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The way Catholicism teaches that the wafer actually becomes the flesh of Jesus Christ when they wave their magic wand over it, they actually are condoning a form of cannibalism. Catholicism is evil. The bread was symbolic of Christ's body, and the wine was symbolic of His blood. That is obvious as they took the bread from His hand and did not eat His fingers. The took the wine from His hand and did not suck his blood like vampires.
Why do people need explanations of the obvious? Did God make them stupid or are they responsible for being stupid?
Yes, in the Roman Catholic service there is a practise which involves the priest giving the congregation a wafer of something,( don't know what it is) and with each piece he/she says, ''body of Christ''. Sure sounds like cannibalism to me.
This is true, it is actually a pagan ritual worshipping the sun god, and when they claim it magically changes into the actual body of Jesus Christ it is cannibalistic.
In His last supper, Jesus took the bread, blessed it, and broke it, passing it to His disciples saying "this is my body, eat, do this in remembrance of me". Real Christians follow the Lord's command I ceremony, remembering the He (Jesus) is the Bread of Life which came down from Heaven and He gave Himself to pay for our sins, His body was broken for us when He took our place in death. The bread is symbolic, and in the ceremony of breaking the bread and eating it, we identify ourselves with the Lord in unity with His purpose which is to bring us back from our sin, our dying, and save us from Hell to give us eternal life in His resurrection.
Catholicism is pagan idolatry and not Biblical Christianity.
But that is not the topic of the debate. Dawkins is condoning literal cannibalism and literally eating human road kill, and in his atheistic beliefs it is natural and even good if the culture permits it. If you are agreeing with Dawkins like you seem to be by avoiding talking about him, please say so. If you think Dawkins is insane from atheism, like I think he is, please say so. Any more comments not focusing on the discussion presented in the OP and the supporting video and you are banned. This is about the idolized leader of atheism and his beliefs, which he justifies by comparing real cannibalism in the dark jungles as normal for those societies and therefore not immoral when allowed by the culture. I don't know, I haven't seen much indication from you that you ever want to discuss anything other than your own feelings with have nothing to do with the OP in any of my debates, so don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
Dawkins' own words showing the video was not a hoax.
I didn't say it was a hoax. I used the text you provided:
", I allowed an Australian film crew into my house in Oxford without realising that their purpose was creationist propaganda."
He was misled and when he was asked that question...
" It is the kind of question only a creationist would ask in that way, and it was at this point I tumbled to the fact that I had been duped into granting an interview to creationists – a thing I normally don’t do, for good reasons"
There is nothing wrong with the question, it is precise and scientific asking for scientific data showing evolution in DNA.
Except the primary thing they were asking for is not a genetic term.
Information is what DNA is
Which part? Base pairs? A gene? A genetic locus perhaps? Maybe an allele? I know, a chromosome, maybe?
When you say "information" does not mean anything in genetics, all you are doing is making yourself sound stupid.
You don't know the first thing about genetics. Just admit.
Information in the genome is never seen to increase through mutation or any process of evolution.
Probably had more college biology than you and certainly I doubt that you could come anywhere close to my ability to get A's on the tests like I did......and I read science articles as a hobby so my educational level is higher than what I took in college.......
Your shotgun approach of disinformation is only attempting to ignore the fact that the answer to the question is no, and that fact is what made Dawkins mad, as he knew that if he answered "no" it proves his "science" is not science but rather a belief system.......so he took some time to regain his composure and went off into a long and weak explanation of his belief system by first implying the question asked was different from what it was asking......ignoring the question and going off in a red herring answer by starting with something like "a common misunderstanding about evolution is that modern day birds turned into modern day mammals" . Your non-impressive spout off about DNA completely fails to answer the question Dawkins evaded as you imply the answer is "yes" when you, as well as Dawkins, know the only correct answer is "no".
DNA is information for a cell on how it is to act and replicate. It's all coded information. Yes it's more than that, but it's whole function is to carry the code needed for the organism to function and reproduce.
I have forgotten more college biology than you now know, and I still know at least as much of it as you do.
I have forgotten more college biology than you now know, and I still know at least as much of it as you do.
The first rule of the Dunning Kruger club is that you don't know you are a member.
In the other debate I questioned your knowledge of what constitutes good science because of comments you make to warrant your arguments above. You call upon yourself as the comments warrant even though you have shown that you lack the skill to evaluate someone elses claims in the field. You do this while unaware of your deficiencies.
In this way my comments inthe other thread are not ad hominen since it is integral to understanding your argument that uses your knowledge as the warrant. You are vouching for something saying it is good science when clearly it is not.
Is me explaining this a bit condescending? Thats okay according to your logic because it is reciprocal.
if you stood in front of me long enough talking this way I would talk back, push your buttons until you became enraged enough to attack me and they I would be excused for knocking your teeth out.
Anyways...are you often prone to fantasizing about hurting strangers? You are rightous inthe fantasies aren't you? Interesting to say the least.
Do you fixate on things out of your control like other peoples debates, does this fixation sometimes result in outbursts? You know how you spam others peoples debates with repetetive messages but refuse to have any discourse.
Between the two of us it is more likely you would become unhinged and attack me. I have no fantasies about knocking your teeth out though. I feel sorry for you.
I suppose you having your own debates that you can ban people on gives you quite the feeling of power over others. You exert this power by continuing to debate people after you ban them...I bet that makes you feel powerful too right?
Do you know how I think you are a pompous jerk? Do you know I asked you to explain how the information presented in the video is not scientific, and you NEVER quoted the video and only insulted the person who wrote it and added insult on top of insult directed at me? You announce your presence with a blanket insult applied to my whole character and intellect, and if you are so stinking good and smart, why don't you quote from the video and show me where it is wrong. Somehow you think you have an excuse to be uncivil, and if you walked in my house acting the way you walked in here with your big mouth insults, it would be proper for me to ask you to leave immediately and if you failed to honor my request it would be proper for me to forcefully attain your compliance, smarty pants. And if I had to throw your teeth out after you, I'd try to leave them where you would easily find them if you wanted to keep them.
It does not make me feel powerful when a jerk face like you comes acting like a punk whose head got too big learning atheistic bully tactics such as Dawkins the monkey's nephew uses. It humbles me to think a time might come when I would have no choice but to do whatever is necessary to get haters like you to back down.....and than again, it may get to the point where the only choice will be surrender so your leaders can crucify me.
Obviously it makes you feel powerful when you stomp into my discussions under the pretense of intellectual superiority which you feel gives you the right to be abusive in your speech....it comes out of what is in your heart and that is hatred against God and hatred against people like me who have the backbone to stand up to you and say God loves you and if you don't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from Hell, you never again will be able to believe God is good when you are unable to get out of Hell's fire. That's what this is all about; you are desperate to believe you have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell, and you hate being told that you do not have that right.
You are inserting yourself into my conversations in quite rude fashion, you are attacking me repeatedly trying to slander my character and insult my intelligence. Because you are the intruder, if this were face to face and you were in my house it would be honorable and proper for me to ask you to leave immediately, and honorable and proper...even necessary, to force compliance if you showed the slightest hesitation of desire to honor my request. If you want to be an atheist and only believe Hell is real by finding yourself unable to escape it's fire, that is your business. When you come sticking your rear in at me with stinky face insults, do you really expect me to be nice? Your just a pompous jerk who thinks some education makes you better than other people and you should butt out of my conversations since you seem incapable of respectful interaction.
If you feel spammed and you don't like it, you should not have come into my discussion with nothing but a disruptive insult. If you want to explain things I am missing in points of science, fine, but if you can't do it without insults I'm going to ban you and call you a pompous jerk. I can read science articles on the net without being bombarded by trained Dawkins parrots with insults. If you want to hate God like a moth into the flames of Hell following the pleasures of your sin as you stroke your ego telling yourself you are better than God, go ahead, but don't stomp your tail into my debates and discussions announcing your big mouth opinion of why you feel your insults and character smearing of me is justified..
you and greanche, what a pair you would make, why don't you guys team up?
When people insert their beliefs as data, I can tell the difference between the scientific evidence and the beliefs of the person who implies his beliefs are actually evidence. It is you who does not understand science, as you equate your beliefs with evidence.
When people insert their beliefs as data, I can tell the difference between the scientific evidence and the beliefs of the person who implies his beliefs are actually evidence. It is you who does not understand science, as you equate your beliefs with evidence. There is no excuse for the way you insulted my intelligence repeatedly and assault my character baselessly. If you had any morals which atheist hate to admit they have no objective reason for, you would apologize to me.......and because of your belligerent approach, there is no reason I should not call your bluff by attempting to provoke your animosity against Got to the point where you become enraged and physically attack...that is if you are healthy enough to be so stupid. I've dealt with haters like you plenty, most of them don't have the backbone to act the way they talk, only having the guts to attack in words with insults and slanders of character. They usually will go behind my back and whine to higher "authorities" to try to get me in some legal technicality because they feel uncomfortable when the truth is presented publically and they want to believe they have the right to exist as sinners outside of Hell. If saying you do not have that right makes you uncomfortable or agitated, that is your problem and not mine. If you don't want to hear it, don't read my posts. Until you back off with your insults and baseless character assassination attempts, I'll keep throwing the truth in your face and you can hate it until you are blue in the face if you want to, and then you will know Hell is real and you will beg for a sign that God is good.
You don't bother me by insulting me, you feel my material us unpleasant because you are in rebellion against God and really don't know what you are doing by using me as a scapegoat for your anger against God. It's the same for all of the idiots who attack me like you do......I really don't hold anything against you, your own words testify against you and I'm not the One you have to answer to.
You are consistently unpleasant toward me, so what do you expect to get from me? I'll just tell you that if you don't get saved, you will be lost forever in Hell and I tell you that because I know I am saved and I know you can be saved now and have eternal life now. I can't hold back from telling the truth just because you find me unpleasant.
The water that represents the body of Christ in Catholic Mass is called the Host. And the ritual of Communion is very different from cannabilism. For the Catholics, through a process they call transubstantiation, the host actually becomes Christ. As the wine becomes his blood.
Us Protestants don't belive in transubstantiation, but just think the wafer and wine are symbolic.
But for both the Prots and the RCC the Communion is only a way to commune with the holy spirit and the Christ. To have His Spirit in us. This is not even close to cannabilism. You should know this. Especially living in Ireland. Accusations of Christians being cannibals go way back to the persecuting Romans. I thought people knew better nowadays. Guess not.
God bless.
Dawkins was right. In a way. Without God and Christ in ouir lives there are no absolute morals. Atheism allows for a free for all in human actions and they can justify anything in the name of their science.
Well, the Catholics are goofy, insane, and dumb to believe the wafer magically becomes the flesh of Jesus Christ. And a lot of priest are alcoholics from sipping that wine too much, and then feeling happy they go finish the bottle after everybody goes home. The wine Jesus used in the last supper as a picture of His blood was not fermented wine. Fermentation in the Bible always represents sin. Fermentation us caused by leavening, a little leaven leavens the whole lump as sin pollutes your entire soul making you unclean. The blood of Christ was sinless, clean, and He would not have used grape juice corrupted by leavening to become alcoholic wine as representative of His sinless blood.
Dawkins is wrong. Cannibalism in any and all forms is always evil. The only time eating human flesh can be excused is in cases like the Donner party who died one by one of starvation when they tried to cross the Sierras in winter time on the path now known as Donner pass. Maybe you can ask a medium in your church to try to contact the Donner's for you so you can ask them about it....but that is an evil thing to do and I strongly advise against it, in fact, I strongly advise against participating in Unity Church in any way.
The way Catholicism teaches that the wafer actually becomes the flesh of Jesus Christ when they wave their magic wand over it, they actually are condoning a form of cannibalism. Catholicism is evil. The bread was symbolic of Christ's body, and the wine was symbolic of His blood. That is obvious as they took the bread from His hand and did not eat His fingers. The took the wine from His hand and did not suck his blood like vampires.
Why do people need explanations of the obvious? Did God make them stupid or are they responsible for being stupid?
The way Catholicism teaches that the wafer actually becomes the flesh of Jesus Christ when they wave their magic wand over it, they actually are condoning a form of cannibalism. Catholicism is evil. The bread was symbolic of Christ's body, and the wine was symbolic of His blood. That is obvious as they took the bread from His hand and did not eat His fingers. The took the wine from His hand and did not suck his blood like vampires.
Why do people need explanations of the obvious? Did God make them stupid or are they responsible for being stupid?
The way Catholicism teaches that the wafer actually becomes the flesh of Jesus Christ when they wave their magic wand over it, they actually are condoning a form of cannibalism. Catholicism is evil. The bread was symbolic of Christ's body, and the wine was symbolic of His blood. That is obvious as they took the bread from His hand and did not eat His fingers. The took the wine from His hand and did not suck his blood like vampires.
Why do people need explanations of the obvious? Did God make them stupid or are they responsible for being stupid?
You are much too good of a person for me, as I know I deserve to die and burn in Hell and you insist you are so much better than me, so you are too good to be here.
Booo Hooo to you, you feel like a troll is luring you in. If I'm a troll, then you are an idiot for letting me lure you in, aren't you? Personally, I think calling people "troll" is only a sign of your the caller's own intellectual weakness and emotional insecurity. It's very childish, the kind of stuff you expect from a twelve year old brat. I'm sure you find me to be unpleasant once again because I'm being truthful. How do you like me now?
If you can't learn to show some respect, you will always find me to be unpleasant no matter how reasonable I am. It's the same things between you and God, you find Him to be impersonal and uncaring because of your own attitude against Him when he is nothing but good and good to you and to all in this world all of the time......yet they provoke Him to anger and He lets them have the ungodly reality they want in Hell.
Booo Hooo to you, you feel like a troll is luring you in. If I'm a troll, then you are an idiot for letting me lure you in, aren't you? Personally, I think calling people "troll" is only a sign of your the caller's own intellectual weakness and emotional insecurity. It's very childish, the kind of stuff you expect from a twelve year old brat. I'm sure you find me to be unpleasant once again because I'm being truthful. How do you like me now?
The way Catholicism teaches that the wafer actually becomes the flesh of Jesus Christ when they wave their magic wand over it, they actually are condoning a form of cannibalism. Catholicism is evil. The bread was symbolic of Christ's body, and the wine was symbolic of His blood. That is obvious as they took the bread from His hand and did not eat His fingers. The took the wine from His hand and did not suck his blood like vampires.
Why do people need explanations of the obvious? Did God make them stupid or are they responsible for being stupid?
