and Saint go at it!)

8--Harvard (He's not around much, but there is not doubt to his intellect. Needs to tone down the pedantry a bit, but I am guilty of that sin as well.)


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7 points

Any credibility this list might have had went out the window with 5.

4 points

This list is horseshit cuz im not in it. Also, Saintnow has NOT gotten any better with source providing. To date hes maybe given me 3 or 4 sources over hundreds of arguments ive had with him and theyve always been some kind of bullshit christian source even when were debating science like biology. He has never cited a scientific journal or scientific news source with any credibility and his knowledge of biology is dwarfed by that of the average 3rd grader. He thought me saying he was a homo-sapien was me calling him gay. He doesnt even know BASIC taxonomy. For fucks sake

1 point

I would not call my list horseshit, sir. I think it is pretty accurate.

But I will add you; I simply forgot about you since I have not seen you in awhile. You ARE on of the better debaters here.

There. Feel better? LOL

As far as Saint. I think you are selling him short on his science knowledge. I also find it hard to believe he did not know the difference between a homo sapien and a homosexual. You two probably just had a miscommunication? Maybe you called him a "homo" meaning homo sapien and he thought you meant a queer?

This would explain things. Also, as a Biologist I must admit that the correct nomenclature for homo sapien, when we write it in essays and articles and whatnot, is h. sapien. Just like a. afarensis or h. habilis or h. erectus. The "h" is usually abbreviated and taken as a given for referring to a member of the hominid species that is us. The following nomenclature refers to the specific sub-species categorical location on the linear evolutionary scale. And also is a brief description title encapsulating the notable characteristics of that sub-species.

As in: the word "sapien" meaning "wise." (We are actually h sapien sapiens, for "wise wise" hominid.

"habilis" meant "handy man" as he was the first to use tools in a continuous and proficient manner.

"erectus" is of course self-explanatory. We finally got up on to two legs after being quadrupeds.

the a. in a. afarensis is a bit different, as it refers to a geographic location, i.e. australopithecus, being eponymous with the continent of original discovery.

Not to nitpick, just to show that nomenclature can be everything.

SS

Bohemian(3861) Disputed
5 points

As far as Saint. I think you are selling him short on his science knowledge.

His 'disproof' of evolution was the absence of eyewitness testimonies of people morphing into monkeys. I'll let that speak for itself.

And as far as providing sources, not more than 4 minutes ago, he made a claim and then insisted that it is my burden to disprove because "Your rejection of truth does not make [it] my burden of proof".

Most of his "arguments" are him telling people they are going to hell. He does not belong anyway in a top debtors list.

AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
1 point

I was just kidding when i said its horseshit. just bustin your chops

I really do not think im selling saintnow short at all. Ive talked to him in depth and i can tell his depth of knowledge about evolution is 3rd grade biology mixed with 5 or 6 christian "science" articles smearing evolution. Thats it. But if you can cite me something he said where he demonstrates some kind of nuanced scientific opinion ill reconsider my assessment.

There was not miscommunication on my part. I was very very specific. I was explaining that humans ARE apes within basic taxonomy. I said our species is named homo-sapien. And he literally thought that i was suggesting that he was homosexual. So it was either he genuinely doesnt know what i was talking about or dismissed it with some kind of poorly constructed joke if which case he ignored my point entirely. I never used the prefix Homo without it being followed by "sapien" specifically because i did not want him to confuse it. Somehow he did.

Sure thats a valid point. Usually scientific writing will use an abbreviation because within that sphere its convenient and normal. I figured that i was explaining it to a layman that might not understand an abbreviation so i just wrote out the whole thing.

Now i dont claim to be any kind of expert on evolution or biology. I have 9th grade level experience in it and thats about it but i am taking a biology lab for my junior year of college so i hope to learn some more about it. But saintnow just does not even grasp the most basic tenants of evolution. Were talking "if we came from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?" level stuff.

Bohemian(3861) Disputed
1 point

I would not call my list horseshit

I would. I'm not on it.

:P

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FromWithin - So psychotic that you begin to enter his mindset while reading his arguments and need therapy if you read 2 in a row.

Hellno - So sarcastic that every genuine comment of others starts to sound sarcastic once you get used to him.

joecavalry - So many points over 2 accounts. 2 heads are better than one.

Instig8or - Through tough times he has valiantly fought to remain on the site. The only user to be permabanned and yet still use the site openly.

Danny/Lizzie - Lmao... Only those who knows will know. I was the first to ever call her/him out on it. Good times.

1 point

I might've added you to the list but you have not been around in awhile.

Your comments on fromwithout and Hellno were spot on. I think Hellno is outlaw? What's your take on that?

2 points

He's accused me of being almost everyone on here at one point or another, so yeah, I'm sure he thinks I'm Outlaw.

2 points

Thank you for the shout out. I will always aspire to be somewhere up top of a list like that, but it's healthiest to consider that a goal one never quite reaches themself.

And I also want to add that no matter who you are and what you think you know and what your pedigree is - EVERYBODY is wrong sometimes, or loses sometimes, or has to make concessions sometimes. And if someone doesn't accept that that's true for themself then they've created a blind spot for themself and they're not really one of the top debaters after all.

I say Slaphappy, how dare you assert that my politics are right wing. As it happens, politically, I am just somewhat right of Genghis Khan, that mild mannered liberal from the pages of history. Permit me to venture my appraisal of you. You're a rootin-tootin, sharp shooting, print and be damned, lettered, literary equivalent of a barroom brawling hellraiser. Actually that's meant to be a compliment.

2 points

Thank you, mate...I will indeed take that as a compliment.

I aim to be about as sensitive and touchy feely here as would a drunken and pissed off Hunter M Thompson, who was one of my early literary idols.

Gonzo Debating!

I'm not sure how popular he was across the pond in your neck of the woods, though.

SS

BrotherJ(41) Disputed
1 point

WAKE UP! You are dreaming the dream of Maya!

You forgot about me. Its okay, just edit me in.

1 point

I prefer the angle of philosophy over science. Jesus never used science in his preaching or teaching. he created nature, He showed His authority over it by the miracles which brought Him fame, and he forever changed the course of human history by His resurrection from the dead which compelled his followers to hold their own lives as dead men with no life but Jesus Christ in them, the hope of glory, and nothing including being impoverished, tortured and executed could stop them from telling everybody everywhere they went that God had made the way for all to be saved by His resurrection from the dead......and by His grace I will go His way to glory gladly serving Him who made me and died to save me today and forever!!! AMEN! (that's "so be it" for all you guys who get overwhelmed with garbage of paganism trying to hijack God's word)

Jace(5053) Disputed
3 points

Egh. No. You prefer the angle of theology over philosophy and science.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You prefer butt buddies over God, hater, and your desire to be annihilated is your problem, not mine.

1 point

Of course - all is science.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Philosophy not based on fearing God is vain. The Spirit of God is personified as "Wisdom" in the book of Proverbs. If you fear God, you have the beginning of wisdom and solid philosophy. If you don't fear God, all you have is vanity. "Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher, vanity of vanities, all is vanity." at the beginning of Ecclesiastes, and the ending summary:

"Let us hear the conclusion of the matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil".

You, sodomite, prefer a vain philosophy which will take you to Hell hoping to escape reality in death.

SlapShot(2608) Clarified
2 points

I don't try to hijack your gods word, since I don't believe in your God. Or any gods. It's like saying I'm trying to usurp Thor's word. To me they are equally viable insofar as their reality.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Ok, well that little morsel was a shot at whoever it was that tried to paganize the word "AMEN". Some clown pulled up some wickedpedia or something trying to prove even the word AMEN was stolen from paganism......so the remark was not directed at you.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

So why don't you focus on discrediting Thor's word? Why is it so important to you that you discredit God's word? Thor is a straw man, nobody cares if Thor is real. It's only God you want to get rid of, only God you want to deny. He is above all gods, and He's the only One you don't want to meet face to face right now.

AveSatanas(4425) Clarified
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I prefer the angle of philosophy over science

Because you know fuck-all about science and its really easy to make your total bullshit theology sound like some deep philosophical thinking if you use big enough words.

Jesus never used science in his preaching or teaching

Maybe if he did your bullshit theology would be more persuasive and compelling.

he created nature,

Prove it

He showed His authority over it by the miracles which brought Him fame, and he forever changed the course of human history by His resurrection from the dead which compelled his followers to hold their own lives as dead men with no life but Jesus Christ in them,

Correction: the bible CLAIMS he showed authority by performing miracles which cannot be verified by any source other than the bible.

the hope of glory, and nothing including being impoverished, tortured and executed could stop them from telling everybody everywhere they went that God had made the way for all to be saved by His resurrection from the dead

And muslims blow themselves up with bombs because they really really believe THEIR god is real too. People doing crazy shit for what they believe is not evidence that what they believe is true.

......and by His grace I will go His way to glory gladly serving Him who made me and died to save me today and forever!!!

YAY INDOCTRINATION! YAY BRAINWASHING!

AMEN! (that's "so be it" for all you guys who get overwhelmed with garbage of paganism trying to hijack God's word)

Lmao that was way off topic.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

I know you are a baby who throws temper tantrums pretending to be strong. Potty mouth. Once again you lost the argument.

Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

Listen you foul mouth brat who cusses like a mad monkey devil trying to tell me how much love, hope, and joy you have you little liar's lair stinking of reefer.........

Correction: the bible CLAIMS he showed authority by performing miracles which cannot be verified by any source other than the bible.

the hope of glory, and nothing including being impoverished, tortured and executed could stop them from telling everybody everywhere they went that God had made the way for all to be saved by His resurrection from the dead

For 2000 years the fame of Jesus Christ for His miracles has kept His name in the spotlight. Roman historians referred to his miracles as the reason for his fame, and you are just an ignoramus puppet parrot spouting lies you are brainwashed to believe when you say there is no evidence of the miracles of Christ outside of the Bible. You're just a foul mouth punk who is probably missing some teeth already, and because you are so dirty, vile, and full of garbage and spiteful, you are not worth my time to argue with.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

How will you escape reality?.............................................................

You will escape being you in reality by death?

Prove it. and prove you are not on your way to Hell as a sinner separated from God by your sin

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You can follow your lust all the way to Hell if you want to, and see if God hears when you cry out there. Enjoy yourself while you can.

1 point

Debate is part of what conversation these days.If there is some i would sure like to see it.

BrotherJ(41) Disputed
0 points

Are you sure you'd like me t o?

Wow, I'm honored to be mentioned among such an august group. I never really considered myself a debater; more like a commentator / observer...so maybe there's hope for me, yet.

As far as the author of this post, a few words come to mind: erudite, passionate, well-written, razor sharp, didactic, humorous.. just for starters.

Where am I on this list? #69?