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 Did Gays Choose to Be Gay, or Did Nature Choose Them (211)

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I can't prove it, but I think people like what they like. I didn't choose to like broccoli and hate liver, but I do. Just saying.

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I'm not saying that there isnt a compulsion. But whatever compulsion they decide to live with is a choice. Like gambling or alcoholism. But to inocululate the babies going into school now is a crime against our next generation. My granddaughter who is 4 right now!

Why would anyone think exposing the next generation to this extreme degree is reasonable?

Whatever degree, they are welcome to live their lifestyle of their choice!!

But even if a mental disorder to choice. Thats a wide variety of originations to THROW onto our next generation!

And the Bernie gen and waco adults that think like them are too programmed to stop the train wreck.

I am so sad for their babies!!

Stickers(1037) Clarified
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Pardon, but to inoculate primary school children with what exactly? And how?

Are you suggesting that being gay is a mental disorder?

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So you are saying they don't choose to be homosexual, they choose to act on it.

Well yeah. That's how actions work.

KNHav(1957) Clarified
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?

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It is right, as it isn't an issue of religious freedom.

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Not that it matters if its a choice, but none of us chooses anything. Choice is an illusion.

Stickers(1037) Clarified
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Hmm... I've been trying to develop a refutation of this. Bear with me.

Don't we at least choose the way in which we conceptualize things? Aren't we exercising some sort of dynamic of choice when we use, an abstract means of understanding a concrete thing (or vice versa), like inches (abstract) to measure height (concrete)? Aren't the avenues that we take contextualize things a way of sieving through reality, and thus demonstrate choice because it manipulates our reality of perception?

Jace(5149) Disputed
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You have identified a differentiation between the phenomenological reality and objective reality, but that does not at all suggest we have any choice. That we conceive of things in any manner is just as determined as our actions, conception itself being a form of action.

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I think it's naive to believe there is single cause for just about anything. Nature, luck, socialization, personal choice, all are factors in determining someone's life course.

But with that said, the fact that a) there is no actual harm to society if some people are gay (just imagined harm drummed up by uptight bigots), and b) you really can't assume or conclude that it's merely a choice or the wrong choice and therefore they should be vilified or forced to change, both pretty much mean you should leave them alone to live the way they are, regardless.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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There is no harm in them living life according to their choices!

Even some laws to give them benefits!

And honestly, we need to tell our gay friends we live and support them! And thats our choice!

BUT, we do not support this movement.

So I will be at your union celebration, and be a part of your life!!

But equal means this, and I cant support that!!

Their beliefs should be restricted from areas , in the same way religious beliefs are restricted from the same areas!

Both are moral value based beliefs!!

They are both beliefs and value education is restricted.!

So why is this belief OK to be a value education to our kids, and the healthy parts of religious values are not,

For kids of mostly natural parents who all have their OWN values, and most in opposition to this value.

So we had prayer for 3 min in am removed because it might influence non religious children, which was a tiny group of random people.

And we have a sexually explicit and in complete moral opposition to most all parents, and allow a wider than religiious freedom for this small group.

And not just 3 min of value influence!! 3 minutes compared to 8 hours of bombardment per day!

We are talking influence on steroids!

And we should ALL be OK with this?? Seriously?Am I stupid or an idiot, high strung or should this be a fight to the death from every sensible person alive in America!

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Gays have rights to live how they want. But they do not belong in our schools, or our curriculum. We don’t want it on Sesame Street, and we don’t want it shoved in every scene on TV shows we already started watching.

None of you secular want us to put religion in every place you enjoy, and force you to take it like its medicine that you hate taking.

Not because I hate gay people, but because I am not gay. it was never an interest, if it was I would have made that choice. I had girls have crushes on me, but I like the natural roles of male and female. Regardless of reason NO ONE ID BORN GAY!

And for people like me who haven't made a choice to have a relationship like that was a matter of, we all are born with natural inclinations, and we can form compulsions obsessions, slapshot is right, there are alot of emotional lesbians.

Most of us don't have the interest because our environments and experiences and perceptions followed a natural course, and any influence was counterbalanced by natural behavior around us, It’s against our nature!

And it’s not entertaining. And the writers need to be accountable, entertain or make a statement, and force something we don’t want on us. If there is going to have content warn us before we watch the series, that several scenes are gay. And we can choose to watch it or not. Fair?

To have gay marriage in our schools is a severe prohibiting religious freedom, while our kids spend 8 hours a day being indoctrinated by values that are in direct opposition to most parents who have kids in school. And in reality LGBT is a religion, but somehow got beyond the boundary of church and state.

It’s a crime against parents and against entire generations of children, to allow an unnatural set of sexual behaviors to take such a huge control of our family life.

Hell there are people screaming in agony from their compulsion. And many gays I met were very emotional about their choice often negatively.

But you all want to ensnare the next generations, and you think that internal negative feeling will go away, but it won't. Because it will always be against your nature. And no matter how inoculated those poor kids get by your make it natural agenda, they will still have the same pain you all had. And that's not the bullies outside, its the bully that beats you down everyday inside your head for your unnatural choices.

It prohibits us to make value choices for our kids and making us powerless against that harsh degree of influence. Its an interference in raising our children by done by law our own values and beliefs.

The gay community is a religion, they are believers and have collective faith, and share their set of morality and values. Isn’t this in favor of 1 group and forced on all. It shouldn’t be forced into every part of our society against the natural values of most and also against the religious values of most. Given and guaranteed by religious freedom.

Sexual behavior is found in every area of religion, in values, morality, doctrines, restrictions, permissions, right and wrong, and family goes hand in hand with sexuality. And sexuality is a main principal in marriage, children, and family.

We are not discussing black or white families. We are discussing natural and unnatural marriage, and sexuality that is against values and morality of most families.

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Christian Pastor Destroys Gay Pastor
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They were molded, in a sense. Homosexuals are sort of similar to a person who could have been tall, but grew up malnourished.

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So you think your kids will be gay or not be gay because of whatever happens at birth, and influence has nothing to do with it, or trauma, or something else??

Part 1 and Part 2 combined

Law should have created an exception made to give them what they need to have the marriage they desire is appropriate.

Not equal to marriage, there is a difference.

One way they have a right to everything they believe, but cant be equally present everywhere!

Just like religion has has a right to everything they believe, but not the right to be present everywhere!

Because morals and values conflict!

They have a right to choose their life style and life partner. made to give them what they need to have the marriage they desire is appropriate.

They have a right to choose their life style and life partner.

So, in other words, in 1st grade social studies text books, where kids are learning about communities, firemen, police officers, construction workers and moms and dads. “

Equal means Bill and John Smith are married and work in the community.

John is a Police Officer and Bill drives the school bus in the morning. The rest of the day Bill is a busy dad of 2 little boys.

Bill takes the boys to the grocery store where Miss Linda and Miss Patty work in the check out lines. They live next door and they are Mary’s mommies.

Time to hurry home to make dinner! When John comes home they enjoy dinner on the deck and play baseball in the yard.

Ok then, This text book piece I made up is just a peek into your children’s entire curriculum, including class led discussions in favor of the lifestyle of any choice.

And the teacher happens to also be a wacko in the Bernie Generation.

Or, if maybe you happen to get lucky, and have someone with moral values, she’ll do what she can, but she has way more restrictions than the equallity of gay marriage! We should be all marching against this!!!

A teacher with natural family values, will not be sble to say a word against it!

Teachers are limited by religious freedom, to influence your kid on morals and values. BUT gays are not limited on msexual morals and values!!

After all the material is thrown at your son for 12 years of education, is that going to have any affect on him and all his peers of their perceptions of what family is?

So now, do you all actually WANT to your children neutered because that is exactly the decision you all are making If and when you have them?

You straight supporters are you ok with your son choosing the feminine role of Bill. What do you expect?

Now you Bernie guys don’t think real well, and you say no big deal we have friends who are gay.

Yea but that is no where near the classroom your kids will be in!

You maybe became aware from a tv show like Degrassi or some friends at school, and even in your generation it has become a more popular choice. But you didn’t go through kindergarten with a knowledge of if.

Congratulations all of you, it’s a 50/50 chance your child may choose a natural gay lifestyle. Enjoy your prom pictures of your son and his boyfriend.

They will see same sex marriage as natural as you all saw natural marriage!

They will mot distinguish any natural difference!!

I'm not saying, if your kid chose to be gay you would love them less!

I am saying as a parent someday, do you want to teach your children its a NATURAL choice, and make it a choice like 2 kinds of cereal?

They will see normal happy gay parents, along side of and to be the same as hetero marriages.

No natural difference, their friends all influenced the same!

And you dont think your kids will be more likely than you to choose being gay.

And your ok w gay being a matural choice taught in schools.

But would you actually on purpose, nurture your kids to pick either gay or hetero?

Is that really what you want moving forward into the next generation, of your own children’s future educational experience.????

Most of us are not gay, yet the 4 % of people who are gay are going to be permitted to make it look like a the gay lifestyle is a very appealing natural optional choice. And you all really think you don’t want moral values holding back these things from overtaking you, and hurting all of us?

Being gay is a belief or a choice now we are going to introduce it to our entire next generation and inoculate society from knowing the difference between unnatural and natural, or even what bathroom to use because they are removing the idea of gender and natural sexuality.

Law should have created an exception made to give them what they need to have the marriage they desire is appropriate.

Not equal to marriage, there is a difference.

One way they have a right to everything they believe, but cant be equally present everywhere!

Just like religion has has a right to everything they believe, but not the right to be present everywhere!

Because morals and values conflict!

Darkyear(345) Disputed
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Were you on acid when you typed this?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Which part? The coming text books? Or That Im crazy for questioning what this means for your babies and preschoolers as they enter school in the mext few years?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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What do you think of this saying?

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you"

I see many people who think like you, seem to apply this only one way.

Can you tell me how YOU apply this to Christians in your community, during times you wouldnt expect something in return?

NathanAllen(2288) Clarified
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They have a right to choose their life style

make it look like a the gay lifestyle

Not a lifestyle... It is who we are...

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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I support a balance of live and let live.

Something millennials seem to know nothing about.

From my experience, the activists and supporters, are the rudest most selfish people I ever heard speak.

Im shocked they cant even see others.

We taught you all the golden rule, Im not sure, how or why your generation is so cruel.

You guys complain about bullying, but you all hide behind keys and bully even your own. As seen on how the internet ruined my life.

The mean things people say to those victims, ruining their lives, are said by millennials,

Not baby boomers!

So listen to a few of those shows, look in the mirror, and realize how selfish and cruel your generation is accurately defined as, and then decide if that is who you are personally!

The baker is your mother, your grandmother, the special Aunt that once made sure you didnt feel left out, or an older neighbor that kept a watchful eye out for you and your friends. Or she is that nice lady at the store that winked at you when caught shoplifting, and said "hey some advise next time you wont be so lucky!"

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?

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KNHav(1957) Clarified
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If you are not gay, would you pick up a book like this for a bedtime story with your 5 year old?

John is a Police Officer and Bill drives the school bus in the morning. The rest of the day Bill is a busy dad of 2 little boys.

Bill takes the boys to the grocery store where Miss Linda and Miss Patty work in the check out lines. They live next door and they are Mary’s mommies.

Time to hurry home to make dinner! When John comes home they enjoy dinner on the deck and play baseball in the yard.

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I am bisexual. I did not choose to be this way........................................................

outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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Well why have you Progressives said it was a choice ? And your answer is ?

Sitar(3682) Disputed
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Strawman fallacy. I never said that homosexuality was a choice. IT IS NOT A FUCKING CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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What do you think of this saying?

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you"

I see many people who think like you, seem to apply this only one way.

Can you tell me how YOU apply this to Christians in your community, during times you wouldnt expect something in return?

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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Sitar(3682) Disputed
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No I did not choose to be bisexual. It just happened. When did you choose to be straight?

Nature chooses people to be gay. Living things do not choose to be gay. It comes naturally to them. Just like people that are heterosexual they had natural feelings and emotions to the opposite sex. They did not choose to be heterosexual. Gay people are naturally attracted sexually and emotionally to the same sex... And can someone choose to be gay or hetero?

Yes people could choose to act in a homosexual act. But if they do not have nurtural feelings or emotions to the same sex does it really mean their gay... No their not gay.

Yes people could choose to act in a heterosexual act. But if they do not have nurtural feelings or emotions to the opposite sex does it really mean their heteorsexual... No their not heterosexual.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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What do you think of this saying?

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you"

I see many people who think like you, seem to apply this only one way.

Can you tell me how YOU apply this to Christians in your community, during times you wouldnt expect something in return?

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The LGBT Crowd is concerned about bathrooms ! Don't you get it ?

If you think it's possible to choose to be gay, why not give it a try? Are you gay yet?

outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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Why should the American People bow to the LGBT Crowd ? Can you tell me what percentage the LGBT Crowd makes up of the population ?

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Because being American and being gay aren't mutually exclusive.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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It doesn't appeal to me but neither does broccoli. I wouldn't try it because I'm a woman who enjoys relationships with men.

I have had a few girls have had a crush on me. And its purely sexuality by choice.

It goes from Gay to Bi. It may be a compulsion and not sure what would its trigger. A gay person may have buried details.

But sex is sex, you touch the right spots and its sex.

You don't have a different vagina or a different penis!

Your pref is psychological or emotional, but there is no physical origination for your preference

We all have the same equipment, you may be emotionally drawn or obsessed by someone and you establish comfort with the unnatural.

But no gay person was ever born gay!

There have been babies born with rare abnormalities, but no babies born gay !!

Cartman(18191) Disputed
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Logically from your post babies aren't born straight either. And, since babies aren't born straight or gay, you have completely lost any point you were trying to make.

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Your pref is psychological or emotional, but there is no physical origination for your preference

We all have the same equipment, you may be emotionally drawn or obsessed by someone and you establish comfort with the unnatural.

'Genetic' or 'without choice' doesn't mean that there must be a physical origin. Do you think that your preference against broccoli was something you chose, or something nature chose?

It goes from Gay to Bi.

Can you explain what you mean here?

There have been babies born with rare abnormalities, but no babies born gay !!

As Cartman said, if you're only looking at physical traits at birth, and you're claiming that if they're not there at birth it's a choice, then you would also be making the argument that going through puberty is a choice, being tall is a choice, the way you think about anything is a choice, etc..

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I would say that people are born with preferences, but acting on those preferences is a choice. I didn't choose to be straight, but dating people of the opposite sex is a choice I make

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?

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So its our job to disprove their lies! When they have never PROVED their lies??

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Here is a brilliant one from debate!!!

From - luckin(29) 1 point

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He she or it says "I would say that people are born with preferences, but acting on those preferences is a choice. I didn't choose to be straight, but liking people of the opposite sex is a choice I make"

My point back -

Yea right! Because every baby is born with preference! You've got to be kidding me!

How can this make sense to ANYONE? So then, these kids over in this group are born with a sweet tooth, and this group if kids were born to prefer vegitables??

We have to call it out!

Its one thing to give the what they need for living their own choice, its another thing to call it equal and let it invade and destroy or entire society, and to screw religious freedom while their at it!

And this moral value is a belief, like any religion! But those values are aloud to parade in our kids school, who most were born of natural sexuality, some helped by enhancement due to difficulties. But 100 of which were born, from male plus female!

Shouldnt the nature of their existance dictate the influences allowed BY GOVERNMENT?Isnt anything else vue based education?

Last I checked we werent oud to have "value based education"

And this is UNNATURAL VALUE BASED EDUCATION"

So will you all celebrate with them when Disney produces its first prince and prince fairy tale??

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We should be 100% everyone present at every state capital! And Washington! To the point by sheer numbers, they'd see people for miles and miles. All for a week same week same statement in every state and in Washington!

We should all show up on this, and ne as big as the sea!!

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Because I said so is factual.

And factual is dismissed, because I said so!

And if you disagree, Ill go Political Correct on you. Because that is my safe place where I cant be challenged!

My personal position on this is that there are certain people who choose to be gay for whatever reason, and certain people who are born with stronger biological or environmental inclinations in that direction, and that all people are born with at least some tendency towards bisexuality. Honestly, I find the acts of male gay sex not appealing in the least because of the particular way that it's often engaged anally, which I just find in particular to seem unsanitary to me. That said, if you want to be gay, be gay. Just kindly don't elaborate on your sexual escapades with me unless I ask; and then, kindly be forgiving if I make a face. lol

If we're talking about being biologically more inclined to be gay though, I had forgotten, but one day in class my teacher revealed to us that women who were under extreme stress during World War II while their men were away at war were statistically more likely to have boys who identified as gay. I thought you guys might find that interesting!

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?

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Please read and show you heard my points

You can disagree, but I want to know i was heard!

Very important points you should read about the gender bathroom issue and potential for crimes.

The point is this does occur.

And even if in some far fetched world it didnt, which it actually does!

Once the law is a Real Law, it will be almost impossible to prosecute perverts who peep, in ladies rooms and dressing rooms too!

So, this law will open up crimes against women and little girls and give pradators legal arguments that will almost always escape prosecution!

And stores, concerned citizens that are aware of deviant predators, law enforcement, and the courts will have their hands tied by this law and will not be able to keep women and little girls safe in these areas.

Because

1 - they will have an a legal argument of defense thanks to a law

And

2 - a law would justify law suits from preditors, who should be prosecuted and justify suit against accusations on the grounds they are " transgender"

3 - the political correct environment would excuse these preditors day in and day out, as people walk away and question the confusing circunstance they just witnessed, or they will in general fear accusing a peedator because of not wanting to offend a transgender.

My suggestion is no law allowing it!

And let the issue go.

If you are truely transgender, you most likely really look feminine, and just do it. Go into your stall, do your thing, wash your hands and finish your shopping.

But if its a law, you will effectively have given predators a free pass, and thats unconcienciable!

You hear many incidents of peepers in bathrooms and dressing rooms, AND DRESSING ROOMS will come if not passed in one swoop along with bathrooms!!

Dressing rooms are really the end game of the law. Bathrooms are just the foot in the door!

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A few dynamics you guys need to think about before you jump in and be fair at the cost of great unfairness.

A guy could rape in a bathroom with or without this law.

The difference with the law not only is being uncomfortable, and there are varying degrees of that.

A 10 year old girl going to a public rest room with a an older transgender would be very scarey for her too.

You cant make a law with a small picture. You have to be responsible and look at the different scenarios and apply it.

An even bigger issue is this, a guy could rape or peep in a bathroom anyway, with or without law.

But with the law passed, you WILL tie up just prosecutions of offenders!

You have a perv peeking or worse, with this law, these crimes will occur with nasty peepers in frequency beyond current incidents.

But because of this law, you wont be able to touch perverts legally using these areas.

Its a matter of chaos, and its to confusing to prosecute them.

And they will prey on it! And hide through this law, legally.

Its a perfect legal argument, to go out and do it again and again. Without even a smack. As a matter of fact, the pervert will actually sew stores and concerned citizens AND WIN!

Without a bathroom law, if a customer or employee sees a 40 year old guy in the girls room, and it looks suspect, they can act on it! And can call someone, and have it investigated.

With this law, deviant behavior will get a free pass, and the law will protect preditors.

By easily claiming they are trangender.

And approaching them will guarenteed to get the concerned person who is accusing appropriately in trouble, and sued. Because he can sue, he will sue! And be able to continue being free preditors!

So the look at at impact of a law like this, and weigh it with common sense, and also knowledge of the legal process!

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You may not want to hear this, but dont reject true evaluation of legal process, to defend your views.

If you can say the trade off of letting preditors be preditors and continue to get away with it, and perping toms or worse will be excused in droves in the legal process over this law, then fine. Have a good day. We agree to disagree.

And like I said, just do it.

We wont likely question your gender, if you are really transgender.

But a law will aid preditors!

And you being sure has control of the legal process and loopholes, assuring these preditors will have to prove something? Prove something that is gray, against someone saing they are protected as a transgender? Proof of the incident would be very gray and extremely difficult to prove or disprove, no matter how clear the incident is?

Law is a funny thing!

The burden if proof is on the accuser.

Word against word, ask a lawyer what would likely happen!

He may not have to show much at all, if anything. Afterall, "trangenders" will be protected. You would have to have proof of what you saw.

Or its word against word!

A few dynamics you guys need to think about before you jump in and be fair at the cost of great unfairness.

A guy could rape in a bathroom with or without this law.

The difference with the law not only is being uncomfortable, and there are varying degrees of that.

A 10 year old girl going to a public rest room with a an older transgender would be very scarey for her too.

You cant make a law with a small picture. You have to be responsible and look at the different scenarios and apply it.

An even bigger issue is this, a guy could rape or peep in a bathroom anyway, with or without law.

But with the law passed, you WILL tie up just prosecutions of offenders!

You have a perv peeking or worse, with this law, these crimes will occur with nasty peepers in frequency beyond current incidents.

But because of this law, you wont be able to touch perverts legally using these areas.

Its a matter of chaos, and its to confusing to prosecute them.

And they will prey on it! And hide through this law, legally.

Its a perfect legal argument, to go out and do it again and again. Without even a smack. As a matter of fact, the pervert will actually sew stores and concerned citizens AND WIN!

Without a bathroom law, if a customer or employee sees a 40 year old guy in the girls room, and it looks suspect, they can act on it! And can call someone, and have it investigated.

With this law, deviant behavior will get a free pass, and the law will protect preditors.

By easily claiming they are trangender.

And approaching them will guarenteed to get the concerned person who is accusing appropriately in trouble, and sued. Because he can sue, he will sue! And be able to continue being free preditors!

So the look at at impact of a law like this, and weigh it with common sense, and also knowledge of the legal process!

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Did you choose to eat shit or does your mom make you eat it ?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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What do you think of this saying?

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you"

I see many people who think like you, seem to apply this only one way.

Can you tell me how YOU apply this to Christians in your community, during times you wouldnt expect something in return?

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Being gay is an emotion. Many people call it being happy. You can be gay or not during times of your life. (If you were talking about homosexuality, use the right term for it.)

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I wonder if the PA Govenor thought this through, if not, why not?

Being able to get a liscence change in PA, is actually even worse!

Imagine a world where people who would exploit and take advantage of innocent people, or be legal perverts can by laws selectively plan to become a protected class!

Hmm, no problem with that, is there?

Black people are born a protected class. But "transgenders" can choose to be a protected class!

Anyone can NOW dress up and become a protected class! Yea!

That doesnt sound like a disaster, does it?

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Yes!

Sexual morality is the value an individuals places on their sexuality.

The higher the value of an individuals sexuality, the higher their standards of morality.

The lower the value of an individuals sexuality the lower their standards of morality.

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Broken down as smaller post

"sin is sin" argument.

Religion is a protected class, and should be!

Gays should not be a protected class, because hate against any group is equal hate!

Im a Christian, and I dont think tatoos are a sin. Others may, its their freedom to do so!

Born again religions, may not judge where or why a person has tattoos, and likely wouldn't judge their tattos. They may have a story to tell, let them!

A church i stepped into several years back in Philly while handing out food and blankets with my church group refused to let me use their bathroom because I am a woman and was wearing pants. They may believe differently and are strict about other things that other churches are not strict with. And it should be ok to believe either way, and I could care less about what they believe, thats their business, my beliefs are my business! Tolerance, live and let live.

I have a belly ring, and one of my favorite people in the world is my baby, youngest daughter, because she is sweet. She has a guage earing, and has had purple to teal hair since she was in jr high.

Wawa and Starbucks won't hire her, because visually she has an unnatural color hair. But, there are plenty of jobs that will. So she chooses to keep her crazy colors, and work where they dont have an issue with it!

Many churches dont think certain vices are sin, like smoking or social drinking. There are varying degrees of doctrines. Thats why religious freedom is so important!!!! Many sects if Christianity are evem loose on sexual preference, most I know are strict.

It is not up to people, or government, or courts to scruitinize anyone's beliefs Including gays who have religious beliefs that are inclusive of sexual orientaton, unless a real crime has been commited. Just like freedom of speech of every degree is protected!

Both speech and religious freedom are personal expression regarding what they think and believe about everything that matters to them!

Disabilities are not a choice and being black isnt a choice either, although honestly, America needs to head in a different direction where all people regardless of race, all are equaly protected, and NOT especially protected!

Protected classes should be represented of all groups of people and found in every race and culture! Such as disabilities, and religions, ages, and gender.

I' ll explain:

Religion because it effects all races, genders, classes, and found in every walk of life. Every religion from Christian to Muslim to Jews etc, and also religions that are permissive, and are inclusive of gay membership and leadership should have religious freedom. Does it mean we won' t bump into each other at times, but how about we behave politely and say excuse me! Or ok discussed agree to disagree! Isnt that what a "progressive" society is all about!

Disabilities protected because they need to compete according to the abilities they do have. And people with disabilities are present in every group.

Age, because they have to compete against younger candidates, and again age is a factor for every group so it is selective of none.

Women, because they need to compete equally against men who have different strengths, and women need to be able to compete according to their strengths, and not limited by the weaknesses they may present in a workplace, physically, or even regards to future pregnancies, birth, maternity leaves, sick kids, and other family responsibilities that could cause bias or expense of down time or added health insurance costs. Up till recently health insurances have been higher because of reproduction. An example are the nuns who recently fought cost of health insurance inclusive of reproductive ability. And they are abstinent, (except for some who change their mind and take directions leading out of the vocation)

The following groups of classes are across the board represented in every single group of race and culture. So American 1st!

America is multi cultural so every culture should be protected classes - American 1st, and white 2nd, italian 2nd, black 2nd, gay 2nd, married 2nd, single 2nd, economic class 2nd.

In every American group of people, there are equally specific groups who should be protection from discrimination.

Its reasonable, because it puts competing equal for all in every group. But it can't be given above religious freedom of all, or its selective group breeching separation of church and state because then it prohibits the free exercise of religion for all, except for 1 such as LGBT.

Sexual orientation should not be a protected class. it's a lifestyle, and sexual choice. Even if you believe it was genetic, every baby is born with the same option of choice, and genetic or not can choose it.

But in common every group has:

Disabled, Age, Gender, and Religion.

We as a society should have moved beyond the racial division to the next phase atleast 10 years ago. Not adding more divisions!!

There will always be bullies, for everyone, in every group.

Reverse discrimination is just as much a problem as discrimination!

Cartman(18191) Disputed
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Can you explain why the hatred that religion receives is so bad that they need to be protected?

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god sent gays to solve overpopulation.... that make enough sence?

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Some were born that way, while some choose a gay lifestyle.

Some Biologists now think that a hormonal wash of the fetus while still in the womb may be a factor in determining a pre birth sexual orientation.

That said, it is FAR more likely that Lesbos have chosen their sexual preferences. And with men it is more likely they were born that way.

Exceptions to this rule? Of course.

But by and large it is accurate.

Hence the popular term, Emotional Lesbians.

You never hear Emotional Gay Man, right?

LOL

Thanks!

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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"They think" "its possible" "maybe"

These are all words that say they are a guess, no matter how many "studies" they note. Their studies are BS propaganda

1 making an excuse then trying to formulate a law of science and

2 trying to validate it for others. " its not our choice, it is also natural" but NO its not!

Now Im not saying that there isnt a compulsion.

But then its a mental disorder. So it is mental disorder to depravity of unnatural choice.

And whatever degree, they are welcome to live their lifestyle of their choice!!

It comes from different a different start for each, from getting attention to abuse from environment to peer pressure !

But even if a mental disorder to choice. Thats a wide variety of originations to THROW onto our next generation!

And the Bernie gen and waco adults that think like them are too programmed to stop the train wreck.

I am so sad for their babies

In the largest twin study ever completed on the topic, geneticists found that only 10-13% of all homosexual identical twins had identical twin siblings (co-twins) who were also homosexuals. That means that more than 80% of all homosexual identical twins have heterosexual twin siblings.

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"They think" "its possible" "maybe"

These are all words that say they are a guess, no matter how many "studies" they note. Their studies are BS propaganda!

1 making an excuse then trying to formulate a law of science and

2 trying to validate it for others. saying" its not our choice, and it is also natural"

But its not!

Now, Im not saying that there isnt a compulsion. But whatever compulsion they decide as a lifestyle.

Then is it a mental disorder?

So then its everything from a mental disorder to depravity of unnatural sexual choice. But we dont normalize alcohol to our children, or gambling.

Why would you think exposing the mrxt generation to this extreme degree is reasonable?

And whatever degree, they are welcome to live their lifestyle of their choice!!

It comes from different a different start for each, from getting attention to abuse from environment to peer pressure !

But even if a mental disorder to choice. Thats a wide variety of originations to THROW onto our next generation!

And the Bernie gen and waco adults that think like them are too programmed to stop the train wreck.

I am so sad for their babies!!

In the largest twin study ever completed on the topic, geneticists found that only 10-13% of all homosexual identical twins had identical twin siblings (co-twins) who were also homosexuals. That means that more than 80% of all homosexual identical twins have heterosexual twin siblings.

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This one is factual. As factual as it gets!

LibProlifer(1681) Disputed 1 point

Fact: Gays and bisexuals do not choose to be that way.............

LibProlifer(1681) Disputed 1 point

Prove me wrong. The burden of proof is on you to prove that being gay is a choice.

LibProlifer(1681) Disputed 1 point

Yes or no: Can you prove without religion that homosexuality is a choice?

Me:

Right back at you!

Yes!!!!

Because you have 0 different anything. And anyone given the influence can and also does make the same choice.

Choice exists in everyone.

And since it does, and its proven, some LGBT do choose it.

And readily admit circumstances!

Which you all conveniently say "they are not real gays!"

Really please provide the factual data of these physical confirmations! Please??

Well, there is none!

No diff data exists between 1 who knows they chose it due to influence or trauma, and you who chose it for a different reason, which you say is by birth!

The only thing it proves , is different motivation! You chose it because of whatever reason, and you excuse by saying it was out of you ability to choose. No, not true. It may not have neen your choice to have been abused, and maybe not your choice that you had a difficult emotional crush! And maybe you have no control of it, like a gambler doesnt, or an alchoholic doesnt.

And maybe your perfectly happy and fine with your choice, and no fight inside. Great, enjoy!

But we will fight and say NO to your equal presence in our kids lives!,

You all are welcome to marry, and if allowed adopt kids who otherwise would have no one!

We dont hate you or dislike you, we simply dont want you all to be our next generations role models!

Make sense?

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I really would love to see LadyMinxFart weigh in on this debate.

Especially on my earlier post about how I think that many Lesbians are what they call Emotional Lesbians. That is, due to a bad past experiences with men they simply chose to have sex with females from no on.

And that there's a much higher percent of these emotional gay women than there is of men who are gay. That is....gay men are more apt to have been born gay than are Lesbians.

Sure, there are some Lesbos who were born that way. Too much testosterone while in the womb, perhaps. But there is still a good amount of them who were originally of hetero Inclination.

I doubt she will opine, however, as she Almost never speaks of gay issues. Yet she claims they are her favorite debates!

Weird, huh?

Thanks!

LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
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"I really would love to see LadyMinxFart weigh in on this debate."

LadyMinxFart... Nice. If you wanted me to reply so bad why didn't you just pm me ?

"I doubt she will opine, however, as she Almost never speaks of gay issues. Yet she claims they are her favorite debates!"

I said that they are fun to read. Watching Christians go ballistic is amazing ! You are right ! I am not going to go against you because I learned that replying to debates is pointless. My point will not get across to said person I am debating with and there point went get through to me.

So yeah. I know when to pick and choose my battles and debates like these are the ones I usually do not reply to.

"Weird, huh?"

Nope. :3

KNHav(1957) Disputed
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Is it fundamentaly right or wrong to disrespect or file charges against a person for exercising their religious freedom in their lives and in their business according to their personal convictions and beliefs by refusing to contract wedding services that go against their religion regarding sexual morality?