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Dear Christians: Jesus has already had his 'second coming'.

In case you were unaware I'm probably the least religious person ever (shock horror, I know), but I was doing some thinking and in the Christian Bible Jesus is supposed to have his second coming where he comes back to life to save all the goody-goody's, am I right? Well didn't Jesus already have his second coming then? Sure he didn't save anyone by coming back to life, but if I remember my mythologies correctly then after Jesus died the Christian God brought him back to life for a few days for whatever reason.

I could be wrong, I don't exactly like reading Christian Bible's too often (by memory I burnt the only copy I ever had in a bon-fire), so correct me if I'm wrong; but it was just a thought.

Yes

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There wasn't an option for "Christians don't read the Bible or else they'd know he isn't coming back" so I picked yes.

3) YET AGAIN, Jesus claims those standing RIGHT BEFORE HIM shall see the Armageddon. Matthew 16:28 “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Don’t let Christians lie to you and claim Jesus was referring to his modern day believers. The words “some standing HERE will not taste death” clearly refutes such nonsense. Obviously the people he was speaking to died, and curiously Jesus STILL isn’t here to claim his kingdom.

4) Jesus falsely prophesies that the end of the world will come within his listeners’ lifetimes.

Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Mark 13:30-31 NAB)

He also said to them, "Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come in power." (Mark 9:1 NAB)

5) Jesus falsely predicts that some of his listeners would live to see him return and establish the kingdom of God.

"Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:27 NAB)

Now what?

Side: yes
1 point

No. When he is preaching about the "Kingdom of God" coming before the end of the lifetime, he is not preaching about an end-world scenario. He is speaking about the Day of Pentecost. That shows up at a later date in the New Testament.

Side: No
1 point

No. When he is preaching about the "Kingdom of God" coming before the end of the lifetime, he is not preaching about an end-world scenario. He is speaking about the Day of Pentecost. That shows up at a later date in the New Testament.

Sweater man says you're wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrDonPreston#p/a/u/0/u7lGKIGFpNM

Side: yes
1 point

Sounds logical to me. But no Christian would agree with that. t

Though I'm laughing too hard about you burning your copy to think properly :') Sounds like I found something to burn in my new years bonfire I do every year. ;)

Side: yes
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

The bible might be composed of half baked mythology, falsehoods, exaggerated truths, fantasies, fairy tales, and outright lies, but it is still one of the greatest books ever written, very few scholars would deny this. Militant athiest scholars would, but thats only because the bible is anathema to them.

The bible still contains centuries of accumulated wisdon, therefore you shouldn't be so blasé in when asserting its worthlessness it is.

Side: No
Saurbaby(5581) Disputed
1 point

I was for sure joking -__-

I honestly couldn't burn a book in general to begin with, especially old books. -_-

Side: yes
3 points

Jesus hasn't came back yet. But the signs are coming true because in the Bible it says there will be birth pains meaning there will be earthquakes in various lands and also there would be nations rise against nations and everyone will be against Israel and there will be more natural disasters. Also if Jesus already came then all the Christians should have been raptured and into heaven already while all the nonbelivers,atheist,agnostics and people who didn't believe will be left behind for 7 years and that will be the Tribulation where the antichrist will come and do horrible things in that time like the mark of the beast if you accept it your doomed to hell if you accecpt the mark of the beast.

Side: No
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
6 points

But the signs are coming true

No they're not. You live in a small bubble with 0 perspective on the world. You have no idea what is going on now with respect to the past because you have a very low IQ plus you refuse to listen, think, read anything that doesn't support your own very narrow perspective. A person can tell people like you any crazy thing and if they say "Jesus" before and after you will believe them.

in the Bible it says there will be birth pains meaning

You nor the morons you listen to have any idea what the bible means. All you can do is pull wild guesses out of your ass--or more often take it to mean whatever happens to suit you in the moment.

earthquakes in various lands

There are no more or less earthquakes today than in the past. There's nothing special about right now as far as that is concerned.

nations rise against nations

._. Again, there have always been wars. If anything the decades since WWII have seen less of them. Minus the religious right's bloodthirsty nature and the random wars they start every time you get a little power in this country, the sane segment of our society has managed to keep your love affair with wars at bay more or less thankfully.

everyone will be against Israel

And who do you imagine is "against Israel" right now? Because every single world super power supports Israel, and no serious person with an ounce of power in this country has given any hint the US would stop supporting Israel. It is only in your cult meetings you begin circle-jerking over this imaginary concept that there are forces besides a couple insignificant third world countries "against Israel".

and there will be more natural disasters

Again though, there haven't been significantly more or less disasters in recent years... so wtf are you talking about?

Also if Jesus already came then all the Christians should have been raptured and into heaven already

If only it were so. I for one would be ecstatic if you all went away. The sad fact is there is no god to make your evil horrid cult disappear magically, only logic and knowledge can cure the Christian disease, and this over centuries not a night. That said, if everything in the Bible were true than very few Christians would be raptured. Most of you are not good people even by twisted Biblical terms.

while all the nonbelivers,atheist,agnostics and people who didn't believe will be left behind for 7 years and that will be the Tribulation where the antichrist will come and do horrible things in that time like the mark of the beast if you accept it your doomed to hell if you accecpt the mark of the beast.

Yeah, 'cause all of that sounds perfectly believable. It sounds nothing like the rantings of an insane person (yawn).

But just pretending this terrible Christian god were half as evil as you describe him, what about kids and babies and retarded people who can't think for themself? What about people in places that have never heard of your comically sadistic god? Do they get to go to hell too? I imagine so. Your god is not one too concerned with justice apparently.

Side: yes
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

Why are you constanlty attacking me? Every time when I post something about Christian stuff you attack my like flies on poop. It sounds like you don't like me and you hate me because of my belief. Like the last agrument you asked why am I here that tells me you don't like me when I am here. You start getting angry and start swearing while I stay calm it looks like sometime the truth hurts dude. I stay calm when I am talking to you but you accuse people go after them. Why don't you fix yourself before coming to me? Examine yourself first what you have done wrong first so you can see then come back to me and tell me what's wrong with me?

All you do is keep attacking. One of these days the truth will come to you and you will realize that all those stuff I said about Christian stuff and God is true. I am going to be on this site until I win the battle. I have God on my side and I will never give up on my beliefs and I wil fight hard until the debate is over. All you have is all your science fiction crap that doesn't even make sense and your own brain.

Side: No
Apollo(1608) Disputed
4 points

there will be birth pains meaning there will be earthquakes in various lands and also there would be nations rise against nations and everyone will be against Israel and there will be more natural disasters. Also if Jesus already came then all the Christians should have been raptured and into heaven already while all the nonbelivers,atheist,agnostics and people who didn't believe will be left behind for 7 years and that will be the Tribulation where the antichrist will come and do horrible things in that time like the mark of the beast if you accept it your doomed to hell if you accecpt the mark of the beast.

What an awful religion...

Side: yes
2 points

NOOOOO! Jesus Christ has NOT already had his Second Coming! The Bible itself talks about his resurrection and his Second Coming as SEPARATE THINGS!!! He will come again. My whole religion is centered around Him coming again, and I believe He will.

Side: No

The quote that refers to what modern day Christians call the "Second Coming", doesn't mention a numerical order to his coming back. It does however mention the circumstances.

So them calling it the "Second Calling" is false, but people believing that it already happened are also false.

Side: No
1 point

Why complicate things. It was the resurrection that happened ages back. And he is suppose to make his exclusive come back again which is saved for the end of the World. So basically... What I'm trying to say is that second coming isn't really the number wise second, it really refers to his return.

I may sound like I have zero idea of what I'm saying but all I want to say is that there is no point complicating things.

Side: No

Stop. Just Stop. You can't say that the bible is NOT evidence because....what if it is? "If" being the key word. Now im not saying that it is evidence. The bible may hold the complete truth, the complete fake, or a mix. And if you say that the bible isn't proof, prove it. You can't prove that it isn't evidence. And if you can't, then don't say it.

Yes, you can't write things on papers. The three headed elephants killed lots of people....for example. I can write that down and pay other people to write that down to give that story a higher probability of truth. What im sayiing is....Mark, John and the other two authors in the bible recorded their story about Jesus. What is surprising that they are similiar. (I think im right. They are not exactly the same but they hold similiarity). Because of this similiarity, it increases the probability that maybe Jesus is real. But then again, maybe those four people wrote down some fake news to arouse the public. But this alone doesn't mean you can call the bible NOT evidence. Why? Because all evidence, recorded or not, CAN be a lie.

Now here is my evidence that brings truth to the bible: Noah's ark on Mount Ararat in Turkey. Here is the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/27/noahs-ark-found-turkey-ararat/

Now this link could be either truth or false. Supposely the wood found on Mount Ararat could be a hoax, or some civilization. Tho, the theory of a civilization is ruled out. And carbon dating gives evidence that the peice of wood dates back to Noah's Ark. If this is true and God ONLY knows for himself, therefore the bible does hold some truth.

And the only 100 percent truth out there is perceptional truth. And if you seek truth from other people, you will get close to 99.9 percent of the truth. For example, i go to college. It is 100 percent truth for me because it is my perceptional truth. But is it 100 percent truth to you? No. It is 99.9 percent truth because i could be lying to you. Sigh. :)

Now my answer to the debate. I don't think that is what the "second coming" meant. Although he was brought back to life by God, he wasn't put back on earth. I think once he roams the earth again for a period of time, that is what i believe is his second coming.

Side: No
1 point

That does not count as the Second Coming. Good question though.

Side: No
1 point

umm i am not a christain but this is not what i saw in the bible huhhhhhh

Side: No
1 point

No Jesus didn't ome back to Earth then. After he died he went to Hell and defeated the devil and then stopped in Earth to show people that he truly did rise from the grave and from there went on to Heaven. Jesus' second coming is when he will come back down from Heaven.

Side: No
1 point

he said hell come again after his "second coming" .

Side: No
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Side: No