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Yes I Do And I Know Some I'm Not Covinced It Exists
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Do You Believe In Bi-Sexuality?

The issue of bi-sexuality has long been one that has been fought by Heterosexuals and Homosexuals alike.  I say it depends on your definition of Bi-Sexuality.  As a gay person, here is my own.

Fundamentally all people are Bi-Sexual which is evidenced in threesomes.  If each of us threw off the mantle of right and wrong and saw sex purely as a pleasure we could all do it.  In order to be a TRUE Bi-Sexual, one must have no bias toward one and the other, be able to be happy with either sex and live with one or the other for the rest of your life.  In my belief system, Bi-sexual encounters do not count for anything.  Which definition is truest to you?  Does mine suffice or are your thoughts different than my own.  Please try not to be flippant and brush this off as fluff for it is a serious subject matter.

Yes I Do And I Know Some

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Of course. I myself am what people who just need to give titles to everybody would call bisexual.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

That was a big leap Tony.....thanks for doing that! Chris

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

-------------------------No problem. Thanks for bringing up this debate!!

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

Of course. I myself am what people who just need to give titles to everybody would call bisexual.

Well said, it takes courage to do that :-)

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
4 points

One of my friends is what you would call bisexual. He told me about it a couple years ago and I have seen him with guys and girls over the years. Therefore I must assume he isn't a liar about his sexual preferences. It also should not matter at all, and it harms my friendship with him not even in the least.

Though I am not gay I still have those thoughts. I think it is pretty tough to find someone that is 100% gay straight or bi. Don't judge because chances are you got a bit of gayness in you. (-.(-.-).-)

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
3 points

I agree with Kuklapolitan. I believe people are naturally bisexual, as I think all societies without the taboo practiced it. For most of them, there were no words for sexual orientation; people were just people. Personally I identify as bisexual, leaning towards heterosexual. Most sexual psychologists say true heterosexuality and true homosexuality are rare indeed, as is true bisexuality.

Just keep an open mind, try it if you can. It'll help us deal a tiny bit with overpopulation. ;)

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
2 points

I'm sure it's possible, although I don't know anybody who is. The only problem I can see is that fact that most people are either fully interested in one sex or at least have a preference toward one or the other. I don't think there are too many people who are equally interested in men and women, exactly 50% each.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

A bi-sexual is a person that sticks his hand down someone's pants and is happy at whatever he finds ;)

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

Lol that is good, that is damned good JC

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Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

IMHO, The problem doesn't lie in the belief of bisexuality.

The problem lies in one's definition/interpretation of bisexuality.

If a common ground cannot be met between two parties on the said definition than an effective discussion cannot take place.

The most common definition is:

1. the ability/desire to have sex with either gender, excluding a relationship

This is based on attraction only.

The least common definition is:

2. the ability/desire to have a relationship with either gender, with sex being just one component of that relationship. This is based on attraction and an emotional bond.

Couple that with the varying degrees of bisexuality as well. Do they lean more towards one, or the other, or is it equal? Both definitions and degrees exist in and out of the bisexual community.

The struggle for some bisexuals is the struggle in defining what bisexuality means for them. Do they side with Def 1 or Def 2? And to what degree?

Our problem is found in the labels themselves be it bisexual, gay or straight. Here's why. When someone asks someone else "Are you gay, straight or bisexual?", they're not asking them about the emotional side of a relationship. What they are really asking is "HOW do you like your sex?" The next time someone asks you about your or someone's sexuality, ask them "What do you mean by gay, straight or bisexual?" After their confused look, you'll see my point. Press them nevertheless. Have them define gay, straight or bisexual. You'll see it more often than not that it will be about the sex rather than the relationship.

You can certainly have an opinion about bisexuality but if you have never experienced it, and not saying you have to go out and try it, then how can you honestly speak for someone who claims to be bisexual? You simply can't. You can only offer and project your own heterosexual experience. Just like someone can't experience heterosexuality if they claim to be gay, lesbian or bisexual.

You'll also find that many bisexuals DO pick a side when it comes to a relationship. They'll find themselves with the same sex or another. The problem there is once a side is chosen, they are immediately placed in the hetero or gay category and the issue of bisexuality, to the people around them is not questioned. (There are also those who engage in relationships with a person of their own sex and that of another. A triangle so to speak.)

The main problem bisexuals face is the presumption that its all about sex and nothing else. It's tough because "sex" is in the word itself. To a degree, the same goes for "gay" and "lesbian". (See above on "HOW do you like your sex?") But, its not so much the case for the term "heterosexual".

The facts are this: gay, straight, bisexual, lesbian relationships all have sexual components to them and for some, its all about sex. We can find examples in every category, gay, straight or lesbian where sexual promiscuity runs amuck. One category does not have the monopoly on that issue.

So what's the answer?

Do away with the labels. Focus on the inidivdual as a person, as an individual, as a human being, NOT AS A CATEGORY. CHARACTER BEFORE CATEGORY.

Ask yourself, "What is this person's character?"

If you put character ahead of category, you'll stand a much better chance of having a relationship with that person, even if its just a friend.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

You are way off base in this debate. Who are you, or more to the point, whom do we know you as?

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists
bisexualmale(6) Disputed
1 point

Forgive me if I seem off base but you asked:

"Which definition is truest to you?

Does mine suffice or are your thoughts different than my own."

I was offering my own definiton(s) and thoughts.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

Yes my friend is married (F/M couple) but she likes girls. She also wants/tries to be monogamous. Try to figure that out. I also know a gay guy who doesn't know yet or knows and is trying and failing to hide it. He is in his mid twenties and prefers not to be alone & unsupervised with a woman (it's a nutty church thing). He might like girls too but so repressed that if one kissed him, he'd trip over his bottom jaw.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

These are the two largest problems with people claiming to be Bi-Sexual, im2nic2. It would take a conference for us to go through all this but you're not going nuts.....they are!

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

Bi-sexuality is as real as being straight or gay. My thinking is why is it so hard for people to believe? Why does it have to mean that you are confused about your sexuality? OK their are people who like only men or only women, and there are people who like both. I mean you can love guys until the day but lets say you met Rhianna for instance and liked her. You would not go gay for her you would just like her as well. Like an add-on. Besides some people would rather love a person for who they are and not just for what they have down there.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

I myself am what the author of this debate question would call a TRUE bi-sexual. I have had sexual encounters with both sexes but this is not what I base my reasoning on. From a young age I have noticed both genders in the same way that a straight person would notice the opposite gender. I don't have any preference between the two and I would be content settling down with either as long as I loved the person whole-heartedly and was ready for a commitment. The only things that might restrict me are that I haven't come out to certain people such as my parents.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

Billie Joe Armstrong (lead singer of Green Day) has said "I believe evryone is born a little bit bisexual, it's just we have it hammered out by taboo and conformity" Or something like that, I can't remember the exact words, but for anyone who didn't get that, the human race is probably naturally bi, it's just people seem to think it's "wrong"... Plus, bi people get hate from straight people and homoexuals, mainly because the "pick a side" mentality is there. As it happens, Billie Joe is happily married (to Adrianne Armstrong) with two biological children. Also, I think the drummer is bi too, but that may just be him experimenting.

Peace out,

Em xoxo

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

Yes! I am bisexual. I actually don't care much for the term because it adds to the idea that being bisexual is all about getting sex from anyone who is willing, which is not true. Bisexuality is real and valid. I have had romantic or sexual feelings for both sexes, as well as a few outside of the gender binary. It is not all about sex. To me, who the person is matters much more than what they have between their legs. I would be lying if I said that I didn't prefer men over women but that does not mean that I am not fully capable of being attracted to or loving a woman. Many psychologist believe that humans are innately bisexual.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

There was a study that came out recently that states all women are bi or lesbian, with the vast majority being bi. I'm not saying the study is correct but I've always believed women had a much higher percent of bi-sexuality than men. As for men, I thinks we have a tendency to be straight or gay and bi-sexuality is rare.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
3 points

Well, it can actually exist, but most of the people who claim they're bi are full of shit. so that's why i'm posting on this side.

We first have to realize that theories on homosexuality are still up in the air, so we just have to go with current theories (that actually have some validity to it).

When it comes to relationships, men are 80% physical while women are only 20% physical. Men think on extreme scales of sexuality (which is why 99% of them who claim they're bi are most likely lying and are just gay or attention whores). Women do not think on extreme scales. They are much more Right Brain type people who think more emotionally. Attraction has more to do with emotions and personality, which is why it is far more likely for women to have lesbian experiences and even become bi. I even notice how so many girls i know say that they're "exception" is Angelina Jolie. That they would actually bang her... now, some may only do it depending on the circumstances, but men don't have that exception. Whenever straight men answer a question on homosexual acts, it's "if someone held a gun to your mother's head, who would you bang? Brad Pitt or George Clooney".

i know i didn't bring up the theories on gayness, but that's cause i don't want this to be a debate on how people become gay.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists

Thanks for that Pyggy! They are full of crap and I've always known it. I've asked so many gay people or bi people the belief I put forth here and they don't even blink when they say, as a female...a guy, and as a male...a woman. Maybe 1% has answered HMMMMM, I'm not really certain. Bear in mind I know thousands of people both straight and gay and I know many who have had dalliances with their own sex. They'd admit it to me but no one else. To reiterate:THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT HOW PEOPLE BECOME GAY!

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists
1 point

First I want to say it does exist. Human sexuality is diverse, and not only are there people who are both attracted to men and women,

but there are people who are attracted to objecst, animals, fish, and people who have absolutely 0 sexual attraction to anything.

That said, people are also liars, and I don't doubt that there are scores of angsty little teens pretending to be gay, and adults so lonely and horney they don't care anymore.

But the "gun held to your head" analogy, while true, is a result of society, not nature.

50 years ago you would have had to hold the same gun to a woman's head to get the answer "Jolie or Romain"

So, while sex is more physical for guys, that is not the reason for the discrepency between the acceptence of bi-sexuallity between men and women.

I'm pretty sure the reason it's "ok" for a girl to admit she's bi, and not a male, is because women are percieved as by men, and have accepted as such, that they are in large part sexual objects. Women on the other hand percieve men in a completely different fashion... which I have yet to figure out.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists
1 point

it's not about perception of the opposite gender. i've already described the biological/psychological reason for bisexuality being MORE likely to exist in women than men.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists
1 point

George Clooney. Hahahahahahaha just a joke. ``````````````````````````

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
bisexualmale(6) Disputed
0 points

Where are you getting your statistics from?

I'm reminded of the old adage; "Those with unfounded statistics, are liars." (paraphrased) And remember, the biggest theory on heterosexuality is one of conformity; that society, religion, politics has subconciously engrained it in those who are.

"The consensus of psychologists is that sexual orientation, in most individuals, is shaped at an early age and is not voluntarily changeable."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosexuality

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

Whom are you asking that of? And why not address the topic instead of muddying the waters?

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists

no, i do not support gay or bi people. please do not attack me on that. i do know one who says he is "bi". i did not know what it was, but when i found out from my friends, i said, "i wonder why they can't just pick a side?" i know it exists, but i'm gonna have to side with at least one of pygs arguments, this guy really likes attention. i don't even consider him "bi" to be honest. i don't know how anyone can look at a woman and say "oh, she is pretty!" and then turn around and look at a guy and say the same. its just a fact that guys are not pretty like girls. i believe joe can explain why! go get 'em joe!

i do not agree with kuklapolitan when you say, all people are fundamentally bisexual. i will never like a man or have a threesome. thats supposed to be between a man and a woman.

Side: its there but doesnt make it right

I cannot support your argument but I can support your honesty. Thank you for that. FYI...I can look at a man and say how very handsome he is and I can also say how beautiful a woman is and not have the slightest desire to say anything else. I'm not Bi at all but it is esoteric, that's all it is for me anyway. We can talk in private about the fundamental thing but my thoughts on it are after years of watching, listening and seeing within the environment.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists
1 point

ahh yes, but what is true for women may not be true for men. i myself have seen girls say to each other they are beautiful, but i think that it is because of the fact they are women. only women can be beautiful. i'm not trying to be cassanova, i swear! when a guy looks at a girl and says," she is beautiful" why would he turn around and look at a bunch of hairy guys and say "wow, they sure are pretty!" perhaps this is why there are more female bisexuals. females are just the more beautiful of the two sexes. even women seem to think so!

i'm still waiting for joe to explain why girls are prettier! c'mon, i set it up perfectly for you! hurry up man!

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
2 points

You're right, not all people are bi...

but most are.

I liked Ron White's stand up, he said he had a cousin who hates gays:

"do you watch porn?" Ron asked

"yeah, I watch porn."

"well, do you only watch two girls having sex?"

"no, I watch a man and woman make love..."

"well, do you like it when the man has a limp little pecker?"

"no, I like it when he has a big raging..."

A joke, but still, it's true. His gay hating cousin probably wasn't sexually attracted to the raging what have you, but he liked it better.

Below you said something to the effect that it's easy for a girl to say a girl is good looking, but not a guy.

Gay or not, one human can tell if another human is a good physical specimen. I and you both know Brad Pitt is a good looking guy, there's no getting around that. Underwear models have nice bodies, male of female.

On some level, one has to understand the difference between a good looking person of their own sex to make these judgements. We all are capable of making these judgements, therefore on some level we all have to be a little bi.

It would be impossible to say that a man is or isn't good looking, if there was 0 attraction.

Hard to admit for heterosexual guys, but facts are facts, we're all a little gay.

I would never want to have sex with a man, I find it gross, I look at two guys kissing about how I look at a spider. But it's there somewhere in all of us, so remember that next time you say you "don't support gay or bi people."

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

OK, here's my take on it. I don't understand how someone can look at a woman (a typical woman. Soft, curvy, little hair) and get all hot and bothered and then that same person turns around and looks at a man's hairy ass and says, "Oh, baby!" How does that happen? You either like one over the other or you don't really care for either one.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists

hey joe, look at my posts! we said the same exact thing! hahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! and explain what makes women prettier. i've been waiting for you to say it because i am would be embarassed if said it. read both of them.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists

I just call it as I seem them ;)

My brain is not wired for embarrassment ;)

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists
1 point

No one who is not Gay can understand this phenomenon. It's the women that would say that about a hairy butt...but be disgusted by it.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists
bisexualmale(6) Disputed
1 point

That's assuming that all gay/bisexual men like hairy asses, which they don't.

That's a generalization.

You're lumping all bisexual/gay men into a category rather than treating each person as an individual. It's easier to categorize. Less thinking. Less work. The hard work is seeing people as individuals with their own separate likes and dislikes. This way, when someone makes a generalization about you, you can be quick to point it out. Would it be fair for me to say "Everyone named Joe discriminates?"

Also, your definition of a "typical woman" is your interpretation and may not be the overall consensus.

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some

Point taken. One up vote for you. I had no idea gay men don't have a hair on their butt.... wait, am I generalizing again ;)

Maybe I should have said that your typical woman has boobies ;)

Side: Yes I Do And I Know Some
1 point

My personal opinion is that a bisexual person is someone who is lost. It's like saying you're an agnostic. But this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But it does feel more like a category just put off to the side that some people fall into when they admit they're unsure of them self and don't know everything.

Psychologically, the definition of bisexuality is someone who is EQUALLY sexual with men and women. Which truly, is pretty rare. I mean, if we did a survey and asked bisexuals how many of each sex they've actually slept with, it'd probably lean more in one direction than in the middle.

My issue with bisexualism today is that everyone thinks it makes them cool, so they're saying they are bi or that they want to do this girl or whatever. In high school, it's a pretty low way for a girl to put herself up the ladder by portraying herself as being so sexual active she'd do a girl. And she's getting every single guy excited over it. In other words, it just might be for people with low-self esteem.

I have this biased idea that people that are gay are gay because they couldn't get anywhere with the opposite sex.... and they grew up with no boundaries. For instance, I went to a high school where I'd say at least 80% of my graduating class is non-religious. And we have a ridiculous high gay ratio for any school that I have ever seen. And it's pretty shocking. What was REALLY going through these people's heads when they realized they wanted to be with the same sex all of a sudden? (realizing it 3-5 years after graduation). It might actually even be proof of malfunctioned families, like the cause of most eating disorders. But it's all just MY ideas. On some level, I think it's all saying there's something wrong with humanity. At the same time though, I am absolutely not against homosexuality. They can get married and they can adopt babies if they want. Go for it. But I think bisexuality is a co-pp. And the world will figure it out in future time.

Furthermore, I'm straight, but I'm attracted to some women. (Shannyn Sossamon for the most part). But there's a big difference in what I just said, I'm "attracted" to her, and this does not make me gay or bi in any way whatsoever. So, girls can say they'd bang Angelina Jolie all they want, but it proves nothing.

Side: I'm Not Covinced It Exists