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Debate Score:136
Arguments:113
Total Votes:154
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Do People Really Deserve To Go To Hell (Christian Version of Hell)

Think about it, the bible stated that hell is place that'll cause neverending damnation and punishment for those inside of it, but really now, the average years of human's life are 75 years, what can a human do in 75 years that'll cause a neverending damnation for him/her, forever is a long, LONG, time after all....

 

P.S : Sorry if my english is not good, or if there are any wrong spellings or words usage, English is not my native language ^^

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Side Score: 62
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No

Side Score: 74
2 points

As much as I dislike the very concept of Hell, judging from the world and the actions of most humanity I am inclined to agree that we do deserve every bit of misery that can be slung upon us, save perhaps for children or those disabled mentally from birth... but then I'm talking about adults here, so that really didn't need that much explaining I suppose. Oh and before anyone gets on their high horse, I'm an adult. Put two and two together, thanks.

As for those asking me 'why' I feel this way, I don't really need to explain it. You only need to open your eyes to the world around you to understand, assuming you even want to.

Side: Yes
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
2 points

we do deserve every bit of misery that can be slung upon us

What the fuck is wrong with you

Side: No
lupusFati(790) Disputed
0 points

Seems you didn't read the entire thing. A pity, really. But entirely expected.

Side: Yes
lupusFati(790) Clarified
1 point

That is, the adult who's intellect is not impaired in any way and can understand the difference between right and wrong. But that would have taken too long to put in there, so it's here.

Side: Yes
1 point

Some people like mass murderers, rapeists, child molesters, serial killers, genocidists like Hitler, Mio, Che, ide amein, Stalin, ect. Defently deserve to.

Side: Yes
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
5 points

infinite punishment for a finite crime? You sure got a loving god there.

Side: No
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Those crimes aren't finite they have life long psychological effects on the victims and their family's their torment is often lifelong.

Side: Yes
1 point

Oh Yes! Yes Cuaroc Yes!

Side: No
1 point

They made an eternal choice. Thats the point. That doesnt change justice in Gods sense.

Side: Yes
Atrag(5524) Disputed
2 points

Why are child molesters and rapists on the same level as mass murders?

Side: No
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

Because their crimes are so heinous that they are on par with murder for wickedness even if they don't do as much physical damage to the victim. Just my opinion.

Side: Yes
Sitara(11088) Disputed
-2 points
Jace(4757) Disputed
1 point

This assumes free will, does it not? All of the above individuals and categories of people are direct consequences of their genetic and biological predispositions as triggered by environmental stimuli. Is it truly justifiable to penalize/reward an individual based on factors they did not choose nor control?

Further, the penalizing/rewarding of the individual through hell/heaven ignores the role of the collective (society) in both individual action and collective behavior (e.g. genocide).

Side: No
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

So you subscribe to the belief that all crime is attributed to genetic factors and we aren't responsible for our wrong doings? Well I suppose that should apply both ways then how dose it feel knowing you have never actually accomplished anything in your life?

Side: Yes
Elvira(3447) Clarified
1 point

Have you ever made an effort to understand these people? I don't think anyone deserves eternal punishment, there is nothing you can do that warrants that.

Side: Yes
warrior(1854) Clarified
1 point

God seems to think differently and he can understand things we mortals can't even fathom. In short he's God don't question him.

Side: Yes
1 point

Heaven is the greatest place you could ever go to! Murders, rapists, cereal killers, atheists, etc don't deserve to be in gods kingdom. You have to work hard on earth to get into heaven so not everyone should just get the easily ride out and get to go in.

Side: Yes
Jace(4757) Disputed
5 points

1. Wow. You really went there. Atheists really go on the same list as murderers, rapists, and serial killers? Reality check. There are atheists who work just as hard (or more so) and are far more christian in their conduct than actual Christians. But whatever, they're clearly terrible people who deserve an eternity of hellfire. Makes total sense.

2. Your stance rather assumes free will, without actually providing any reason to believe it exists. The groups of individuals whom you mentioned did not choose to be the way they are, but are products of their genetic/biological predispositions and environmental conditioning (same as you).

Side: No
Sitara(11088) Clarified
1 point

Hey babe, just bitch him out and ignore him. .

Side: Yes
Sitara(11088) Disputed
1 point

Atheists are not like rapists, you arrogant prick! .

Side: No
3 points

Actually according to the bible they are on the same plane. Just like liars or shoplifters.

Side: Yes
Atrag(5524) Disputed
1 point

A lot of people that go to heaven are rapists, murders and corn killers. To God we are all sinners but if you kiss Jesus' arse one in a while you'll be saved. Its not about working hard at all.

Side: No
2 points

I have to disagree with this.

1) The Second Coming has not come yet so we arent in heaven yet. Most people that go to heaven probably are not going to be rapists.

2) It isnt about kiss up to Jesus. If that is your mind set you cant be saved. It doesnt work like that.

Side: Yes
trumpet_guy(502) Clarified
1 point

Heaven is the greatest place you could ever go to!

True

Murders, rapists, cereal killers, atheists, etc don't deserve to be in gods kingdom

False, if they are forgiven by God through salvation they get in. Example the person that was on the cross alongside Jesus.

You have to work hard on earth to get into heaven so not everyone should just get the easily ride out and get to go in.

False, salvation is based on faith in Christ. This is faith is suppossed to be followed by works to prove it but entrance into heaven is not based upon works.

Side: Yes
1 point

some yes, are you telling me that osama deserve to go to heaven?

Side: Yes

Absolutely. We have broken the laws of a Holy righteous God, and to be just he must punish sin eternally.

Side: Yes

no one deserves it, but its not an eternity, its more like 50 years or something, until satan is thrown into the lake of fire

not that long

Side: No
3 points

An I had was that for murderers they get eternally tortured for a number of years of life that they robbed their victims of and after that they just cease to exist.

Side: No
1 point

well ceasing to exist defies the laws of physics, I mean lets at least be realistic here

Side: Yes
1 point

I agree, since when was eternal punishment acceptable for a terminable crime?

Side: No

No, nothing could possibly deserve what christians make hell out to be. I mean sure people deserve to be punished like rapists and slave owners...well, actually not rapists as long as they marry the girl after right? and as long as the slaves come from the lands around them and are only beaten within an inch of their lives and not to death theyre okay too...hmm...murderers i suppose. Yeah but even then they only deserve hell for what? 50 years? I mean sure itd be jail for life but this isnt jail, this is a lake of fire with demons in it, i think we can lower the sentance length. Hell in itself is pointless. Jail is at least called "Corrections" as in, we correct criminal behavior and then put them back in society rehabilitated or at least try to. Hell is just an endless punishment for a finite crime. that makes no sense.

Side: No
teddygamer(7) Disputed
1 point

...Why would you want to marry someone who rapes you? And you justify human abuse...?

Side: Yes
Gokumohan(335) Clarified
3 points

He is referencing the deuteronomy/levictus/exodus laws that follow:

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Side: Yes
1 point

Assuming heaven and hell even exist, they constitute an inherently unjustifiable system of penalty and reward. Human behavior is a consequence of biological/genetic predispositions as they are affected by environmental stimuli and experience. Individual failing is a reflection upon the failure of society to recognize the fallibility of human nature and respond accordingly.

Side: No
1 point

How could you deserve to go to the place that isn't in a first place?

Side: No
1 point

What if it does exist? Are you 100% certain about that?

Side: Yes
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

Yes I can be sure. There is no empirical proof of anything like that. Christian's hell was mentioned only in one very questionable book and that makes it equally real as Narnia.

Side: No
1 point

not in my opinion. I firmly disagree with God's decision to create and allow evil, pain, and suffering.

Side: No
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
2 points

So you don't think the God of the Bible is just?

Side: Yes
Atrag(5524) Disputed
1 point

Because you feel you know better than God?

Side: Yes
Sitara(11088) Disputed
1 point

I have the right to my belief. .

Side: No
1 point

I think it's a shitty way to punish someone who doesn't believe in him. That's like me brutally torturing someone who doesn't believe I'm an astronaut, when I really am.

Side: No
1 point

No. Not even my worst enemy on here deserves that. .

Side: No

There is no Hell. Hell only exists in horror movies. It would be best if people never doted on such a place.

Side: No