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Day 3 - Statistics on the Practice of Banning
A simple study. At 10:35AM EST on 5/9/16 I
clicked on each of the front dashboard debates (15 total, 5 each under Popular,
Active, and New) and checked who owned the debate and whether there were bans.
Results will be in my first comment and then it's open for discussion in
terms of fair or abusive.
Analysis - 100% of banning activity in the leading 15 debates at this specific day and time has been by Saintnow. There were 13 different debate owners and the other 87% of debate owners issued no bans.
My personal opinion - This statistically proves the claim that bans are to thwart bad behavior are highly suspect because 87% of current debate owners have seen no current behavior warranting banning.
This type of survey takes only 10 minutes to observe and write-up (it's even a template for me now) so I will do this periodically (and fairly) to study whether or not the claims of needing to ban show any real justification.
Saintnow, when are you going to admit your practice of banning is simply because you want to do it, not because of rampant bad behavior by other site participants?
All you cry babies get banned for specific reasons. You don't like the message I bring so you find it extremely difficult to be respectful with me. A new discussion idea came to me last night, and when I set it up it will be open to all you whiners as long as you show respect for what I am saying in the discussion. You won't have to agree, but you will have to acknowledge the points I make and there will be a limit to how much you'll be allowed to push your own opinions without allowing me to steer the discussion. It's when people try to take over and bury me and my OP, not focusing on the topic, they get banned......and all this stupid whining and not being man enough to admit your own faults buys no sympathy with me. All you whiners come throw hundreds of insults at me and then complain that you are banned LYING and saying it's only because you have a differing opinion. You get banned because of your ridiculously childish manners.
This one thing you will have to accept, in Psalm 14:1 the Bible says you are a fool if you say there is no God. It's the truth, it's not an insult. Sadly, most fools take it as an insult and will not be corrected to stop being fools. When I see an atheist will not listen indicated by their bad manners and unending baseless insults and character slanders, I might as well just say they are fools and walk away......and if I can't get them to behave like ladies and gentlemen in my discussions, they get banned.
I can go to other websites, I was not barred from any, I simply got tired of the whiners like all of you who break every rule of the site and then try to get me crucified for saying we all deserve to die and burn in Hell forever as sinners. And calling you all a bunch of whiners is not an insult, it's the truth....just look at you all...Ohhh, boo hoo, Saint Now bans me and won't let me dominate his debates and discussion, wahhhhhh......comeon, you are being cry baby whiners and you need to learn to tare responsibility for the consequences of your own bad behavior and quit trying to take control of the site so your evil ways can be illegitimately carried on.
I ban because people who get banned are being disruptive or profane in their speech. It's a shame such poor manners are encouraged by people like you who come out of colleges which teach worthless atheism and evolution in place of practical education. All you have ever done with me is to insult me, in between your brief pretenses of being reasonable...so you are on my auto ban list including many others who refuse to show me respect to carry on a rational and mutually respectful conversation. And if you don't like being called a fool, quit being a fool believing in evolution and/or atheism
On three separate days of randomly surveyed times the only people offended enough in the leading debates to ban have been yourself and FromWithin. I suspect that in 30 days that will still be true. And a year from now still true. It is unfathomable that the general population of the site isn't being offended or disrupted by each other yet somehow just you two are.
Quit crying, plain and simple, and be sure to notice that I just banned one more for being disruptive and refusing to discuss my OP......
Stomping in there and throwing out your own stupid opinion without discussing what I created the debate for is just plain rude, and you have been nothing but a rude punk with me.
This will not end well for you, neither on this debate website nor in your afterlife. But until then go ahead and get comfortable, we have much to discuss.
All you cry babies get banned for specific reasons. You don't like the message I bring so you find it extremely difficult to be respectful with me. A new discussion idea came to me last night, and when I set it up it will be open to all you whiners as long as you show respect for what I am saying in the discussion. You won't have to agree, but you will have to acknowledge the points I make and there will be a limit to how much you'll be allowed to push your own opinions without allowing me to steer the discussion. It's when people try to take over and bury me and my OP, not focusing on the topic, they get banned......and all this stupid whining and not being man enough to admit your own faults buys no sympathy with me. All you whiners come throw hundreds of insults at me and then complain that you are banned LYING and saying it's only because you have a differing opinion. You get banned because of your ridiculously childish manners.
This one thing you will have to accept, in Psalm 14:1 the Bible says you are a fool if you say there is no God. It's the truth, it's not an insult. Sadly, most fools take it as an insult and will not be corrected to stop being fools. When I see an atheist will not listen indicated by their bad manners and unending baseless insults and character slanders, I might as well just say they are fools and walk away......and if I can't get them to behave like ladies and gentlemen in my discussions, they get banned.
I can go to other websites, I was not barred from any, I simply got tired of the whiners like all of you who break every rule of the site and then try to get me crucified for saying we all deserve to die and burn in Hell forever as sinners. And calling you all a bunch of whiners is not an insult, it's the truth....just look at you all...Ohhh, boo hoo, Saint Now bans me and won't let me dominate his debates and discussion, wahhhhhh......comeon, you are being cry baby whiners and you need to learn to tare responsibility for the consequences of your own bad behavior and quit trying to take control of the site so your evil ways can be illegitimately carried on.
You have failed to understand not only the purpose of this website, but the purpose of debate itself. If site members could be banned by petition, I would vote you off the island.
You have failed to understand not only the purpose of this website, but the purpose of debate itself. If site members could be banned by petition, I would vote you off the island.
All you cry babies get banned for specific reasons. You don't like the message I bring so you find it extremely difficult to be respectful with me. A new discussion idea came to me last night, and when I set it up it will be open to all you whiners as long as you show respect for what I am saying in the discussion. You won't have to agree, but you will have to acknowledge the points I make and there will be a limit to how much you'll be allowed to push your own opinions without allowing me to steer the discussion. It's when people try to take over and bury me and my OP, not focusing on the topic, they get banned......and all this stupid whining and not being man enough to admit your own faults buys no sympathy with me. All you whiners come throw hundreds of insults at me and then complain that you are banned LYING and saying it's only because you have a differing opinion. You get banned because of your ridiculously childish manners.
This one thing you will have to accept, in Psalm 14:1 the Bible says you are a fool if you say there is no God. It's the truth, it's not an insult. Sadly, most fools take it as an insult and will not be corrected to stop being fools. When I see an atheist will not listen indicated by their bad manners and unending baseless insults and character slanders, I might as well just say they are fools and walk away......and if I can't get them to behave like ladies and gentlemen in my discussions, they get banned.
I can go to other websites, I was not barred from any, I simply got tired of the whiners like all of you who break every rule of the site and then try to get me crucified for saying we all deserve to die and burn in Hell forever as sinners. And calling you all a bunch of whiners is not an insult, it's the truth....just look at you all...Ohhh, boo hoo, Saint Now bans me and won't let me dominate his debates and discussion, wahhhhhh......comeon, you are being cry baby whiners and you need to learn to tare responsibility for the consequences of your own bad behavior and quit trying to take control of the site so your evil ways can be illegitimately carried on.
I think you are missing a lot, I'm sure I've banned far more people than you are counting. If you will come to my debates, I will ban you too. Thanks, please make sure you are counting correctly.
You have failed to understand not only the purpose of this website, but the purpose of debate itself. If site members could be banned by petition, I would vote you off the island.
You are careless in understanding methodology. Each study is a snapshot of the top 5 debates at that particular moment and time. Drudging up data not part of that study set would be misleading. Instead I am completely objective and above board each time I take a snapshot to see what's going on.
All you cry babies get banned for specific reasons. You don't like the message I bring so you find it extremely difficult to be respectful with me. A new discussion idea came to me last night, and when I set it up it will be open to all you whiners as long as you show respect for what I am saying in the discussion. You won't have to agree, but you will have to acknowledge the points I make and there will be a limit to how much you'll be allowed to push your own opinions without allowing me to steer the discussion. It's when people try to take over and bury me and my OP, not focusing on the topic, they get banned......and all this stupid whining and not being man enough to admit your own faults buys no sympathy with me. All you whiners come throw hundreds of insults at me and then complain that you are banned LYING and saying it's only because you have a differing opinion. You get banned because of your ridiculously childish manners.
This one thing you will have to accept, in Psalm 14:1 the Bible says you are a fool if you say there is no God. It's the truth, it's not an insult. Sadly, most fools take it as an insult and will not be corrected to stop being fools. When I see an atheist will not listen indicated by their bad manners and unending baseless insults and character slanders, I might as well just say they are fools and walk away......and if I can't get them to behave like ladies and gentlemen in my discussions, they get banned.
I can go to other websites, I was not barred from any, I simply got tired of the whiners like all of you who break every rule of the site and then try to get me crucified for saying we all deserve to die and burn in Hell forever as sinners. And calling you all a bunch of whiners is not an insult, it's the truth....just look at you all...Ohhh, boo hoo, Saint Now bans me and won't let me dominate his debates and discussion, wahhhhhh......comeon, you are being cry baby whiners and you need to learn to tare responsibility for the consequences of your own bad behavior and quit trying to take control of the site so your evil ways can be illegitimately carried on.
I have followed his research. His evidence is 100% true. As for being "banned for specific reasons" you mean that when someone dares to disagree with you, you ban them if you can. It shows your inability to handle adult situations in which you have to deal with others you don't get along with. The use of "cry babies" shows you have the mind of and adolescent. You want respect? Here's how you get it, you respect others opinions, you refrain from name calling, you handle adult situations like an adult. Christianity is based upon the love God had for us that he sent his only son to die for our sins. Love is what Christianity is based on. Tell me how do you spread the word, but prevent people from asking questions because you banned them?
Your behavior directly impacts other people's perception of you. Another persons perception of your respectability is not entirely their choice. It's partly in your hands.
You can be a jerk all you want to and it's your own fault. You are responsible for you, your feelings, thoughts, and words and you can't be excused by trying to blame me....all you are doing is whining and trying to blame me for the miserable way you feel. Grow up.
Christianity is God's people in His kingdom, and you are not one of His people if you are not born of His Spirit. People like you who claim to be Christians but in reality are sinners trying to prove you do not deserve to burn in Hell forever are not my teachers, as you are fake and misapply the term "Christian" to yourself.
Whine whine whine..........quit whining. I doubt you will last more than one post with me without getting banned and you can whine till you are blue in the face and it's your own fault
If someone is ugly and you call them ugly, it is both the truth and an insult.
I am no more disrespectful than you. That is to say I attack your evil beliefs in the same way you attack everyone else's. Since you won't debate, I don't debate with you. I simply assert that I am right by virtue of the fact of my words. That's how you like to "debate" as well. When it gets me banned I celebrate it since it is invariably what I have just told you you would do. It represents a win for me.
I'm willing to bet most of the banned are not heart broken over it. It just shows your stupidity (not an insult if it's a fact right?)
I think you know what I mean when I say it, and I think you are a sinner who is dying and on your way to Hell, the eternal dying we all deserve, and there is only one Savior and only one way He can save you, and I think you don't care to be saved so you will go on loving your sin all the way to Hell thinking you are putting on a good show like a moth flying into the fire.
I am saved. And I didn't need someone insulting or intimidating me for that to be accomplished.
You don't believe me when I tell you your book is of the devil. Me repeating it won't change your mind but rather make you feel insulted. Your ranting has the same effect on others as my ranting would have on you.
And this is the issue right here. You put people in little boxes that you made up. If they agree with you, they must be saved. If you don't like them, God must not like them either.
Your conclusions about the status of other people's souls is just one more way in which you like to pretend you are God (sinful). I don't need you to believe me, it's not between you and I.
A carcass is not a little box I made up, it's what you are in, held there by God outside of Hell. As sinners who have broken God's law, as lawbreakers, we deserve to die as God is the living God and going against His law brings the death penalty. We all deserve to die as sinners and be left separated from God in Hell forever.
This is the issue. I state the truth plainly and bluntly and people want to kill me because of it, so they kill me as best they can with daggers in their words. So if I can, I ban them. They want to ban me, why not ban them?
The methodology you learned in college is bullying tactics use to shame, insult, and silence people who will not conform to your opinions. Those tactics do not work on me. I know the truth. The first time you ever responded before I ever banned you, and for the next several posts, you did nothing but insult me while bragging about what a great debater you are. You're a buffoon and I will objectively hold that position in discussion until you show real evidence of having adult manners. You will have a chance in my upcoming discussion TBA soon enough, but I am not going to grant you more than one chance. The first time you go off in insults or try to dominate me and ignore my comments you will be banned and you can cry about it until you are blue in the face if you want to. I told you many times how you can be saved from Hell, and you seem to not care, so just go whine until you are blue in the face or crucify me you hater.
Nope. I have never once bullied you. I tell you what I'm going to do and then I do it, which is direct and honest. And those things that I do are direct observations, counter arguments (which is what a debate website is all about), and critical analysis (which is also what a debate website is all about).
1) "You're a liar." Quote for me a specific lie from me in a specific debate. You won't find one. Everything I say and do in here is above board. Your opinion of disagreeing with me does not automatically make something I said a lie.
2) "punk" - I'm 48, have two college degrees, a wife and two kids, and debate you methodically, not through blind passion like you do. My series of "Statistics on the Practice of Banning" debates is the only time on this site someone has applied an objective criteria (to my knowledge). There is nothing further from punk than that. Punk would be launching a stinker debate and then using the ban feature to dodge blow back from it. That's you.
3) "Go take a bath, you stink too much." You have never once smelled me nor do you have any knowledge first or second hand of my hygiene.
Let me utterly disprove your pretense of not being an idiot. You act and talk like an idiot, therefore we have indisputable scientific evidence of your idiocy.
I will respond to any debate that I want to respond to unless I am banned, and then if it still matters to me I will start my own debate to address the same topic. Your banning does not thwart me at all. All your perceived power is useless on me.
You will be banned in all of mine until I decide to remove you from my auto-ban list because I'm tired of your punky ways and I'm tire of arguing with you as you lie and pretend to be innocent. The first time I see you post in any of my debates, I'm not going to read whatever you say and I'm going to ban you before I respond or explain the banning IF I decide to respond or explain the banning as I think I've explained repeatedly and wasted a lot of time responding to you since you are hiding behind a wall blocking out the Savior purposefully.
You're a punk, your education gives you a puffed up head so you think it makes you better than other people, and you hate my message and you hate me for not backing down at your big punky mouth and puffed up pompous education.
You've hated me from day 1, and nothing has changed, your trying to bully me now pretending to do it with good manners which you have never shown me any sign of actually possessing. You're just a punk.
Nope. I'm not arrogant in my debates with you, I'm simply not afraid to stand up to you. And I've defended your right to present your message, multiple times this week in fact, I just don't agree that a) you're a saint, or b) that you can act so terribly and not go to hell yourself, or c) that the rest of us are doomed to hell, or d) that banning is any more than you being a coward and avoiding debating.
And I don't hate you. What I observed on day 1 is you banned me, insulted me, and made assumptions about me, pretty much instantly, and that you were doing it to everyone else and saying it was all their fault, so I introduced myself, told you we would be having many discussions for many years, and that you would wish we had started off differently. By now you probably do, but you'll never admit that.
You have never stopped being arrogant with me, never stopped insulting me, never stopped being a punk. If you were in my house right now, you would be on your way out the door and I'm gonna ban you every time I see you in any of my discussions and you can whine until you turn blue in the face if it makes you feel better to whine, cry baby
I would never have a reason to be in your house. But if we were face to face and you assaulted me you would find out I am very capable and strong.
If we were in any objective contest of argument, a court of law, a debate circuit, a classroom, even at Toastmasters, I would best you, and not because I am arrogant, but because my arguments are better, fairer, more objective, and not presented in the form of temper tantrum.
Disagreement is not whining. Banning is not winning. Standing up to you is not crying. And declaring yourself a Saintnow is not the same as being a saint.
I'm in your house now, punk, calling you a cry baby. You have a vendetta against me because from day one when you came insulting me, bullying me, I threw it right back in your punky cry baby face. You come in my house and I'm going to throw you out as soon as I know you have stepped in the door.
We are not in the same house. All of this site considers you the cry baby, not me. And even an objective outsider reading this thread would recognize that you are the insulting bully.
Awwwwwwwwwwwww, poor baby Saintnow. Awwwwwwwwwwwww. It's okay maybe one day you will be able to understand the things that your little baby brain can't currently.
now now gents we need to all get along a little better here. differences of opinions and even downright arguments don't need to end with threats of physical violence. a debate site is always going to have heated debates. which is a good thing. it IS funny i have found how we can get worked up so much though. in real life I am now very calm and peaceful, I take my frustrations out on the heavy bag here at my gym. but before I was Saved I was prone to violence and it wasn't just empty threats on a internet debate site! like i was for a little bit worked up because some guy told me i was a duel account, like i was that hockey supershot guy or whatever his name is. and then that same guy insulted me, the hockey guy, on one of my ideas yesterday about God driving evolution. and i got so mad for a minute it was like the old days and i flashed on punching him in the face! weird. NOT christian. then I calmed down and realized it meant nothing. its all silly. like the Antrage guy who said I was a duel account, now I know he was just kidding, like I see other guys here all the time accusing people of being the same, like Saint and the Fromwith guy being the same.
so we should all maybe say a prayer for calm? and then count to ten and get back to good honest debate?