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Debate Score:	11
Arguments:	30
Total Votes:	18
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Factocracy (346)

Deism versus Fiora

Since Fate/Noumenon is incommensurably paradoxical and infinite, there cannot be one God to rule them all. There would be an infinite number of possible "God" figures competing for existence, thus the idea of a supreme sentient like Fiora is bollocks. Furthermore the aliens themselves should not be viewed as "gods" because that is more ass-kissing then recognizing what they actually are. God is an honorary title, not a description of what a being actually IS. Relative to a fly or a gnat, humans are similarly superior as a high-level alien would be to us, does that make us gods?

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Mingiwuwu (1446)

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4 years ago Side: Fiora

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Factocracy (346) Disputed

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You are wrong. Fiora is my love and supreme mistress of reality.

This doesn't sound like a logical argument, it sounds like you having an emotional attachment to this character and some kind of psychological need for her to be real. Why don't you tell me WHY instead of just "You are wrong because I love Fiora and she is my sexual dominatrix of the universe"

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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4 years ago Side: Deism

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Nom_Chomsky (846) Clarified

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Unlike the aliens who pick and choose

Typically, you are unable to hide your bitterness that the aliens rejected your application to be their divine messenger.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Factocracy (346) Disputed

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Sounds like a weird sexual thing for you rather than a coherent statement about the nature of reality. Try refuting the reasons I gave in the description.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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4 years ago Side: Deism

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Factocracy (346) Clarified

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If you need something to be real, then it is real in your reality. You don't understand this yet.

If you are lost in the desert does a glass of water appear just because you need one? I don't understand what gives you this idea.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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4 years ago Side: Deism

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Factocracy (346) Clarified

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I actually agree with everything you just said, but it doesn't explain it still. How do you "need" Fiora to be real? Why aren't you disputing the actual reasons I gave for her not being real?

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Disputed

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4 years ago Side: Deism

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Factocracy (346) Disputed

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It's precisely because of what is "potentially true" that I don't believe in any singular version of a deity.

4 years ago Side: Fiora

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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4 years ago Side: Deism

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Factocracy (346) Clarified

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Err umm uhh like no. I don't "worship" because like I said god is a title not a description. Think about this, for Fiora to exist there must be order out of chaos, there must be a naturally arising design and order to her existence that makes her what she is (even if there are multiple Fioras). So either way the deistic algorithm was there before this being because that is what created her in the first place, otherwise she would just be a jumble of bumbling stumbling wuwu wumbles (that totally made sense).

It's kind of hard to explain, but for Fiora to exist there must already be some kind of mechanism in place beyond just the infinite clusterfuck of insanity that is at the core of reality.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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Factocracy (346) Clarified

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Naturally out of random occurences will come to be an entity granted with (admittedly predetermined/inevitable) 'random decisions' that have power over even the randomiser itself at times.

There are an infinite number of possible "Fiora states" which simultaneously exist and don't exist. Maybe Fiora DOES exist but the RNG/God is that which finds the coherent strings and separates them from the chaos. This in fact is not even a "thing" never mind a being because it's basically just a process of elimination which allows certain things to be "real" or at least perceivable as separate from the clusterfuck-manifold. If this was not the case Fiora couldn't even exist.

Also the RNG by the way is fate, not Fiora. Fate produces the random numbers and Fiora would be the thing that articulates them into code.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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4 years ago Side: Deism

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Factocracy (346) Clarified

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Do you understand that without the Deistic thing I'm talking about it would be just as likely for their to be a version of Fiora that is obsessed with noodles and only creates realities made of ramen? That is how impossible it is for any sense to exist at all without the primordial algorithm.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Mingiwuwu (1446) Clarified

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Factocracy (346) Clarified

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It is just as likely, you are not wrong. At Fiora's level there is only possible and impossible, probability is an illusion there.

Yep, that is exactly why Fiora would need an algorithm to exist and not the other way around. For anything other than Fate to exist something would have to separate the possible from the impossible.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Since Fate/Noumenon is incommensurably paradoxical and infinite, there cannot be one God to rule them all. There would be an infinite number of possible "God" figures competing for existence, thus the idea of a supreme sentient like Fiora is bollocks

No two things are ever exactly the same, so even in an infinite set, there is always one that is the greatest of all.

4 years ago Side: Fiora

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Factocracy (346) Disputed

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No two things are ever exactly the same, so even in an infinite set, there is always one that is the greatest of all.

In an infinite set, there is an infinite number of Gods greater than the God that is better than another set of infinite Gods.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Nom_Chomsky (846) Disputed

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No two things are ever exactly the same

So balanced algebraic equations don't exist? That's nice Bronto, you astonishing retard. Force is always exactly the same as mass multiplied by acceleration and about a million other examples I can't even be bothered to write down out of sheer boredom with your stupid comments.

4 years ago Side: Deism

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Nom_Chomsky (846) Disputed

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