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Islamaphobia, or anti-muslim sentiment is extremely prominant, and extremely accepted in society. Even though terrorist groups and actions have been done by isolated people, the country has united against the billion+ people who are members of the religon. So much so, that the republican party fought to show Obama as a Muslim, as if that discredited him as a presidential canidate. 

This protester, and many others sharing those sentiments often put up signs like this.

What can/should be done about this, or anything? Or what is your opinion on Islamaphobia in general? Some argue that islamaphobia is the most accepted form of discrimination in the United States. Do you agree?
 

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4 points

There have been and most likely will be terrorists, extremists and militants who though in the minority will create the most animosity.

I believe that there will be many moderate Muslims around the world who are just as outraged as non-muslims at what is happening within Islamic countries.

It is difficult to see where this will end.

Shia and Sunni need to resolve their issues if not then there will always be a struggle between them.

Islamophobia does not help the majority of moderate muslims who are equally appalled by what the minority of radical muslims are doing

3 points

I hate all religions with a passion! but this religion is the worst one of them all.

This religion has no place in the modern world.

I want someone to show me or tell me what good has this religion brought to this world, its an oppressive and barbaric religion forged in a time where these values were common places! this religion breeds extremism at an alarming rate, were told its only a minority who interpret Islam in this way, yet Islamic extremist is a world wide problem hardly a minority!

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I am a Christian, but I agree even though I reach a different conclusion. I prefer to reform my religion instead of leaving it.

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Islam needs to bring Islam into the modern world, where acts of backward violence are no longer part of religion. Where women are not stoned to death in the streets, for religion. Where its possible to change everything.

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I fully agree with this. If Islam was more modern there would not be so much hate toward them.

They've come directly from the sun-baked deserts of Arabia,so you can guess why they are so ruthless,merciless and horrific.Women in their society are non-existent and neglected.Men,religious craps dominate their society and culture.

4 points

Islam comes from the exact same part of the world as Christianity, Judaism and the birth of civilization, so you might want to rethink that sentiment.

If Islam where modernised it would no longer be Islam. It is backwards by nature.

daver(1771) Clarified
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If any religion is seen as a social construct, then it evolves to stay on step with evolving enlightened societies. The middle east is socially centuries behind western culture, so that Islam still fits.

2 points

Judging a group comprised of millions of people based on a few, albeit horrifying events is obviously the ignorant and uninformed way to deal with a real issue. Terrorism is a problem, but Islamaphobia is not the solution.

I have to point out, though, that Islamaphobists are similar to the radical minority of violent terrorists in their ignorant stance, but differ greatly in that they don't actually go around killing innocent people to prove their point.

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There's nothing more to know other than that the Muslims are bull-headed and least deserving of any tolerance;Recognized as the most violent religion,heavy punishment must be brought upon them.Their brotherhood is corrupted,barbaric deserving a place in the hell;Their monotheism brings forth a wrong idea.

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What are you basing this belief off of? Terrorist groups? The actions of the few do not represent the actions of many. What suggests that they are corrupt? Just trying to understand your point of view.

Also, if you argue that their monotheism is a problem, do you make the same argument against all monotheistic religions, such as Christianity? Because Christianity also has taken part in equally horrible acts that Muslim groups have. Except Christians are usually white. Is that the difference?

2 points

Islamaphobia is as bad as any other kind of intolerance be it racism, sexism, Homophobia or whatever, if you judge someone and discriminate against them purely because of their religious beliefs then you are a bigot. I judge people on their actions and deeds not their beliefs, race sexuality, sex or whatnot.

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The one problem is what Eccentric points out is that their religious beliefs involve being bigots. Is it ok to discriminate against the bigots of the religion?

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No, as discrimination of the religion would be claiming that all Muslims are bad because some perform acts of bigotry. What is not discrimination is disagreeing with their bigotry through isolated cases. But I mean, think about it. Christianity advocates tons of shit we disagree with. Does that mean all Christians should be discriminated against?

Disagreement of individual cases and discriminating against a group are different things. 'Discriminating against the bigots' isn't really discrimination, because it has specific reason.

Every single one of them worships a paedophile so I couldn't care less about them being mistreated. Muslims are discriminating people themselves especially to my kind. 25% of homophobic hate crimes in the UK are committed by them despite a much lower percentage of the population being Muslim.

GenericName(3430) Clarified
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Out of curiosity, do you have a citation for that? It sounded a bit much so I tried to look it up, and only found one reference to it on "wikiislam", a rather biased source, that does not provide a citation for the claim.

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I was referring to WikiIslam. But even still according to the Guardian 100% of 500 Muslims in a poll said they disagreed with homosexuality which still shows they are homophobic it's still common knowledge of what goes on in the Middle East towards us.

Atrag(5550) Disputed
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Every single one of them worships a paedophile so I couldn't care less about them being mistreated.

Mohammed lived in a time in which pedophilia was acceptable. It is arguable whether such practices are damaging or not in a society in which there is no stigma. As repulsive as it seems now.

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He still was a pervert for wanting to do stuff with a little girl. Muslims have no right to criticise gay sexual practices when theirs is the lowest of all.

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Can't blame people for detesting the Islamic disease which causes so much death and misery in every country which they infest. From Australia to the U.S.A, and Canada. France, the U.K, along with most of the European nations which foolishly opened the doors to the low lives who are now in a constant state of either committing acts of terrorism or plotting to do so. The billions of dollars which most western nations have to spend in counter Islamic measures to keep their citizens safe is a significant drain on their economies and ties up resources which would be used for the welfare of their people. Ship the filth back to the 'tip head' countries of their ethnic origins and keep out of all things Muslim. East is East and West is West and never the t'wain shall meet.

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The beliefs and extremist actions of a few do not constitute the hatred of a whole.

Jace(5052) Clarified
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By "constitute" do you mean "justify"?

pirateelfdog(2655) Clarified
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I think he means "represent." The actions of a few radicals in a group don't represent everyone.

pakicetus(1455) Disputed
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The whole/majority isn't exactly politically neutral: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

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Islamaphobia, or anti-muslim sentiment is extremely prominant, and extremely accepted in society.

Which society? What constitutes as "extremely accepted"? Most people whom I've seen display anti-Islamic sentiment are labeled as "racist", or "Islamophobic".

Even though terrorist groups and actions have been done by isolated people, the country has united against the billion+ people who are members of the religon.

To start off, while terrorists themselves are a tiny minority, many Muslims worldwide aren't exactly hippy dippy lovelies themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg

So much so, that the republican party fought to show Obama as a Muslim, as if that discredited him as a presidential canidate.

No. Certain Republicans/right-wingers accused Obama of being a Muslim. I don't recall the Republican Part officially espousing this belief at any point in time (although I wouldn't be surprised if they were involved in the birther controversy.)

What can/should be done about this, or anything?

Learn to differentiate between blind paranoia and criticism of a religion, for one. Dismissing it all as "Islamophobia" (like oh so many do) doesn't help in the slightest.

Or what is your opinion on Islamaphobia in general?

I don't know. What are we considering "Islamophobia" here?

Some argue that islamaphobia is the most accepted form of discrimination in the United States. Do you agree?

Not in the mainstream media. Dunno about elsewhere, you'll have to be more specific.

1) Deignorization - more information about Islam to people who are unfamiliar, and more information about non-Muslims, the west, etc. to Muslims. Much of Sharia is supported by the old testament which Jews and Christians believe. Exposure to the internet, to the modern world, etc. - at first the modern world seems strange and likely distasteful, but once they get past the superficial layer, they can see that people are largely the same wherever.

2) Dereligifying - exposure to science, alternative methods of human emergence, perpetual doubt, etc.

3) Less visible presence of western military in the middle east.

4) Opportunity - bottom-up (following Maslow's hierarchy) achievement - and development (and recognition) of interdependent relationships

- Long term - de-tribalize: "they" aren't the problem; they is the problem!