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Democrat debate, a contest to see who could buy the most votes with our money!
If you could sit through hours of these extremist Democrats (Socialists) explaining how they would outgive the others on the podium, then you need to re resgister as a Socialist. I went back and forth with the remote to see if they would ever address some serious issues such as our HUGE debt and chaos in Foreign policy, but all I ever heard was how much of our money these extremists were going to give to people who would vote for them. Now they are even FINALLY admitting how they want to give free healthcare, free college to illegal immigrants. CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY and other Left wing parties? I heard no questions of how they planned on paying for all these free give aways.
We now have our leaders chosen by a majority of people who pay no federal taxes, and soon people who are not even residents of this nation! When Socialists and people who mostly pay no taxes elect our leaders, the America we knew is no more. We are going bankrupt and have a Democrat Party who could care less and will spend us down the drain to get elected!
All the young ignorant voters love hearing how they can get free College, free healthcare, free free free everything because they don't yet pay the huge taxes it would take to pay for all this free stuff. Democrats spend all their time pandering to the low end voters at the expense of this once great nation. It is total irresponsibility!
I heard no questions of how they planned on paying for all these free give aways.
Bernie Sanders expressed this at length, and has laid out a pretty clear plan. If you do some research, you can read up on the details. To summarize, his main disgust in this country is with the wealth inequality, i.e. 1% of the country owning a ridiculously high percentage of the wealth. His plan involves using money gained from taxing those with an unproportionate amount of wealth to help pay for the services he has suggested.
Gee, that's a new one.... NOT! Where have I heard "tax the rich" by Democrats before? Only every single election of my life, that's all.
What happened these past two terms of the most Liberal president in our lifetime. Why did he not raise taxes on the Rich and stop this income gap when they had control of the Senate, the House and the Whitehouse. The income gap got worse under Obama! Why did they not overhaul out tax code and get rid of the loopholes they always talk about? The GOP has tried to overhaul our tax codes with no support from Democrats. Did you hear one word of overhauling our tax code during the debate?
Why did our national debt double?
I read where Sanders proposed about 13 trillion in spending. There are not enough taxes in the world to cover his spending. Gee i wonder where the Rich and our businesses will go when he starts raising their taxes even more. Democrats will not be happy until all of our busnesses go overseas.
The Rich already pay the vast amount of our taxes. Lets drive out the job creators and our tax revenues.... yeh, that's the Liberal way.
As usual, not one word of cutting entitlements, or social programs, or reducing medicaid costs, etc. etc. Nah, Obama wanted to add birth control, abortion, mental, vision, etc. to obamacare and force everyone to buy it. Instead of cutting costs, he sent the costs spiralling for our healthcare premiums, medicaid costs,etc.
Democrats even want to give illegal immigrants free healthcare, free college, LOLOLOLOLOLOL. People will be flocking to this nation illegally to get in on the freebies. UNBELIEVABLE and it is unbelievble there are so many people who support these extremists, especially on this site!
Fortunately, Obama is not running. And neither Bernie Sanders nor Hillary Clinton are him.
However, there is so much opposition against taxing the rich from the Republican Party that it has traditionally been hard to make any increases on taxes, even for that 2% that has as much money as the 98% beneath them combined.
But instead of talking about the past and bias against parties, can we talk about what you believe? Do you think that taxing the 1% to fund worthwhile programs would be good or bad? It is unfortunate that politics has degraded into name calling of the opposite parties, so do you think we can talk about the issues?
In regards to the '18 trillion dollar' plan Bernie Sanders supposedly had, the news source simply misread the data and were quickly fact checked. One such example of the fact checking is here, but if you don't trust my source, feel free to do your own fact checking. Hopefully, you can find your own way to get knowledge and accurate understanding so you know who is running.
Democrats even want to give illegal immigrants free healthcare, free college, LOLOLOLOLOLOL. People will be flocking to this nation illegally to get in on the freebies. UNBELIEVABLE and it is unbelievble there are so many people who support these extremists, especially on this site!
Some do. Not all. I certainly don't think we should give illegal immigrants freebies, but it's more complicated than a 'they get nothing' situation.
Oh, so lets forget about the past decade after decade of Democrats telling ignorant people how they will raise taxes on the Rich and cut the income gap, blah blah blah and then when they get in office with control of ALL the Congress and whitehpuse, what have they done? THEY ARE LIARS and people like you swallow it. Yeh lets forget about the past and believe them this time LOL.
You say when it comes to illegal immigrants, only SOME of the Democrats want to give them free Obamacare and free college.... not you right? Nah, people like you only vote for the ones who DO want to give free stuff to illegal immigrants for their votes down the road. The some of the Democrats you speak of who want to give our money to illegals are the Democrat congressmen and Presidents, that's all!
Do you hear yourself? Your party has gone over to the other side! They are tried and true socialists trying to be like Bernie Sanders. Oh that's right, you do not support some of what they are doing. So tell me which party do you plan on voting for?
To answer your question, no I absolutly do not support taxing anyone to pay for more free givaways! If they had said they plan on taxing the Rich, and all of the money going to pay down our massive 19 trillion debt (notice how the debt numbers keep gong up, I started on this site when the debt numbers were in the 16 trillion dollars a couple years ago) I might have at least understood that logic somewhat but NO, it is always to pay for MORE SPENDING and it's always to pander for votes regardless our huge debt. The rich are in a 39% tax bracket which is too much to begin with. It's the loop holes that need to be addressed and the GOP is the only party talking about it.
Oh, so lets forget about the past decade after decade of Democrats telling ignorant people how they will raise taxes on the Rich and cut the income gap, blah blah blah and then when they get in office with control of ALL the Congress and whitehpuse, what have they done? THEY ARE LIARS and people like you swallow it. Yeh lets forget about the past and believe them this time LOL.
You are mad at the Democrats for not raising taxes on the rich. You don't make any sense.
Do you hear yourself? Your party has gone over to the other side! They are tried and true socialists trying to be like Bernie Sanders. Oh that's right, you do not support some of what they are doing. So tell me which party do you plan on voting for?
Tried and true Socialists would tax the rich.
To answer your question, no I absolutly do not support taxing anyone to pay for more free givaways!
Yet you complain when it doesn't happen.
It's the loop holes that need to be addressed and the GOP is the only party talking about it.
And, do they cut those loop holes when they get in power? No.
If you could ever actually grasp a point, it would be great! I am showing the hypocrisy and double standards of Democrats. These phonies get on the media spewing their anti rich rhetoric but when they have the power to do something about it, THEY DO NOTHING!
They are phonies and are just as tied to big money rich people as the GOP.
I am for cutting spending, not taxing the people more and more and more and never stopping the spending. The more we give them the more they spend, just as you are now seeing with free college, free obamacare to illegal immigrants, etc. etc.
Democratic Socialism, the belief system Bernie Sanders prescribes to, is a combination of a democratic political system (maintaining the general system we have now) and a socialist economic system. Ultimately, this involves exactly what we're talking about: wealth redistribution, strengthening the middle class, making sure that those at the top of the income do not possess an in proportionate amount of the income, etc. etc.. You can do your own research if you are still confused.
Apparently they were interested in the issues rather than arguing against each other. Issues like 32 million non-seniors still without healthcare insurance even under Obamacare. Or nearly $19,000,000,000.00 in debt with NO plan to deal with it. Or a floundering economy propped up by years of freshly printed money, now unable to raise interest rates without destroying the IRA's of tens of millions of Americans.
Oh wait ----- No lets talk about free stuff fir everyone. What could go wrong?
Yes, what could go wrong when you pander to these sponges with their hands out. The problem is that Democrats understand very well how for decades have conditioned the electorate, telling them they are entitled to tax payer's money. Democrats understand enough people are now indoctrinated to vote for the politician who will give them the most free stuff.
The Democrat party has no caring for our nation's well being and will do ANYTHING it takes to get elected no matter the harm to this nation. The GOP is not perfect but they at least still care for our nation's well being and our Constitution.
You say socialists as if that is an insult? Bernie Sanders said himself last night; look at the Scandinavian countries, look at the most well functioning countries in the world. In which countries do you see the lowest poverty rate, the lowest class distinction? It is in those countries who have used socialism to base their entire society. Bernie Sanders also said, that he was gonna demand more taxes, and that is of course how he intends to pay for health care and education.
Giving free education is an investment to the future - if you give more people an opportunity to educate themselves, you get more educated people, and thus make your country better.
You call it irresponsible, but it's not like it's different anywhere else. Look at any other country, who votes for the left wing parties? The working and poor class, the physically challenged, and the uneducated. Maybe if you gave them all a chance to educate themselves, things would be different. We realized this a long time ago in Denmark, maybe America will wake up and realize that capitalism is killing your own country.
So tell me, what does Scandinavia do to help stop ISIS? Do they even care about anything in this world but themselves? Many of these Socialist nations are in financial trouble no matter they do little to stop evil from spreading around the world. Can you imagine if they had to spend money on a real mlitary?
Our military politics has nothing to do with socialism, those are completely separate debates. If you wanna ask whether or not America or Denmark has a better military force, I'll give you the answer right away - America. However nobody claimed that Denmark has a better military force than America, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I am saying your tax system, your general carelessness for the class inequality is reckless. If you wanna debate on that, I am happy to, although you have a talent for mixing things up, which says a lot about your debating skills, I must say.
Can you imagine if they had to spend money on a real mlitary?
As I said earlier; Denmark has an excellent military force considering its small population, we are currently fighting in Afghanistan.
You are just like the phony Democrats who don't want to talk about abortion because it shows their lack of humanity and lack of compassion for our most innocent lives. It shows their hypocrisy when spewing rhetoric about how Conservatives do not care for our helpless.
You don't want to talk about our expensive military becuse it destroys your mindless rabble of how sociaism works. If Socialist nations had to stop evil around the world, you would never be ble to afford free handouts to lazy deadbeats.
You should get down on your hands and knees and thank America for keeping your nation out of the hands of dictators and communists because without our military you would no longer be free to practice your socialism.
You are just like the phony Democrats who don't want to talk about abortion because it shows their lack of humanity and lack of compassion for our most innocent lives
Oh no, if you have taken a look at some of the debates I've had on this very site, you'd seen plenty of them have been concerning abortion. I find it odd though, how people like you do so much to protect the lives in the wombs, but do so little to protect them after they are born. I could argue well, that you are the one who lacks humanity, since you so proudly said before that you'd happily sacrifice 20,000 lives a year for your right to bear firearms.
You don't want to talk about our expensive military becuse it destroys your mindless rabble of how sociaism works.
Oh yes I'd happily talk about military, however I don't think it has anything to do with this very debate. You are using a debate tactic that reveals your lack of debating skills - that very tactic is taking different debates and mixing them up, because you've simply run out of arguments in this one we're having. If you wanna talk military, let's do that in another debate, because military and socialism have little to do with each other.
You should get down on your hands and knees and thank America for keeping your nation out of the hands of dictators and communists because without our military you would no longer be free to practice your socialism.
Uh... you might have been saving other countries from dictatorships, but not Denmark or any other scandinavian country, or western european country as a matter of fact. Maybe you have done so in the developing countries, I'm not sure. But democracy in Denmark goes way back, and we were even one of the first to allow women to vote - Iceland and the Faroe Islands let women vote in 1906, and America didn't get women's rights before 1920, so you could argue that we were the very first to gain actual democracy.
I would thank America for saving our nations in world war two, but America saved us from hitler and war - not dictatorship, because Scandinavians have been run by monarchy up until late 1800's, and that was a revolution that ended the danish absolute monarchy, not any american military force.
You are as big a liar as every other Liberal I debate. You twist the words to demonize Conservatives. I NEVER SAID I WOULD HAPPILY SACRIFICE 20,000 LIVES A YEAR for our freedoms to have guns. This is what I ACTUALLY said..... "We cherish our gun rights to protect our families and will live with a few more deaths to protect those freedoms."
You could ban every gun in our nation and we would still have thousands of deaths because criminals do not follow laws and they will be the only ones with guns. There would be a huge black markets just as there was with prohibition.
It is hypocrites like you who cherish your freedoms to drink, to go to bars and drink, to go to nightclubs, to drive cars, etc. and glady SACRIFICE 80,000 lives a year. You total hypocrite!
People like me who understand what freedoms means want as small a Government as possible because Government is inherently corrupt.
You could ban every gun in our nation and we would still have thousands of deaths because criminals do not follow laws and they will be the only ones with guns.
You don't have control over your criminals, how is it that other countries manage to control their criminals, yet you just don't even wanna try?
It is hypocrites like you who cherish your freedoms to drink, to go to bars and drink, to go to nightclubs, to drive cars, etc. and glady SACRIFICE 80,000 lives a year. You total hypocrite!
Did you not read my example on how the Faroe Islands prevents these deaths?
If you chose to ignore it the first time, here it is copy pasted:
The problem with alocohol is, that we tried banning in in the 20's, however it didn't work at all, because it became a similar problem to what we see with drugs today. People became more addictive, and dealers we're making tons of unregistered money. It wasn't good - so for example if you take the Faroe Islands.
The Faroe Islands do not sell alcohol in stores, you can only buy alcohol in liquor stores or bars that have gotten a law binding contract giving the permission to sell alcoholic drinks. You don't see beers, wine or anything like that in regular food stores. Also there is a limit as to how long a bar, for instance, can sell drinks. For example, no bar on the Faroe Islands is permitted to sell alcoholic drinks after 4am during weekends, and 11pm during weekdays.
And what is the result of that? Fewer alcoholics and fewer accidents caused by alcohol. I think this is a really great system, since it works. We are not talking about making alcohol illegal, we are talking about alcohol control ;) see? We are not talking about making guns illegal, we are talking about allowing ourselves to control whom we sell it to, and how much.
LOL, does anyone cae what some obscure Island does? We are talking about your little socialist nation. Is your little socialist nation ready to shut down your bars and nightclubs to save lives? Or are your people willing to sacrifice lives and not ban booze.
Uhm... I really don't know how to respond to this.
See the thing is, you said I was stupid for being pro gun control, yet I support the deaths of cars and alcohol. Therefore I presented the example of Faroe Islands, and how they deal with the fatal deaths of alcohol. Whether or not you care about other people than yourself is not really my point, my point was to show you, that I think there are solutions for that problem too.
You are the one tellng us all how caring and great your socialist nation is because you ban guns to save lives but you STILL sacrifice thousands of lives with alcohol and auto deaths. Why is your nation not doing what the Faroe islands are doing if you don't want to sacrifice people's lives for your alcohol and auto freedoms. Like I said, you are a hypocrite to worry about guns, but not the vices of alcohol and cars that kill far more people.
Quit bringng up tiny islands and stick to your collective.
Can you be so naive? How do you think we became a superpower keeping this world safe from Communism or dictatorships spreading the globe? Do you think it happened from a Socialist system? NO,IT HAPPENED FROM CAPITALISM, where hard work and effort is derived from the desire of becoming wealthy and having a better life. Socialism does not spur people to work hard nor to get ahead because if they do all the work, take all the risks, their wealth is just taken by Government to fund the collective no matter how lazy they are.
Why do you think these Socialist nations would even exist were it not for the might of America protecting them from the Russia's, China's, and Hitlers of the world.
Most of these Socialist nations spend very little on their military thanks to America's strength protecting them and is why their economies have the funds to pay for the free ride. Still they have very small economies. America's econmy has prospered the world and we are seeing third world nations growing because of it.
Superpower? You are not a superpower, you WERE a superpower, big difference.
where hard work and effort is derived from the desire of becoming wealthy and having a better life
There are over 600,000 homeless people in the United States, half of the population of your country is lower-class or poor. That is 150 million people. On top of that, because of your outrageous and straight out - crazy gun law, there are 20,000 murdered by gun every single year. The top 2% richest people in the states own as much as the 98% combined.
If you think the united states has provided a better life through hard work and effort, YOU are the one who is naive. The American Dream is dead, there is no free America, America is controlled by billionaires making sure nobody else gets a chance at screwing things up - like the vast majority of the country, which is the poor lower class.
Socialism does not spur people to work hard nor to get ahead because if they do all the work, take all the risks, their wealth is just taken by Government to fund the collective no matter how lazy they are.
I'd encourage you to look further to the Scandinavian countries. What is one of the richest countries in the world, population taken into consideration? Yes you guessed it - Norway. Other major Scandinavian companies are Maersk, Ikea, and don't forget the danish windmill organistaion, that ensures danes 60% green electricity.
Faroe Islands fish farm company, Bakkafrost, has become the 4th largest of its kind all around the world, and Faroe Islands is a nation of less than 50,000 people. Again, take a look at the countries run by socialism, we are not at all lazy, nor have we lost the will to work hard.
Why do you think these Socialist nations would even exist were it not for the might of America protecting them from the Russia's, China's, and Hitlers of the world.
That is a whole different debate, because America becoming a socialist country would not change that, and the socialist countries becoming capitalists wouldn't either, so that makes no sense at all.
Most of these Socialist nations spend very little on their military thanks to America's strength protecting
I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Denmark has an excellent military force fighting in Afghanistan. Yes, you have one of the biggest military forces but that doesn't free you from the duty of taking care of the weakest in your society.
America's econmy has prospered the world and we are seeing third world nations growing because of it.
That is a straight up lie, we are not seeing third world country grow, we are seeing Chine grow, and all other nations, including America and Europe are failing.
Millions of immigrants flock to your country each year for nearly a century from all around the world, in search of a opportunity for a better life. What is your country?
Only a fool fixates on Guns when Cars and alcohol kill far more people than murders by guns! Are you for banning cars to stop the deaths? Are you for banning alcohol to prevent thousands of deaths each year? Nah, Liberals hate the gun because they want big government control, telling the people how to live their lives. You sound like the same idiot Liberals in this nation. Take the guns so Government can control the masses. You are the good little sheep that Governments love.
Sorry, America was born from a people's love for freedom. Freedom from big Government tyranny. We are by far the greatest nation this planet has ever created because of the people, not big Government. We cherish our gun rights to protect our families and will live with a few more deaths to protect those freedoms.
I would agree with you that we are quickly becoming a thrid rate Sociaist nation just as the ones you describe. After seven years of a Socialist pacifist Obama, our nation is going bankrupt and the world is becoming a very dangerous place. The gap between rich and poor has gone way up along with our welfare roles. Socialism in this nation is a complete failure! Maybe those in your nation have always lived with Government control and don't understand what freedom is all about. Most of those people who you claim are so poor, are there by their own choosing. Living irresponsble lives brings poverty. Having unprotected sex with loser men who abandon their children causes poverty and swells our welfare roles. NOT CAPITALISM!
Funny i never here about Scandenavia in the news helping to stop the spread of terrorism.
Only a fool fixates on Guns when Cars and alcohol kill far more people than murders by guns!
Oh my goodness, the irony here. That is the best argument, by far, supporting the american right to bear firearms. Cars and alcohol kill more people, so therefore we can keep our guns. Cancer kills far more people than other diseases like food poisoning - does that mean we shouldn't cure food poisoning?
We cherish our gun rights to protect our families and will live with a few more deaths to protect those freedoms.
I want to correct that sentence; you cherish your gun rights to the point where you risk your families safety, because you have absolutely no idea in which hands all the guns you're handing out are going. You will also live with, not just sacrificing a few, sacrificing 20,000 human lives each and every year - that number is rising by the way. You can do a little research, every other country around you has some sort of gun control - you can still bear firearms, for example if you hunt. But there you need to be registered and there will be done back round checks on you. For instance we wouldn't give a mentally ill person a gun, does that seem so crazy to you? If you do further research to see how many deaths we lose to gun violence a year, they can't be compared with the states. Your murderrate (by gun) is outrageous, and it disgusts me that you actually think those lives are sacrificed to save anyone.
After seven years of a Socialist pacifist Obama, our nation is going bankrupt and the world is becoming a very dangerous place.
Not that you gave us any reason to think you know anything about politics before, but this really proves our theory. Look around you - every country's economy is shit right now. Greece is done, Italy is facing crazy financial challenges, same with France and basically every other country except China. You can blame everything on Obama all you want, however it doesn't change the fact that bad times are facing everyone, they come and they go, that's how it is, that's how it has always been.
Most of those people who you claim are so poor, are there by their own choosing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA
Having unprotected sex with loser men who abandon their children causes poverty and swells our welfare roles. NOT CAPITALISM!
Oh lord Jesus save this man from stupidity.
Funny i never here about Scandenavia in the news helping to stop the spread of terrorism.
You are such a joke. Do you even have a clue that for all the back ground checks, all the being registered, all your rhetoric about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill would have stopped none of our mass shootings in schools, in movie theaters, etc.
In the last shooting in Oregon, he had mental issues but was never hospitized or put in an institution. He would have passed every back ground check. The garbage spewed by gun control fanatics like yourself would do nothing about most of our mass shootings.
In our cities with the most strick gun laws, they have the most gun murders.
Don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric.
Do you have some semblance of thought? Let me repeat.... Alcohol and cars kill far more people than guns so WHY ON EARTH do we hear nothing about these weapons of mass killings? Where is the outrage when a person can go to a bar, get drunk and drive and kill others? Where are the bans on Bars or night clubs if you SO CARE ABOUT LIVES? You would save far more lives by banning bars, and cars and alcohol then you would by banning guns. Why not force people to ride bikes to work if they ive within a certain distance if you so care about lives!
You are a mindless phony who wants his alcohol, his cars, and wants no one banning his freedoms to use both. But phonies like you have no need for guns so you are fine with banning someone else's enjoyments of target shooting or protection for his family.
Please spare me the lies of how the Left only wants assault rifles, or registrations, etc. Just as in England, they will one step at a time take our guns. Once we are all registered, they can come and collet the guns whenever the Government has become so controlling and the Left has scared everyone to fear guns.
Get out of our lives and stick to your own nation's laws. Start giving the nation that keeps your nation free, SOME RESPECT!
In the last shooting in Oregon, he had mental issues but was never hospitized or put in an institution. He would have passed every back ground check.
That might be true, however I could list numerous school shootings performed by CHILDREN!!!!! How crazy is that? And this isn't even a rare thing that you rarely hear of in America, this happens quite a lot. As oppose to Europe, where the last school shooting I heard of was around five years ago in France, and before that I haven't heard of a school shooting happening any where in the western countries except America, of course. Denmark has never had a school shooting, Norway has never had a school shooting, and when I google school shootings in Sweden I'm taken back to some old news paper from 1960's.
It amazes me, that you find this kind of behavior normal, when you guys are the only one's of the developed countries to have this much violence, and have this violence exposed to your young children. On the other hand, it really is the answer to my wonders of how you came to have such extreme and barbaric opinions on how a society should be.
In our cities with the most strick gun laws, they have the most gun murders.
That is manipulation, not a good argument, because in order to change a country you need to change the entire country - even though cities have strict gun laws, it doesn't prevent them to go to other cities and buy their firearms. The idea with gun control is PREVENTING people from buying dangerous and killer firearms - one city in an entire ''free'' country making gun protection is straight up pointless.
Alcohol and cars kill far more people than guns so WHY ON EARTH do we hear nothing about these weapons of mass killings?
Don't you? I see adds every day, posters ''don't drink and drive'' and all that kinda stuff. The problem with alocohol is, that we tried banning in in the 20's, however it didn't work at all, because it became a similar problem to what we see with drugs today. People became more addictive, and dealers we're making tons of unregistered money. It wasn't good - so for example if you take the Faroe Islands.
The Faroe Islands do not sell alcohol in stores, you can only buy alcohol in liquor stores or bars that have gotten a law binding contract giving the permission to sell alcoholic drinks. You don't see beers, wine or anything like that in regular food stores. Also there is a limit as to how long a bar, for instance, can sell drinks. For example, no bar on the Faroe Islands is permitted to sell alcoholic drinks after 4am during weekends, and 11pm during weekdays.
And what is the result of that? Fewer alcoholics and fewer accidents caused by alcohol. I think this is a really great system, since it works. We are not talking about making alcohol illegal, we are talking about alcohol control ;) see? We are not talking about making guns illegal, we are talking about allowing ourselves to control whom we sell it to, and how much. You took the oregon shooting as an example - yes you could argue that he would've passed any mental test - however if you allowed gun control, the store owner would have the legal right to not sell him the amount of weapons and bullets that he did. The store owner did not see any reason to question the suspicious amount he was purchasing. with gun control, we could set a limit, because no one needs limitless guns and bullets.
As to cars, that is a different thing, a car is a practical thing that we all use. Oppose to guns.. which cause only harm and aren't practical at all. If you do what Faroe Islands has done with alcohol, you would also see a decrease in car accidents.
You are a mindless phony who wants his alcohol, his cars
I don't drink alcohol, due to a genetic liver disease that I was born with, and when you live in center Copenhagen, like I do, there is no need for a car, because we have an excellent subway, and also you don't have to walk pretty far to get anywhere - therefore I don't have a car either. So... yeah you're making a lot of assumptions, like thinking that I'm for abortion, which I have given no reason for you to think. Quite tasteless, if I must say.
protection for his family.
There are numerous facts to claim that you are in fact risking your family, rather than protecting. A gun owner is more likely to have an accident in his own home, than protect from a burglar, or whatever.
Once we are all registered, they can come and collet the guns
Uhm... yeah the slippery slope argument is really effective, I see. I guess people are tired of hearing me say Denmark, however I don't have much else to compare with, but I have friends in the smaller villages here, who are hunters, who own rifles and all they need is to take a course on how to handle a weapon, and then they get like a paper to prove that they've taken this course and can buy rifles. Yeah they need to be registered, however never have I heard of ''the government'' coming to take them, what a ridiculous thing to think.
Start giving the nation that keeps your nation free, SOME RESPECT!
The fact that you have given some nations freedom does not give you the right to do whatever you guys want without anyone criticizing it. You guys are receiving respect for the good your military force does - however you will never, even receive respect for your low value of life. Btw, yeah you helped everyone out in world war two, but you weren't the reason they won. The reason they because the british math genius Alan Turing broke enigma, haha ;)
Do you have a clue how stupid it is to blame mass shootings on the gun? You try to compare other nations who have fewer mass shootings to America and BLAME THE GUN?
Do you have any idea how ignorant that is? America is the great melting pot with people from all around the world making up our numbers and guess what. We will have more crime, more diversity in beliefs, more conflicts from those diverse beliefs, and with more freedoms comes an increase in the bad elements, violence driven Holywood movies, etc. etc.
America also had NO MASS SHOOTINGS OF KIDS back 50 years ago and guess what? We had more gun freedoms by far than today! WHY IS THAT? Spew your anti gun rhetoric and tell me why we never had any of these kids killing kids until now. It's not guns that brings violence, it's the lack of moral values, broken families that has ushered in this inhumanity. I beieve abortion was one of the key factors in reducing the value of innocent lives.
Tell us all about the inhumanity in Norway when it comes to the lives of innocent unborn Babies. Consevatives care as much about born children as they do unborn but keep spewing the lies of Liberals to excuse your inhumanity against our most innocent unborn. You say you care about lives? GET REAL!
But we have mindless Socilists like you who know nothing of America and spew your anti gun rhetoric, thinking you know why these things are happening.
That's the problem with liberals, they are the arrogant ones who think they can force their political correctness socialist ideology on everyone.
Do you have a clue how stupid it is to blame mass shootings on the gun?
Yes, I do - it is very stupid. That is why I never blamed any shooting on any guns, I blame it on lack of gun control.
America also had NO MASS SHOOTINGS OF KIDS back 50 years ago
Columbine High School April 20th 1999, two senior students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, murdered a total of 12 students and one teacher. They injured 21 additional people, with three others being injured while attempting to escape the school.
Nevada middle school shooting October 2013, a 12-year-old boy, whose name has not been released, began by shooting a fellow student in the shoulder,then he turned his gun on math teacher Mike Landsberry before shooting a second student in the abdomen
Jaylen Ray Fryberg, a student who opened fire at Marysville Pilchuck High School in Marysville, Washington, on Oct. 24, 2014. Law enforcement sources told NBC News that Fryberg was the student who pulled out a small handgun and opened fire on a table full of students in the cafeteria, a girl was killed and four other young people were seriously or critically wounded, and Fryberg soon was dead himself of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
I don't need to go on.
It's not guns that brings violence, it's the lack of moral values, broken families that has ushered in this inhumanity.
YES!!!!!! ECACTLY!!!! FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING CLEVER. And do you know how you mend the broken families? By giving them education, by giving them homes, by making it possible for them to survive and live a decent life. And that brings us to the original debate - Socialism is the way to make America a great country again, socialism is the end on violence. You just surrendered this debate - you agree with me, that America's fatality is all caused because of capitalism!
You fool! I said we had NO MASS KILLINGS OF KIDS 50 YEARS AGO and you rattle off recent shootings. Are you on drugs?
Guns did not bring the broken families! Gun control will not fix the mass shootings!
I REPEAT we had no mass shootings 50 years ago when we had hardly any gun control laws.
America's problems with broken family started with the socialist mindset, with the sexual revolution and with the Liberal control fanatics censoring any mention of God on public land. That was the beginning of the end.
Poverty has nothing to do with capitlism you mindless dweeb! We've had capitlism for generations and it created the greatest nation on Earth. Poverty is created by irresponsible lifestyles! I know because every moral family I know is living a very nice life WITHOUT any Government assistance! We didn't sleep around getting pregnant or getting girls pregnant, we did not take illegal drugs, we were taught to love family and be responsible. IT WORKS! We did this all in a capitalist society you complete mindless fool! We have great lives with a modest income & I have great respect for my company that gave me a job to raise my family. Guess what? I could care less how much that ceo makes when he created a job for me!
Good night and good riddance. Stay in your own socialist commune and leave other nations to what they know works! Leave capitalism to the nations that keep your little nation free. Were it not for America, your litte country would have long ago been taken over by Germany, Russia or China, and probably many others.
July 26, 1764: Greencastle, Pennsylvania, four Lenape American Indian entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only two children survived.
November 2, 1853: Louisville, Kentucky, Student Matthew Ward took a pistol to school, where he shot the schoolmaster Mr. Butler as revenge for what Ward thought was excessive punishment of his brother the day before. Ward was acquitted.[1]
August 16, 1856: Florence, Alabama, The schoolmaster had a tame sparrow and had warned the students not to harm it, threatening death. One of the boys stepped on the bird and killed it; he was afraid to return to school but did so. After lessons, the master took the boy into a private room and strangled him to death. The boy's father went to the school and shot the schoolmaster dead.[2]
July 6, 1858: Baltimore, Maryland, the 15-year-old son of Col. John T. Farlow (Baltimore's Marshal of Police 1867-70), was shot to death during a Sabbath School gathering. The perpetrator escaped, but several arrests were made.[3]
January 21, 1860: Todd County, Kentucky, A son of Col. Elijah Sebree was shot dead by another student. Young Sebree was threatening the other boy and said he intended to kill him. The other student got a gun and walked up to Sebree in the schoolhouse, where he shot him dead.[4]
February 6, 1864: Ashland County, Ohio, George W. Longfelt, the school teacher of the Pyfer's School House, shot and instantly killed student Alfred Desem and fled.[5]
February 16, 1867: Knights Ferry, California, Mr. McGinnis was shot and killed by his daughter's teacher after McGinnis threatened the teacher for expelling his daughter from school. When McGinnis' son learned of this, he went to the school and killed the teacher.[6]
April 2, 1867: Madison, Florida, Frank Pope, a pupil at the St. John's seminary, shot and killed his teacher Mr. Bristow with a pistol.[7]
June 8, 1867: New York City, Arthur Day, a 13-year-old boy, secretly took a loaded pistol to Public School No. 18 to shoot a dog he said had bitten him. While playing with the pistol, Day accidentally shot and injured classmate Robert Morton.[8]
December 22, 1868: Chattanooga, Tennessee, A boy who refused to be whipped by his teacher left the school. The next day he returned with his brother and a friend for revenge. Not finding the teacher at the school, they continued to his house, where a gun battle took place and three died. Only the original boy who initiated the attack survived.[9]
January 27, 1871: Knoxville, Tennessee, John Roberts, aged ten or twelve, accidentally had one of his eyes shot out at school and died.[10]
February 1, 1872: Washington, Pennsylvania, At the all-girls Union School, Thomas McGiffen, 17 years old, shot in the hip and seriously wounded the principal, Prof. Wilson, because the professor refused to deliver a note to one of the young ladies for him. McGiggin is a son of Col. Norton McGiffin, and brother of US naval hero Philo McGiffin.[11]
February 11, 1873 Wisconsin, A father shot the school mistress for whipping his son.[12]
The issue of students carrying guns to school, in a society in which gun ownership was widespread and guns were still used for hunting in some areas, was a topic of discussion dating to the mid-1870s, as noted in this 1874 Los Angeles Herald article:
"Boys and Pistols Yesterday at noon a boy sixteen years of age shot himself, or was shot by his brother. It matters not who fired the fatal shot. No criminal act was intended or committed, and the boy is dead. He was a member of the High School of this city and was, we are told, something over the average good boy of Los Angeles. This boy lost his life through the too common habit among boys of carrying deadly weapons. We do not know that this habit can be broken up. We do not know that school teachers have the right, or would exercise it if they had, of searching the pockets of their pupils, but it seems almost a necessity that some such rule be enforced. The hills west of town are not safe for pedestrians after school hours. Nearly every school-boy carries a pistol, and the power of these pistols range from the harmless six-bit auction concern to the deadly Colt's six-shooter..."[13]
February 20, 1874: Agency, Montana, After being ejected from school for disobedience, Thomas Sguires, 20 years old, returned to the school a day or two later, and fatally shot Prof. Hayes in the abdomen three times without warning.[14]
April 16, 1874: Lebanon, Kentucky, John R. Breckinridge, son of the late Robert Jefferson Breckinridge was shot to death at the Law school in Lebanon, Kentucky, by John L. Anderson, the Mayor's son. The latter was reportedly "crazed with liquor".[15]
May 24, 1878: St. Paul, Minnesota, A boy, Luckert, accidentally shot and wounded Allie McDonald, another boy at the Neill school. The bullet passed out, and the youth was expected to recover. His mother Mrs. McDonald went to the police station, but did not file a formal complaint.[16]
May 24, 1879: Lancaster, New York, Frank Shugart, a telegraph operator, shot and severely injured Mr. Carr, superintendent of the stables at a girls' school.[17]
December 1, 1881, Santa Monica, California, While working late on the program for the children's concert at the school house, the school master O'Donnell and one of the parents got into an argument. The parent Williams pulled a gun and fatally shot O'Donnell in the back.[18]
December 22, 1881: Shelby County, Indiana, School teacher Charles J. Gregory shot at a pupil at close range because he refused to write on a slate. The bullet missed the boy. The teacher was arrested.[19]
January 1882: Iola, Kansas, A group of boys shot into a school house, but no one was hurt. Two of the boys were arrested and pleaded guilty three weeks later. They were fined $9.00 each.[20]
April 13, 1882: Huntsville, Texas, G. W. Gray, a student at the Sam Houston Normal School, shot and wounded another student, M. J. Jordan. They were arguing over a comic valentine.[21]
February 14, 1883: Florence, Nebraska, As some children were playing and throwing snowballs outside the Ponca Creek school house, three young men pulled up in a wagon. They engaged the children in a snowball fight. When they were leaving, one of the men pointed his 45 caliber pistol at the children, accidentally shooting and wounding three of them. Harbaugh surrendered to police.[22]
November 1883: Barber County, Kansas, A bunch of drunken cowboys stopped at several schoolhouses, forcing two teachers to drink whiskey and firing numerous shots at three schoolhouses.[23]
February 28, 1884: Danville, Virginia, As Allen Wamack, a fifteen-year-old boy, drove by a "negro" school house, he called out "school butter." The school students ran out and attacked him; they fired several shots at him and he returned fire, hitting two students.[24]
March 6, 1884: Boston, Massachusetts, As news of outlaw Jesse James reached the East Coast, young boys started to imitate him. For instance, boys armed with guns shot at police investigating their activities at the Concord-street schoolhouse.[25]
March 15, 1884: Gainesville, Georgia, In the middle of the day, a group of very drunk Jackson County farmers were shooting their revolvers as they headed down the street, driving people into their homes. As they approached the female academy, the girls fled from the yard into the school. The gang followed and fired several rounds into the front door, but no one was hurt.[26]
June 12, 1887: Cleveland, Tennessee, Will Guess went to the school and fatally shot Miss Irene Fann, his little sister's teacher, for whipping her the day before.[27]
June 13, 1889: New Brunswick, New Jersey, Charles Crawford, upset over an argument with a school trustee, went up to the window and fired a pistol into a crowded school room. The bullet lodged in the wall just above the teacher's head.[28]
April 24, 1890: Brazil, Indiana, While the pupils of the Meridian Street School were at play, Ben Corbery drew a revolver and shot Cora Brubach, aged 10, seriously wounding her in the face. The girl had told the teacher of Ben's misconduct.[29]
December 27, 1890: Staunton, Virginia, At the Kable's Military Academy a 15-year-old student, A. H. Hathaway of Dennison, Texas, was accidentally shot dead by his 17-year-old classmate James Whitworth of Sulphur Springs, Texas, while they were playing with an old pistol.[30]
March 30, 1891: Liberty, Mississippi, During a school exhibition and concert given at the Parson Hill schoolhouse, where the large audience was composed of blacks and whites: teachers, pupils, and spectators, an unknown gunman fired a double barreled shotgun into the assemblage. 14 people were wounded, some seriously.[31]
April 9, 1891: Newburgh, New York, James Ferguson, 70, fired a shotgun at a group of students in the playground of St. Mary's Parochial School, causing minor injuries to several of the students.[32]
October 10, 1892: At Kansas University, two students, E. Higgins and Jack Craycroft, were shot as they were walking back to their dorm rooms after football practice. Law student Fred Bassett fired a double barreled shotgun as they passed his home; he said he had warned them not to trespass on his farm, which students frequently did.[33]
March 26, 1893: Plain Dealing, Louisiana, During an evening school dance at Plain Dealing High School, a fight broke out. When the smoke cleared; two students were shot dead, two more were fatally wounded, and the high school's Professor Johnson was shot in the arm.[34]
October 17, 1894: Brighton, near Parkersburg, West Virginia, When school was let out, Willis Gardner, 15, was shot to death and his 8-year-old brother fatally stabbed in a quarrel among a group of boys.[35]
December 13, 1898: Charles Town, West Virginia, During the School exhibition, a group of young men tried to break up a student performance. When the teacher Fisher tried to throw them out, they turned on him. Audience members joined the fray. The fight resulted in deaths: Harry Flasher was shot in the heart and instantly killed, Henry Carney was fatally shot in the back, Ralph Jones and two others were also fatally shot, and George Gibson was shot in the hand; Haz Harding had his skull crushed and several others received minor wounds.[36]
Let me know if you want the shootings from the 20th century
Thanks for that information but it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. In most all of those examples I saw not one killing where there was not some reason for the killing. They did not simply go into a school to shoot complete strangers for absolutely no reason. There were reasons for each case whether it was racism, fist fights, etc. etc
Yes since I mentioned 50 years ago, how about sticking with our century and i want you to find me some mass shootings where kids killed complete strangers in schools for absolutely no reason. Back 50 years ago we had very few gun control laws and we had hardly any mass shootings in schools like we see today. It is not a gun problem. It's a cultural problem.
September 3, 1900: Boise, Idaho, During school board committee elections, H. C. Branstetter attempted to murder H. B. Eastman. He shot once but was overtaken before he could fire again.[37]
February 24, 1903: Inman, South Carolina, Edward Foster, a 17-year-old student at Inman High School, was shot and fatally wounded by his teacher Reuben Pitts after jerking a rod from Pitts' hands to avoid punishment. According to the teacher, Foster struck the pistol Pitts had drawn, and caused it to fire. Pitts was acquitted of murder on grounds of self-defense.[38]
July 21, 1903: Jackson, Kentucky, at the Cave Run School, James Barrett and Mack Howard argued over a card game and fought a duel with pistols; they shot and killed each other. Student James Vires, aged 12, was shot in the abdomen while sitting at his desk during the gunfight.[39]
April 6, 1904: Chicago, Illinois, Two students had been fighting for most of a year over a girl. In their last fight, Henry Schaze threw 16-year-old Paul Jelick to the ground, drew a revolver, and shot his rival dead.[40]
September 27, 1904: Mount Ayr, Iowa, Two school directors got into a heated discussion over school business. When Samuel Égly threatened William Kling with an ax, Kling shot Égly through the heart, killing him.[41]
November 16, 1904: Riverside, California, At the Indian School, a gun fight broke out between pupils. Charles Colby was shot in the head with a pistol, then returned fire, killing Tom Bucanoros and fatally wounding Fred Smith.[42]
December 16, 1904: Magee, Mississippi, Parent E. E. Mangum was shot through the head and killed by the principal of the high school, Professor V. A. Alfonso. Mangum had argued with Woodward, who had given Mangum's 15-year-old son a severe whipping. Mangum lost his temper, shooting Woodward through the wrist. A bystander handed Woodward a pistol and he shot Mangum through the head.[43]
February 9, 1905: Colusa, California, At the request of his childhood friend, Pearl Cruse, 17-year-old Elmer Hildreth, who did not attend her school, went to a meeting between Miss Cruse and her teacher. It ended in "a hand to hand" encounter between teacher and pupil. When Ingrim went after Hildreth with an axe, Hildreth shot him in the stomach. Hildreth was arrested and bail was posted by five prominent men in the community. Hildreth was found to have acted in self-defense and no charges were filed. Ingrim survived.[44]
March 23, 1907: Carmi, Illinois, Parent George Nicholson shot and killed John Kurd at a schoolhouse during a school rehearsal. Kurd had made a disparaging remark about Nicholson's daughter during her recital.[45]
December 20, 1907: Chico, California, Arthur Roberts, aged 9 years, was shot in the head and killed outside his school during a military drill by school children of the Dayton school district. Armed with old guns believed to be empty, the children had pulled their triggers. The Roberts boy threw his hands to his head and cried, "I'm shot."[46]
December 23, 1908: New York City, Van Dwight Sheldon, an engineering student at New York University, was staying in the Dean's Manor with his older cousin and Dean of the Engineering College, Dean Snow. A burglar broke into the cellar of the home and Sheldon confronted him. The burglar shot Sheldon in the abdomen, killing him, and escaped.[47]
March 19, 1909: Mount Vernon, Illinois, During a school performance of "The Grand Central", John Moake, portraying the villain, was shot in the forehead and dangerously wounded by the hero, Roy Slater. The cartridge was thought to have been blank.[48]
June 10, 1909: Trinidad, Colorado Walter Harris, 11-year-old student, accidentally shot and killed his teacher B. C. Briggs in the head while on a school field trip.[49]
August 18, 1909: Bakersfield, California, After hunting doves, a group of six young men deliberately shot out the glass at the Fruitvale School. They also shot at the nearby residence of A. J. Hunter, narrowly missing several children in the rear yard.[50]
September 11, 1909: Gravette, Arkansas, John Butram, a student at the Bear Hollow School, told his fellow students that school was cancelled. The teacher A. T. Kelly insisted that the day's lesson was not over. When Butram drew a knife on his teacher, Kelly drew his gun and shot him.[51]
1910s[edit]
January 12, 1910: New York City, "A black bearded maniac drew an automatic pistol" and fired five shots into a crowd of boys at the Harlem School, who were taunting him. Robert Lomas, aged 6, was hit and died instantly; Arthur Shively, 6, was critically wounded.[52]
March 10, 1910: Ione, California, At the reform school, known as Preston School of Industry, students Albert Brown and Eugene Griffin tried to escape, stealing a revolver from the school's bakery shop. They shot at Captain William H. White when he pursued them. No one was hurt, but the boys were transferred to the penitentiary, which held adults.[53]
August 16, 1910: Lexington, Kentucky, A general fight broke out during school board elections; Lewis Napier was shot and killed, and several other persons were hurt. Several were arrested.[54]
April 27, 1911: Manhattan, Kansas, During a school play rehearsal, a boy accidentally loaded his revolver. An 18-year-old girl who was to use it in the play said she was afraid to handle it. The teacher said there was no need for her fear and pointed it at the girl, Pearl Reedy, squeezing the trigger. She was fatally wounded.[55]
January 31, 1912: San Francisco, California, In a brawl between the white and Chinese students at the Oriental School, James Kane was shot dead.[56]
November 19, 1914 Sayre, Pennsylvania, While walking to school, Charles Listman, 14, shot and killed Andrew Milton, 15, over the affections of classmate Minnie London, 13.[57]
January 13, 1915: Vancouver, Washington, During a parent-teachers' meeting, student Murlan Decker (15), was accidentally shot by his younger brother, Luther.[58]
September 22, 1916: Grand Rapids, Minnesota, Olga Dahl, the 19-year-old teacher at the Round Lake District School, was found tied to a tree near the school, assaulted and shot twice in the face. She had been working late after school, and a man with a revolver entered the school house and ordered her to obey him. He raped and shot her; she was not expected to live. All available men in Itasca County joined in hunting the assailant.[59]
December 26, 1916: Danville, Kentucky, During the Christmas tree celebration at the Harris Creek School, with a packed room of children and visitors, a fight broke out. William Benedict, Sr. was instantly shot dead; William Benedict, Jr. was shot in the ankle; Bourdon Galloway was shot in the right arm; and Mike Gaddis was shot in the leg. Many others were injured. The disturbance was said to be started by Thomas Thornton, who had been drinking and was told to calm down by Benedict. Thornton's brother George left the room and returned with a revolver.[60]
June 5, 1917: Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Earl Wolf, a 16-year-old freshman, was accidentally shot in the leg with a revolver around noon time, in the company of his classmates at the Central High School.[61]
November 29, 1918: Manes, Missouri, At the Perkins school's Thanksgiving night pie supper, teacher Joe Todd, age 21, was mysteriously shot. He was expected to recover.[62]
October 28, 1918: Chicago, Illinois, Overnight two brothers, William (16) and Ralph Carter (15), broke into the May public school, robbing the phone boxes and teachers' desks. Discovered by janitor Howard Parks and policeman Thomas Conway, a gunfight broke out. William was critically wounded and not expected to live; Ralph Carter was taken to jail.[63]
March 29, 1918: Jefferson City, Missouri, At the Lincoln Institute, State Negro Normal School, Professor Romeo West, 31 years old, was shot and killed in the dormitory by superintendent of school Theodore Martin. They were arguing over which dishes to use at a social. Martin said he shot in self-defense, fatally hitting West with three of five shots.[64]
April 6, 1918: Reeder, North Dakota, During the afternoon recess, a boy was looking over a 22-calibre rifle; it discharged, striking the head of the Coyne boy in the seat to the front, killing him instantly.[65]
January 9, 1919: Monroe City, Missouri, While school was in session, Hugh Claggett shot through the school house's front door while on his way home from work. No one was hurt, and he was fined $20.[66]
April 12, 1919: Ogden City, Utah, During a high school school assembly, six boys shot off their guns; permission had been given in the belief the guns were loaded with blanks but they had live shot. Teacher Verna Davidson was shot in the foot.[67]
August 8, 1919: San Francisco, California, An assistant in the Department of Chemistry at the University of California was distraught over his inability to obtain a position; he shot Professor Edmond O'Neill, and Professor Dr. J. H. Hildebrand in the administration offices of Gilman Hall. He shot at Vice President May L. Cheney but hit only her hair braid before being subdued.[68]
1920s[edit]
February 14, 1920: Durant, Oklahoma, At the Durant Normal School, teacher Albert McFarland, was shot and seriously wounded by one of his pupils.[69]
March 4, 1920: Cincinnati, Ohio, Student, Lawrence Angel, 14 years old, shot his teacher Beatrice Conner through the arm for sending him to the principal's office.[70]
March 12, 1920: Newberry, South Carolina, William Scott, a student at the Helena colored school, shot Henry Gray, another student.[71]
May 1, 1920: Summerville, Georgia, At the High School, student Alexander Potter, 15 years old, fired six shots at his teacher, Prof. Ransom, but missed. Potter was upset over having received a severe thrashing and expulsion. Potter was sentenced to 6 years at a reform school.[72]
May 15, 1920: Bowling Green, Ohio, While attending her son's school track meet, Mrs. F. Mahl was shot and killed accidentally by shot from the starter's pistol.[73]
August 1, 1920: Ogden, Utah, Mike Smults, the night watchman at the Utah school for the Deaf and Blind, shot a 10-year-old boy, Dennis McDonald, as he and his brother Clinton cut through the campus. The watchman said he fired into the air as a warning.[74]
October 22, 1920: Chicago, Illinois, Mrs. Carmila Rindoni went to the school and twice shot Rosalind I. Reynolds, her son's teacher, for spanking her son the day before. Mrs. Rindoni was arrested, and Miss Reynolds was expected to recover.[75]
November 4, 1920: Middlesboro, Kentucky, Prof. Barnes of Middlesboro high school was fatally shot by Adolphus Oaks, for whipping his sister the week before. Barnes had already submitted his resignation to the school board, as his students had boycotted his class in protest over the whipping. He intended to leave the city that weekend. Oaks went to jail.[76]
April 2, 1921: Syracuse, New York, Professor Holmes Beckwith shot and killed dean J. Herman Wharton in his office at Syracuse University before committing suicide.[77]
February 17, 1922: Valdosta, Georgia, John Glover broke into the school house, where he shot and killed a girl and fatally wounded a boy. A mob tracked and killed Glover 7 miles (11 km) away in Indianola, now Naylor, Georgia.[78]
August 1, 1922: Cherokee County, Oklahoma, Bryant Hignight and four other students were hanging out at the outhouse of the Mount Zion school; Hignight fired two shots. One entered Raymond Guin's head, killing the boy instantly. Three of the boys were questioned, but all said it was an accident.[79]
1930s[edit]
May 28, 1931: Duluth, Minnesota, Katherine McMillen, 24-year-old teacher at the Howard Gensen rural school near Duluth, was accidentally shot and killed by a pupil who brought a revolver to school.[80]
September 14, 1934: Gill, Massachusetts, Headmaster Elliott Speer was murdered by a shotgun blast through the window at Northfield Mount Hermon School. The crime was never solved.[81]
May 7, 1935: Irvington, New York, Dr. Paul Kyle, head of the Kyle School for Boys, was found shot to death in the school, just before classes were to begin that day.[82]
December 12, 1935: New York City, Victor Koussow, a Russian laboratory worker at the School of Dental and Oral Surgery of Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, shot and killed professors Arthur Taylor Rowe and Paul B. Wiberg, and wounded Dr. William H. Crawford before committing suicide.[83]
April 27, 1936: Lincoln, Nebraska, Prof. John Weller shot and wounded Prof. Harry Kurz in a corridor of the University of Nebraska, apparently because of his impending dismissal at the end of the semester. After shooting Kurz, Weller tried to escape, but was surrounded by police; he committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest.[84]
June 4, 1936: Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Wesley Clow shot and killed his Lehigh University English instructor, C. Wesley Phy. Clow went to Phy's office and demanded that Phy change his grade to a passing mark. Clow committed suicide after shooting Phy.[85]
June 4, 1937: Isabel, Kansas, Robert Douthitt, 16, was accidentally shot to death backstage during high school play practice. The revolver was to have been loaded with blanks, but it held live ammunition.[86]
September 24, 1937: Toledo, Ohio, 12-year-old Robert Snyder shot and wounded his principal, June Mapes, in her office at Arlington Public School when she declined his request to call a classmate. He fled the grounds, and shot and wounded himself.[87]
1940s[edit]
May 6, 1940: South Pasadena, California, After being removed as principal of South Pasadena Junior High School, Verling Spencer shot six school officials, killing five, before attempting suicide by shooting himself in the neck.[88][89]
May 23, 1940: New York City, Enraged by a grievance, Matthew Gillespie, 62-year-old janitor at the Dwight School for Girls, shot and critically wounded Mrs. Marshall Coxe, secretary of the junior school.[90]
July 4, 1940: Valhalla, New York, Angered by the refusal of his daughter, Melba, 15, to leave a boarding school and return home, Joseph Moshell, 47, went to the school, where he shot and killed his daughter.[91]
October 2, 1942: New York City, Irwin Goodman, 36-year-old mathematics teacher at William J. Gaynor Junior High School, was shot and killed in the school corridor by a youth.[92][93]
June 26, 1946: New York City, A 15-year-old student who refused to give his pocket money to a gang of seven youths was shot in the chest in the Public School 147 annex of the Brooklyn High School for Automotive Trades.[94]
December 24, 1948: New York City, A 14-year-old student was fatally wounded in the head by a shot from fellow student Robert Ross, 17. The youth was accidentally shot when he chanced into range where Ross was target shooting near a lake at the school.[95]
March 11, 1949: New York City, A 16-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School was accidentally shot in the arm by a fellow student who was ‘showing off’ with a pistol in a classroom.[96]
November 13, 1949: Columbus, Ohio, Ohio State University freshman James Heer grabbed a .45 caliber handgun from the room of a Delta Tau Delta fraternity brother, and shot and killed Jack McKeown, 21, a senior and also a fraternity brother.[97]
1950s[edit]
April 25, 1950: Peru, Nebraska, Dr. Barney Baker, 54-year-old psychology professor at Peru State College, shot and killed at their desks Dr. William Nicholas, 48, president of the college, and Dr. Paul Maxwell, 56, education department head, before returning home where he shot and killed himself in suicide.[98]
July 22, 1950: New York City, A 16-year-old boy was shot in the wrist and abdomen at the Public School 141 dance during an argument with a former classmate.[99]
January 24, 1951: Alton, Illinois, Henry Suhre, 61, quartermaster at Western Military Academy, was shot to death in the cadet store on campus.[100]
March 12, 1951: Union Mills, North Carolina, Professor W. E. Sweatt, superintendent and teacher at the Alexander School, was shot to death by students Billy Ray Powell, 16, and Hugh Justice, 19, whom he had reprimanded.[101]
June 4, 1951: New York City, Carl Arch, a 50-year-old intruder to a girl's gym class, was shot and killed by a police officer at Manhattan's Central Commercial High School.[102]
November 27, 1951: St. Louis, Missouri, David Brooks, a 15-year-old student, was fatally shot as fellow pupils looked on. Two former students were sought by police.[103]
April 9, 1952: New York City, A 15-year-old boarding school student shot a dean rather than give up his pin-up pictures of girls in bathing suits.[104]
July 14, 1952: New York City, Bayard Peakes walked into the offices of the American Physical Society (APS) at Columbia University, where he shot and killed secretary Eileen Fahey. Peakes was reportedly upset that the APS had rejected a paper of his.[105]
March 31, 1954: Newton, Massachusetts, John Frankenberger, 14, was accidentally shot to death in a classroom at Day Junior High School when a pistol being held by a classmate discharged.[106]
May 15, 1954: Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their room. The incident followed an all-night beer party. Long told police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7 a.m., Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting.[107]
January 11, 1955: Swarthmore, Pennsylvania, After some of his dormmates urinated on his mattress during hazing, Bob Bechtel, a 20-year-old student at Swarthmore College, returned to his dorm with a shotgun and shot and killed fellow student Holmes Strozier.[108]
May 4, 1956: Prince George's County, Maryland, 15-year-old student Billy Prevatte fatally shot one teacher and injured two others at Maryland Park Junior High School after he had been expelled from the school.[109]
October 20, 1956: New York City, A Booker T. Washington Junior High School student was shot and wounded in the forearm by another student armed with a home-made weapon.[110]
October 2, 1957: New York City, A 16-year-old student was shot in the leg by a 15-year-old classmate at a city high school.[111]
March 4, 1958: New York City, A 17-year-old student shot a boy in the Manual Training High School.[112]
May 1, 1958: Massapequa, New York, A 15-year-old high Massapequa High School freshman was shot and killed by a classmate in a washroom.[113]
September 24, 1959: New York City, Twenty-seven men and boys and an arsenal were seized in the Bronx as the police headed off a gang war resulting from the fatal shooting of a teenager at Morris High School.[114]
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February 2, 1960: Hartford City, Indiana, Principal Leonard Redden shot and killed two women teachers at William Reed Elementary School, having told his wife that stories were being told about him and the younger woman. He changed into hunting clothes and fled into a remote forest, where he committed suicide.[115]
March 30, 1960: Alice, Texas, Donna Dvorak, 14, brought a target pistol to Dubose Junior High School, and fatally shot Bobby Whitford, 15, in their 9th-grade science class. Dvorak believed Whitford posed a threat to one of her girlfriends.[116]
June 7, 1960: Blaine, Minnesota, Lester Betts, a 40-year-old mail-carrier, confronted principal Carson Hammond, 33, in his Blaine Elementary School office and shot him to death with a 12-gauge shotgun.[117][118]
January 4, 1961: Delmont, South Dakota, Donald Kurtz, 17-year-old senior at Delmont High School, was fatally wounded by a rifle shot. The shot was intended as a sound effect for a school play. He was shot during a rehearsal before the play was to be performed.[119]
October 17, 1961: Denver, Colorado, Tennyson Beard, 14, got into an argument with William Hachmeister, 15, at Morey Junior High School, and shot and wounded him. Another shot fatally struck Deborah Faith Humphrey, 14, who died.[120]
April 27, 1966: Bay Shore, New York, Teacher John S. Lane, 48, was shot and fatally wounded when he tried to stop 16-year-old student James Arthur Frampton. The youth was walking through the halls of Bay Shore Senior High School with a shotgun, searching for boys whom he had argued with earlier that day. Lane died about six weeks later of his wounds.[121][122][123]
August 1, 1966: Engineering student Charles Whitman, aged 25, got onto the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, from where he shot and killed 17 people and wounded 31 during a 96-minute shooting rampage in the University of Texas massacre. He had earlier murdered his wife and mother at their homes.[124] It was the deadliest shooting on a U.S. college campus until the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007.
October 5, 1966: Grand Rapids, Minnesota, Grand Rapids High School student David Black, 15, killed school administrator Forrest Willey and seriously wounded fellow student Kevin Roth, 14.[125][126]
November 12, 1966: Mesa, Arizona, Bob Smith, 18, took seven people hostage at Rose-Mar College of Beauty and ordered them to lie down in a circle. He shot each in the head. Four women and a three-year-old girl died; one woman and a baby were injured but survived. Police arrested Smith, who reportedly admired Richard Speck and Charles Whitman.[127]
They did not simply go into a school to shoot complete strangers for absolutely no reason.
The very first recorded school shooting did.
In most all of those examples I saw not one killing where there was not some reason for the killing.
The same holds true for majority of modern day shootings
Yes since I mentioned 50 years ago, how about sticking with our century and i want you to find me some mass shootings where kids killed complete strangers in schools for absolutely no reason.
So why does it have to meet those exact requirements to be considered a mass school shooting?
It should meet the requirements of the current mass shootings to discern the accuracy of what Democrats are claiming. We are addressing the issue of gun control where Democrats keep using these types of shootings in schools as reasons to create more gun control laws. We were not having these types of school shooting 50 years ago when we had much fewer gun control laws. OBVIOUSLY it is not the lack of gun control causing these mass shootings, it is our immoral culture creating these killers, as well as the side effects from drugs used in depression or mental issues.
Have you ever listened to the meriad of side effects from drugs they are selling on TV commercials?
Many of them produce side effects of suicide, depression, anger, etc.
How about addressing the real causes of these tragedies instead of the political madness form Democrats over their hatred of guns. When a people have guns, it is much more difficult for a corrupt government to steal their freedoms.
Recently, most of the mass shootings have been done by complete strangers! Oregon, Sandy hook, movie theater, etc. etc.
Again I ask all the gun control fanatics, why back fifty years ago when we had very little gun control laws, did we have hardly any mass shooting in schools? IT'S NOT THE GUN...... IT'S THE CULTURE CREATING KILLERS.
In most all of these mass shootings, the shooter killed many many people he did not know and just killed out of hate. Most of those shootings you brought up from long ago were shootings from arguments, etc.
We all now people have killed each other since the begining of time. Why do you post shootings that have nothing to do with the argument? We are talking about the mass shootings today that are happening very frequently(even according to Democrats) and are being blamed on the gun by Democrats who want to force more gun control laws.
For the last time, why is it when we had far ferwer gun control laws decades ago, we saw very very very few of these types of mass killings in schools, movie theaters, etc.?
In most all of these mass shootings, the shooter killed many many people he did not know and just killed out of hate. Most of those shootings you brought up from long ago were shootings from arguments, etc.
Yes and those arguments lead to hate.
We all now people have killed each other since the begining of time.
And yet you refuse to believe school shootings happened 50 years ago.
For the last time, why is it when we had far ferwer gun control laws decades ago, we saw very very very few of these types of mass killings in schools, movie theaters, etc.?
Thing is we haven't seen very few shootings 50 years ago. You just refuse to see it
What a shock, again so many people on this site refuse to just abmit the obvious in order to makes themsleves out to be right. Before I ignore this denial, please try answering one question....
You say...."Thing is we haven't seen very few shootings 50 years ago. You just refuse to see it". Do you see what you just did? You did not put MASS school shootings in your remark to make yourself out right. Thats why I ban so many people who are so deceptive to make themselves out right.
Now answer me this one question if it even possible to admit anything. Why are Democrats CONSTANTLY saying how these mass shootings are becoming common occurences and why we need more gun control laws. Democrats are not even swallowing your rhetoric. They are saying we are seeing many more of these mass shootings and is why they say we need more laws.
I guess you are the only person on this planet who says these types of mass school shootings, etc. have been hapenng forever. I wil not debate such deception.
Actually, the recent spate of Mass Shootings have nothing to do with gun control laws.
They are False Flag Ops, perpetrated by our Government. In an attempt to get legislation passed that will further justify taking away our guns, and also more of our Civil Rights. As did the Patriot Act.
James Holmes was a product of mind control. He was a brilliant PhD student with zero history of mental illness. That bit about his slow descent into madness that was noticed by his classmates and teachers over the year prior to the Batman Killings is total B.S. Look it up.
Guess who BOTH his parents once worked for? DARPA. Guess what they do?
Guess whose parents ALSO worked for DARPA? The Sandy Hook kid.
Columbine? Look up what Klebold's Dad did.
Google "same people present at different mass shootings" and see what you get.
Wake-up people. Put down the kool-aid and demand that our Government quit killing innocent civilians so as to further their Agenda of Tyranny.
Or you can laugh me off as simply,y another Conspiracy Nut. And then we'll see how that works out for all of us in about three years. LOL.
You fool! I said we had NO MASS KILLINGS OF KIDS 50 YEARS AGO and you rattle off recent shootings. Are you on drugs?
Jesus Christ, chill. It was a simple reading mistake, I'm sure you've done tons of them yourself.
We've had capitlism for generations and it created the greatest nation on Earth.
We've had capitalism up until the French Revolution, which changed Europe for the better. Sadly, America did not follow the modern ways, and stuck with their own conservative and destructive way of shaping their society.
Good night and good riddance. Stay in your own socialist commune and leave other nations to what they know works! Leave capitalism to the nations that keep your little nation free. Were it not for America, your litte country would have long ago been taken over by Germany, Russia or China, and probably many others.
Well you are certainly the stupidest, most ridiculous ignorant person I've ever debated with. Congratulations.
Congratulations for once again NOT EXPALINING why we had no mass shooting of kids 50 years ago when we had hardly any gun control laws. Typical!
By the way, we aready have gun safety courses for anyone getting a hunting license. We've had that for at least 50 years.
As usual you never explained why our capitaism back 50 years ago was not causng broken families. Typical!
It's time to ignore a socialist from another country trying to tell America how to run our lives. I could care less how you run your nation. You like socialism? Go for it. I like freedom and the best economy in the world.
You like socialism? Go for it. I like freedom and the best economy in the world.
I do like socialism, and I am very happy that I live in a country that has socialistic values. I am proud and happy to live in a country with minimal violence, where class distinction is as of 2015 the LOWEST IN THE WORLD! I am happy to say that the poorest people in our country are the richest poorest people in the world.
You like freedom and the best economy in the world? Your country's economy is in ruins, China OWNS you. So ... I wouldn't go ahead and brag about that.
Congratulations for once again NOT EXPALINING
I could, just like I've been trying to explain so many things during this debate. However, why should I try to explain anything when you, rather than looking at my arguments and criticizing them with actual fact and other things that we can both learn from, you instead go ahead and completely belittle my nations way of handling things, even though you know nothing about it? One thing is to prefer the way you guys do things in America, another thing is called ignorance - which is blindly believing it is the only right way to do it, not looking at other countries at all, how they are doing and learning from their mistakes and their right doings. No... just blind ignorance. So yeah you can call me typical, I'm not sure why - since I have never met you before, and you claim me to be a libertarian, yet I'm not American, so our political ideologies are completely different.. it's just useless and I am simply wasting my time with you.
You are simply wasting all our time on this debate site. You were the arrogant fool coming on to this site and insulting America's capitalism when you don't even live here.
Do you see us coming onto some debate about Norway and insulting your way of life? Do you ever hear us ranting about how little your nation does to stop the spread of terrorism, Russia's expansionary agendas, etc?
I debate on what is happenning in America and need no one from another nation pretending he understands our problems more than we do. WE LIVE HERE!
Coming to this site? I've been here for years, much longer than you have. So maybe you should back your ignorant arrogance away and start giving a crap about someone else than yourself.
Thankfully I have not seen your judgemental attacks on America's capitalism before. When I speak to the damage created by the Socialist push from Democrats in this nation, I am not speaking to other nations living under Government control.
If you think Government can better spend your hard earned money, then go for it. I will not try to change your nation's ideology.
Thankfully the American people know better what works for our country(until the progressive movement started conditioning people with socialist propaganda that is).
It's not capitaism hurting our nation, it is bigotry against any mention of God in our public square. It's the sexual revolution, it's the progressive movement pushing welfare dependence. The broken families are results of all of these agendas.
Just so you know, I never attacked you - I began to say how I think socialism is something to consider, and how I liked what Bernie Sanders said at the dem debate. It was you who attacked me, it was you who insulted me. What I said to you was only an answer of defense to your ignorant and rude comments about how we do thinks in northern Europe. Don't think you can just kick anyone without getting some kicks back.
I explained I attack those Liberals in MY COUNTRY who try to transform our way of life to big government control. If you want to be insecure and think I'm talking about your nation, go ahead and be insecure.
Let me make this VERY CEAR.... Americans could care less what other nations do to control their people and confiscate their guns. America is a free nation with a Constitution written to protect those freedoms. The Constitution guarantees our freedoms to own guns.
Stay out of our nation's freedoms and keep your big government control in the socialist nanny state countries to yourself.
The Republican ... oops, CONSERVATIVE debate, (there are few real Republicans left), is to see how many billionaires it takes to buy our CUNTRY with what USED to be OUR money! No contest, there! Vote Democratic, .... that is, if the conservatives in your area LET you vote!
We were screwed into an oligarchy once before, that put us into a depression with sweat shops and a few billionaires controlling the government! Teddy Roosevelt, a "republican" said "Enough, this is stupid!" Ol' Teddy ain't around any more, nor are there any Republicans with guts! Let's NOT get screwed again!
What a fool, talkng about sweat shops? LOL, you are the mindless low end voter who votes for free handouts. GET SOME PRIDE AND SUPPORT YOURSELF! Quit asking for charity from people who actually work hard and succede.
How many decades will you listen to democrats play the class warfare and play on your lazy selfish thinking.
Tell me, after decades of hearing democrats tell you how they will stop the income gap, WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WHEN THEY HAD CONTROL OF CONGRESS AND PRESIDENCY MANY TIMES? NOTHING!
They actually have you believing they are not tied to the rich, to the billionaire Geore Soros's of the world, to their big union money, to the environmentalists, to the feminists, etc. They are tied to special interest every bit as much as the GOP
Do you even have a clue that for all the back ground checks, all the being registered, all your rhetoric about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill would have stopped none of our mass shootings in schools, in movie theaters, etc.
In the last shooting in Oregon, he had mental issues but was never hospitized or put in an institution. He would have passed every back ground check. The garbage spewed by gun control fanatics like yourself would do nothing about most of our mass shootings.
In our cities with the most strick gun laws, they have the most gun murders.
Don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric.
Do you have some semblance of thought? Let me repeat.... Alcohol and cars kill far more people than guns so WHY ON EARTH do we hear nothing about these weapons of mass killings? Where is the outrage when a person can go to a bar, get drunk and drive and kill others? Where are the bans on Bars or night clubs if you SO CARE ABOUT LIVES? You would save far more lives by banning bars, and cars and alcohol then you would by banning guns. Why not force people to ride bikes to work if they ive within a certain distance if you so care about lives!
You are a mindless phony who wants his alcohol, his cars, and wants no one banning his freedoms to use both. But phonies like you have no need for guns so you are fine with banning someone else's enjoyments of target shooting or protection for his family.
Please spare me the lies of how the Left only wants assault rifles, or registrations, etc. Just as in England, they will one step at a time take our guns. Once we are all registered, they can come and collet the guns whenever the Government has become so controlling and the Left has scared everyone to fear guns.
Get out of our lives and stick to your own nation's laws. Start giving the nation that keeps your nation free, SOME RESPECT!
