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Death Dishonour
Debate Score:10
Arguments:8
Total Votes:11
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 Death (3)
 
 Dishonour (5)

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Death Before Dishonour?

Which would you choose?

Dying/fighting for what you believe in

Or living/surviving for another day

Death

Side Score: 5
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Dishonour

Side Score: 5
2 points

Who's death?

If I am the only person dying for my decisions, there are honors I would die for.

I would not make that decision for anyone else.

Side: death
1 point

Death before dishonour.

Code of a soldier.

No place for cowardice.

:D

Side: death

You can always redeem yourself while still alive. And people can certainly dishonor you in death.

And if you do choose death, make sure you take a shit beforehand.

Side: Dishonour
arataii(95) Disputed
2 points

Even if you can redeem yourself to other people sometimes you can never redeem yourself to yourself. Even if you're still alive you can still feel dead inside because of what you've done and you can't forget.

Side: death
zproach(252) Disputed
1 point

Sometimes... but for the most part I'm willing to forgive myself or, at least push these regrets to the back of my mind where they can't bother me anymore.

Side: death
Mahollinder(900) Disputed
1 point

In one of his seminal works, “Mystery Train: Images of America in Rock 'n' Roll Music”, Greil Marcus dedicates a chapter to one of the fathers of Blues: Robert Johnson. In it he writes that “Johnson’s vision was of a world without salvation, redemption or rest; it was a vision he resisted, laughed at, to which he gave himself over, but most of all it was a vision he pursued (Marcus, “Mystery Train”, pg. 21).”

He later goes on to quote F. Scott Fitzgerald, who enlightens us to the very prospect of life: (it) is essentially a cheat and its conditions are those of defeat, and that the redeeming satisfactions are not ‘happiness and pleasure’, but the deeper satisfactions that come out of struggle (Marcus, “Mystery Train”, pg. 25).”

To be alive presents us with the opportunity to struggle for redemption. It’s ultimately not about whether we find it, but that we possibly can, and can move towards that end. Death necessarily divorces us from the opportunity to find that redemption. And it certainly does not provide us any recourse to stop others from further dishonoring us after death. Death before dishonor is just death. And there’s no honor in that.

Side: Dishonour
1 point

I like living. It's a pretty sweet gig if you ask me. Sure dishonor is not desirable but, I can live with it. Anybody can live with it. Life is real; it's what we biologically strive for. The idea of honor vs. dishonor is an artificial concept developed by man; just like money and fame. You need to achieve life before you can achieve these things and thus life should be held in a higher respect than honor.

Side: Dishonour
1 point

First we need to define honor. I would define it like so: playing by the rules in a competitive environment.

Ideally I would go with death before dishonor. But honor can only exist when all the competitors are willing to accept the rules. If one is willing to sacrifice his honor in order to win, he will have a big advantage.

So I think the best answer is to hold onto your honor, and encourage others to do the same, but be prepared to discard it the moment your opponent does.

Side: Dishonour