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If he knew he was going to die if he did that than he committed suicide just like a person know if he shoots himself he is going to die and by that he committed suicide.
Suicide by cop? I think they cop just wants to kill you. Not necessarily suicide. You can have assisted suicide if you pay a friend to kill you. If you run into a military base talking about terrorism then you may be shot on site. Suicide? No. You got killed. They executed Jesus. He was left to die on the cross. That was the intent of the punisher (Pilate).
It is a term used when someone intentionally gets into a shootout with police in order for the police to kill them.
You can have assisted suicide if you pay a friend to kill you.
This is not consistent with your thought process. Is it that you directly told someone to kill you?
If you run into a military base talking about terrorism then you may be shot on site. Suicide? No. You got killed.
Ok, this part is like what Jesus did.
They executed Jesus. He was left to die on the cross. That was the intent of the punisher (Pilate).
But, Jesus used this to claim He was sacrificing Himself. Claiming you are a sacrifice sort of cancels out the idea that it is punishment. For every human that was left on the cross, they were left to die and were executed. Jesus is different than other humans.
It is a term used when someone intentionally gets into a shootout with police in order for the police to kill them.
Thanks, I figured it out though.
This is not consistent with your thought process.
You don't know what I think. You just see words on the screen. I could be playing devil's advocate and you wouldn't know it. You don't know my thought processes.
Ok, this part is like what Jesus did.
No, he preached and some people didn't like it and sentenced him to death. The two aren't similar.
But, Jesus used this to claim He was sacrificing Himself. Claiming you are a sacrifice sort of cancels out the idea that it is punishment.
Are you saying that I cannot offer myself as tribite in place of a convicted person? I believes it's possible somewhere.
For every human that was left on the cross, they were left to die and were executed. Jesus is different than other humans.
Jesus was executed and left to die on the cross......
You don't know what I think. You just see words on the screen. I could be playing devil's advocate and you wouldn't know it. You don't know my thought processes.
You say if someone kills you it isn't suicide, and if someone kills you it is suicide. Regardless of how you actually feel, you are being inconsistent.
No, he preached and some people didn't like it and sentenced him to death. The two aren't similar.
You are the one who brought it up. You can't yell at me for saying it is similar, I didn't introduce the idea. Jesus did something to get himself killed, so according to you it isn't suicide. That's all I was trying to establish.
Are you saying that I cannot offer myself as tribite in place of a convicted person? I believes it's possible somewhere.
Sure, but it seems weird to me that He can claim He was sacrificing Himself and also be considered as being punished. He didn't take anyones place, He was punished for the stuff He did. What I was saying though was that since Jesus has the ability to know everything that happens He needs to be considered separately from humans because He isn't human. I am only trying to determine if what Jesus did could be considered suicide. I was only asking questions.
Jesus was executed and left to die on the cross......
It seems weird that this can be considered a sacrifice as well as a punishment.
You: "It is a term used when someone intentionally gets into a shootout with police in order for the police to kill them."
Now when you said this I was puzzled because I had previously said the following.
Me: "Suicide by cop? I think the cop just wants to kill you."
That is indication that the cop only wanted to kill you. Which follow my point that it's not suicide if done in this manner.
You say if someone kills you it isn't suicide, and if someone kills you it is suicide. Regardless of how you actually feel, you are being inconsistent.
Mmmmm not quite. I did say that of someone else kills you it's not suicide, but there is such a thing as assisted suicide. That's when a person assist you in killing yourself. Anyways, you still don't know my thought processes. Regardless of how "inconsistent" I could be.
You are the one who brought it up. You can't yell at me for saying it is similar, I didn't introduce the idea. Jesus did something to get himself killed, so according to you it isn't suicide. That's all I was trying to establish.
Nobody is yelling. My text doesn't emit any sounds at all (unless you have hearing problems i.e. deaf). Anyways, Jesus didn't commit suicide.
Sure, but it seems weird to me that He can claim He was sacrificing Himself and also be considered as being punished.
He knew it was going to happen. What if what he knows will happen cannot be changed?
He didn't take anyones place, He was punished for the stuff He did. What I was saying though was that since Jesus has the ability to know everything that happens He needs to be considered separately from humans because He isn't human. I am only trying to determine if what Jesus did could be considered suicide. I was only asking questions.
It most certainly could and I'm sure it's debatable, but to me he didn't commit suicide. I see where you're going with the non-human thing, but what would we call him? Demi-god?
It seems weird that this can be considered a sacrifice as well as a punishment.
Remember you can be a tribute/sacrifice and undertake a punishment at the same time.
"I volunteer as tribute." - Katniss Everdean, The Hunger Games
You: "It is a term used when someone intentionally gets into a shootout with police in order for the police to kill them."
Now when you said this I was puzzled because I had previously said the following.
Me: "Suicide by cop? I think the cop just wants to kill you."
That is indication that the cop only wanted to kill you. Which follow my point that it's not suicide if done in this manner.
This actually indicates you understand the term less than you did in the previous post. The cops don't want to kill you. The cops are forced to kill you out of their own self defense. The person attacks a cop in an attempt to get the cop to kill them.
Mmmmm not quite. I did say that of someone else kills you it's not suicide, but there is such a thing as assisted suicide. That's when a person assist you in killing yourself. Anyways, you still don't know my thought processes. Regardless of how "inconsistent" I could be.
Mmmmm, quite. You gave one instance of getting killed that is suicide, and one instance of getting killed that is not suicide. I am trying to figure out what makes one suicide in your opinion. And, I can't see your thought processes because that would involve actual thinking on your part.
Nobody is yelling. My text doesn't emit any sounds at all (unless you have hearing problems i.e. deaf). Anyways, Jesus didn't commit suicide.
You are the one who said He did, not me.
He knew it was going to happen. What if what he knows will happen cannot be changed?
He is God. I am pointing out that the situation is different because He is God.
It most certainly could and I'm sure it's debatable, but to me he didn't commit suicide. I see where you're going with the non-human thing, but what would we call him? Demi-god?
You keep saying Jesus didn't commit suicide, but when I try to get similarities with other people who refuse to draw connections. It seems like you aren't thinking critically at all.
Remember you can be a tribute/sacrifice and undertake a punishment at the same time.
"I volunteer as tribute." - Katniss Everdean, The Hunger Games
Ok, I see what you are saying, but in Jesus' case He was the one selected. It would be like Katniss volunteering after she had already been picked randomly.
This actually indicates you understand the term less than you did in the previous post. The cops don't want to kill you. The cops are forced to kill you out of their own self defense. The person attacks a cop in an attempt to get the cop to kill them.
That indication is the most inaccurate thing I've ever heard. Now your just spewing bullshit. I clearly gave indication of understanding. Don't try to twist it. Don't try to explain what I post.
Mmmmm, quite. You gave one instance of getting killed that is suicide, and one instance of getting killed that is not suicide. I am trying to figure out what makes one suicide in your opinion. And, I can't see your thought processes because that would involve actual thinking on your part.
Mmmmm no. No. You still don't understand. This is why I dislike you.
You are the one who said He did, not me.
When did I say he did?
He is God. I am pointing out that the situation is different because He is God.
So? How is this suicide?
You keep saying Jesus didn't commit suicide, but when I try to get similarities with other people who refuse to draw connections. It seems like you aren't thinking critically at all.
I already explained it to you. You start straying off and bring up all these random things. You aren't directing your attention towards the argument.
Ok, I see what you are saying, but in Jesus' case He was the one selected. It would be like Katniss volunteering after she had already been picked randomly.
Wtf? Do you not understand the point I was trying to make? You can be a sacrifice and still be punished.
That indication is the most inaccurate thing I've ever heard. Now your just spewing bullshit. I clearly gave indication of understanding. Don't try to twist it. Don't try to explain what I post.
See? You don't understand. I didn't explain what you posted, I explained what suicide by cop is.
Mmmmm no. No. You still don't understand. This is why I dislike you.
Yes, I don't understand because you won't tell me what you are thinking. In fact, you pride yourself on not telling me what you are thinking. What about assisted suicide makes it suicide? If you answer this question I can attempt to explain the other stuff you asked.
Wtf? Do you not understand the point I was trying to make? You can be a sacrifice and still be punished.
When I said "Ok, I see what you are saying" I was telling you I understand how you can be both things. If you are already set to be punished, it is difficult to sacrifice yourself. Can someone who is on death row sacrifice themselves?
Well, it was hostile. In the future it doesn't help to repeat mean phrases. You repeated "they killed you" in a way that was unnecessary. Plus, you responded to an argument that you had already responded to and provided no knew insight. Most people do that to show aggression when they feel their point is being ignored. Hope that helps you understand your inner hostility.
Jesus is not human. Those rules don't apply to Him. He claims His death on the cross is a sacrifice which means that He put Himself on the cross through His actions. Make sense?
A pronoun would be really helpful here. How the hell am I supposed to know who you are talking about?
Are you saying can do whatever he want like sex with anything or killing himself how ever as many times he want or kill who ever for any reason.
I have no clue what you are talking about. This doesn't follow at all from what I posted.
Jesus is God. He knows things that any human in His position wouldn't know. He knew exactly what He needed to do to get Himself put on the cross. Plus, He used that to satisfy human sin which means He planned on it. What the heck are you talking about?
If God did it it was for reasons that aren't sinful. Thus, not evil. That doesn't mean He can't do the things you talked about. JC said no one kills themself on a cross, but Jesus isn't anyone, so that idea does not apply to Him. I made no mention of whether it was a sin or not. You took it one step too far.
If someone was to obey him there whole life than they should be able to choose how there have should be able to choose how there heaven is, example someone wants to feel like there have is reality.
If God can do anything than he could give us a place in power were they can make some rules or be apart of the family.
God is the supernatural being that created the entire universe. God is special.
If someone was to obey him there whole life than they should be able to choose how there have should be able to choose how there heaven is, example someone wants to feel like there have is reality.
Yeah, but that person still wouldn't be on the same level as Jesus.
If God can do anything than he could give us a place in power were they can make some rules or be apart of the family.
I can make up a bunch of things that God would do, but that doesn't mean God would do them.
If I was God I could do the same thing. This also is not special because that gives him all the power to do whatever. God has done evil by making souls that have to go though this entirety with him and not just that he has to make stupid rules and give people feelings that would cause sin like gay feelings.
This wouldn't put them on any level with God but it will let theem live how they want in there heaven.
This also is not special because that gives him all the power to do whatever.
Having all the power to do whatever makes Him special.
God has done evil by making souls that have to go though this entirety with him and not just that he has to make stupid rules and give people feelings that would cause sin like gay feelings.
Unfortunately, that isn't relevant to this discussion.
This wouldn't put them on any level with God but it will let theem live how they want in there heaven.
So, God would be special then.
But we can still work with God in his Kingdom.
Just because you work with Him doesn't make Him not special.
Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.
He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.
It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.
God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.
If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.
But he did not rescue anybody. The only thing he did was show people that they have to follow his rules or be burned alive forever. God could have really just made nothing a sin or just have came out of the shy and called all with his voice and said I'm God I will drop a book in your hands so you can read bye.
You completely misunderstand. Jesus didn't come to just show us a bunch of rules to follow. We are incapable of following the rules. We are incapable of being "good enough" to get into heaven. Jesus atoned for our sins through his sacrifice. He showed all of us that he will forgive us if we just trust in him and follow him.
Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.
He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.
It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.
God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.
If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.
Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.
He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.
It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.
God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.
If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.
Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.
He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.
It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.
God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.
If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.
Jesus didn't commit suicide. He knew that He had to die for our sins and it wasn't really suicide because people killed him and He didn't really kill himself.
Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.
He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.
It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.
God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.
If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.
(A) This motion says "God", not "Jesus". Why the heck is everyone looking at it from the viewpoint of Christianity? I think collectively most religions, if not all, believe in the concept of souls being immortal. Death, therefore, is not really the end of a soul: it is only one soul exiting the body. And therefore, that makes any divine spirit (the concept of God, in this case) immortal. No death, no need for suicide.
(B) Jesus resurrected himself. The message was simple: divinity cannot be destroyed. God will always be with us no matter what. If you would call Jesus' actions "suicide", then sadly you don't get the point of Jesus doing what he did.
Anybody would do what he did and would have done it much better too.
If I was God I would do it two times over than change the rules of sin because his rules are really stupid. I would not burn someone in hell forever because that teaches them nothing.
Why is it dumb to say that the Jews went though much worse. If someone walked on fire and would die to save people from stupid sin would that be suicide.
Anyone who sacrifices themselves in defense of others is hardly ever considered guilty of suicide. If a firefighter runs into a burning building, he isn't suicidal. A soldier who falls on a hand grenade to save his buddies is not considered to have committed suicide. Jesus allowed himself to be killed to save us from eternal damnation. In addition, he may have known he was going to die, he also knew he was going to be resurrected in three days.
Why did he have to be killed for it than there was no reason for it and the message could have been seat many other ways that would have been the same or better.
He did not leave anything to prove for the next people that were born if he want us to believe so much than he could have made it more believable.
It would not enter fear with peoples free will at all it will just give people the informed that he is real than we than can choose to obey or not. I have not sin in my whole life had it's one of my goals to never sin.
God has done wrong for giving a punishment that does not fit the crime and also I am sure God has sin in other ways before.
If God was always there before anybody who is there to say that he didn't do any sin? I am for one want to meet God and talk to him about his choices.
I don't believe in God, and I pointed out how his "sacrifice" is not too impressive. Sounds like you have similar feelings, so why are you disputing me?
