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 Democrats trying to ban Scary Guns (7)

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Democrats trying to ban Scary Guns

Maybe it is the color of the gun that scares Democrats who knows.
 One of the pillars of the Obama administration’s plan to curb gun violence, and it remains popular with the public. In a poll last December, 59 percent of likely voters said they favor a ban. But in the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference. It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.

In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.

Has the little handgun become a Scary Gun in the eyes of the Democrats.

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Yes because they do not understand the founding fathers original purpose behind the second amendment. As Thomas Jefferson himself said "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787). Scary guns ,as you put it, are the ones that can keep a government in line. Without them, a time could come where the government can simply use the military to force the people to its will. Our founding fathers were terrified of a standing military being used against the people so they put the second amendment in place. Regarding the preamble "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" , it says nothing about a militia that is controlled by government, be it a state or federal one. It is meant as a militia formed by the people. Democrats now only see guns as just used for hunting, home protection, or even killing people, but they forgot they most important role in our society, and that it is to prevent tyranny.

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I don't think there can be a good balanced argument against the banning of guns in America. America has the highest rate of gun crime in the world for a developed country (1) and is also a country in which it is very easy to obtain a firearm, surely this basic statement proves that if guns are legal then gun crime is higher! After the sandy hook massacre in Australia guns were subsequently banned and gun crime then plummeted showing that a ban on guns in America could well be the answer to reducing gun crime (2)

A common argument for not banning firearms is that a person would have no defense against an intruder however the banning of firearms would also mean it would be drastically more difficult for a potential criminal to get hold of such a weapon, reducing the incentive to undergo a burglary in the first place. Although having a firearm is one the the pillars of the American constitution I think this has become outdated and many patriots will have to accept that the way forward for a safer nation is to abolish the legality of firearms. The banning of assault rifles alone is not enough to ensure the safety of citizens as the majority of deaths by firearms in the USA are actually carried out by small arms (3). These are but a few of the points to condemn gun legality in the USA to support the banning of firearms to ensure a safer country. I look forward to reading an opposing view to my argument.

Luke Waterhouse

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Sources:

1) http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/ 09/19/u-s-has-more-guns-and-gun-deaths-than-any-other-country-study-finds/

2)http://www.cfr.org/society-and-culture/us-gun-policy-global-comparisons/p29735

3)https://www.quandl.com/data/FBI/WEAPONS11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type

Kolab(11) Disputed
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"America has the highest rate of gun crime in the world"

Honduras has the highest rate of gun deaths actually. But even if that was not true, that would only account for gun violence. Criminals can use knives, clubs, explosives, or even poison for that matter.

"Australia guns were subsequently banned and gun crime then plummeted showing that a ban on guns in America could well be the answer to reducing gun crime."

Firs of all, Australia is an island which is why it's reletively easy for Australia to prevent illegal guns from getting in. Second, crimes in general, such as robberies, rape, etc, have actually gone up in countries where guns were banned. Because surprise, criminals don't give a crap about rules.

"A common argument...is that a person would have no defense against an intruder. However,...it would be drastically more difficult for a potential criminal to get hold of such a weapon."

This is the part where you're argument goes down the drain. If it becomes more DIFFICULT for a criminal to aquire a gun but makes it IMPOSSIBLE for a law abiding citizen to aquire a gun, what does that mean for the law abiding citizen?

There are ways to reduce crimes. A couple of ideas I like are ensuring people get a high school education, teach people about gun safety, or community policing. Just remember, prisons don't hold guns, they hold people.

Supporting Evidence: Gun control myths (www.gunfacts.info)
MindRocket(2) Disputed
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This still doesn't explain why countries such as the UK or France which do not allow guns have far less gun crime than the USA. I feel that the argument for guns in the USA is driven by a patriotic backing of the American constitution, there is no need for everyone to have a gun. I can't see how it is not blatantly clear that if guns are illegal, there is less gun crime. Surely this is the case. I agree that it will not occur overnight, this will probably induce a black market for firearms however in the long term I think that banning guns will reduce gun crime.

On the point on Australia, The United States is a very developed country and if illegal guns were provided for under a black market I would have thought they would be, by majority be manufactured illegally in the USA anyway, not imported. The first step in reducing gun crime, is to ban guns. A similar approach to the Australian scenario could be used, the government pays citizens the right price to hand their firearms into a deposit making most more than willing to give them up.

On the final point I think that banning firearms would dissuade a criminal to break into a house, If determined criminals have full access to firearms throughout the USA then I don't think the average citizen is going to be able to ward them off without posing injury or even death to themselves first. I think it is far better to drastically reduce the risk of being robbed in the first place.

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Do Republicans not understand the difference between a GUN BAN and GUN CONTROL, because they differ greatly. Democrats, on top of wanting to ban weapons of war from being purchased publicly, also wish to limit the hands in which a gun can end up in.

They're far less concerned with assault weapons than with the everyday acquisition of firearms in general.

What every Canadian thinks about U.S. gun laws (As if it means something to any American): Why do they need guns/so many guns?

And the answer for that is obviously: They don't./Because other people have guns.

Kolab(11) Disputed
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Can you clarify what assault weapon means? And can you give a couple examples?

cownbueno(407) Clarified
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"The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud."