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Do You Believe in God ?

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Side Score: 172
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4 points

Yes. :)

Side: Yes
3 points

I like to hedge my bets so I'm an agnostic. The something from nothing theory of the 'big bang', is no less incredible than the scriptures of the various religions so why choose one fantasy in favour of all the others on offer. By ''the something from nothing theory'' of the big bang I mean from where did the minute speck, (from which it is claimed the ever expanding universe emanated), come, and how is it that the unimaginable enormity of space was conveniently waiting to be filled with the endless cosmos?

Side: Yes
TheKaledonia(6) Clarified
3 points

The Big Bang theory is becoming rather outdated. The term was first coined by a Belgian Priest in 1920's. We humans with our limited senses and limited intelligence will likely never know the "truth", but some of the more recent theories suggest that the larger universe (but not necessarily the "largest") might have little vortices or wavetops sending out little "big bangs", like little droplets of "something" from which our present sensory detectable universe has been created. Of course we have to think this in multiple dimensions. Then there is the developing understanding of "something else" which is simply not detected by our limited senses or indeed by the matter sensed by us! (some of that "stuff" is presently called "Dark Matter").

And then there is the existence of "soul" or "mind" or "consciousness" or whatever you choose to call it. That too might be the stuff of which the universe is made! Buddhist students, (those with more training and understanding than I have) will suggest that even the concept of "reality" is in the mind!

So where is God in all this? Perhaps "God" is the sum total of all consciousness, the creator of the observable universe? Certainly God is not likely to be the monotheist (those followers of Abraham's Paul's and Mohammad's teachings) idea of an alien being, with a long beard, a judgmental eye sitting in Heaven and keeping an eye on us mere mortals. Though perhaps "God" might be that same sum total of consciousness (the stuff of the universe) from which our Karmic line is formed?

So - Do I believe in "God" - certainly not per the monotheist construction. But as some sort of cumulative consciousness? - well maybe "yes".

Side: Yes
TheCapConKid(293) Clarified
3 points

The Big Bang theory is becoming rather outdated. The term was first coined by a Belgian Priest in 1920's.

Actually Einstein (I assume you have heard of him) was the first to think of the possibility of a "Big Bang" however he thought it was a bunch of nonsense and tossed out that idea. Then it was brought back again on 1949, by a radioman who is now credited with the theory of The Big Bang.

We humans with our limited senses and limited intelligence will likely never know the "truth", but some of the more recent theories suggest that the larger universe (but not necessarily the "largest") might have little vortices or wavetops sending out little "big bangs", like little droplets of "something" from which our present sensory detectable universe has been created.

However, as said earlier Einstein did a lot of thinking on this topic. He studied it and found that in the laws of physics it is very much so possible to have something come from nothing (a.k.a The Big Bang).

Of course we have to think this in multiple dimensions. Then there is the developing understanding of "something else" which is simply not detected by our limited senses or indeed by the matter sensed by us! (some of that "stuff" is presently called "Dark Matter").

Yes this Dark Matter is what is expanding our universe in current time. I assume that this also means that Dark Matter caused The Big Bang.

And then there is the existence of "soul" or "mind" or "consciousness" or whatever you choose to call it. That too might be the stuff of which the universe is made! Buddhist students, (those with more training and understanding than I have) will suggest that even the concept of "reality" is in the mind!

So where is God in all this? Perhaps "God" is the sum total of all consciousness, the creator of the observable universe?

Assuming God(s) exists he would probably be outside of our current universe or as the Christians call it "outer darkness" where also the location of heaven and hell is.

Certainly God is not likely to be the monotheist (those followers of Abraham's Paul's and Mohammad's teachings) idea of an alien being, with a long beard, a judgmental eye sitting in Heaven and keeping an eye on us mere mortals. Though perhaps "God" might be that same sum total of consciousness (the stuff of the universe) from which our Karmic line is formed?

Dark matter? I assume that's what your talking about. While that seems like a good theory, dark matter is simply what expands the universe. As said by scientists.

So - Do I believe in "God" - certainly not per the monotheist construction. But as some sort of cumulative consciousness? - well maybe "yes".

What is wrong with the monotheist construction that makes you not believe that as the way God exists?

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
0 points

Wrong.

BB theory is NOT outdated. it is still by far the most widely adhered to theory as to the way our current known Universe came into being, some 13.7 BYA.

Sure, what you say about auxiliary theories is true. Some of us think the current Universe may only be one is a series of Big Bangs. That the Universe Bangs....expands....contracts...and then finishes in a Big Crunch--that infinitesimally small point of singularity==before beginning the process all over again.

But see, this alternative hypothesis--not really a theory yet--STILL relies on an original Big Bang.Thus the theory is NOT outdated as you said in your OP. It has just been modified and expanded upon by some Cosmologists. Not all though, and probably not even the majority.

I would hazard to guess that a good 70% of all professional Cosmologists stil adhere to the original Big Bang Theory. That is, that the current Universe is the original. The recent discovery of Dark Energy has also slightly diminished the notion of the Universe contracting into a Big Crunch, and thus the "multi-verse" hypothesis has also been denigrated as well.

Also, I am not sure where you're getting the Belgian priest stuff about the dude who coined the name Big Bang. But that is wrong as well. So is your time frame. The term was coined by Brit Astrologist Fred Hoyle in the 1950s. (And yeah, it WAS meant as a derogatory term!)

http://www.omgfacts.com/throwback/7137/The-astronomer-who-coined-the-term-Big-Bang-actually-intended-to-make-fun-of-the-theory

I Do agree with you on your idea of what a possible "god" might consist of. He certainly is not the personal caring biblical sort of entity, like the absurdly human Yahweh of the Bible. LOL. I find that sort of god to be the stuff of bad comic books.

It is rather, most likely some sort of Universal Mind, perhaps a Collective Intelligence as you mentioned. But even in this, I am agnostic at best.

Thanks.

Side: No
3 points

"i think there for i am." Uh, i mean yes, yes i do believe in God. Big man upstairs has my back, watch out!

Side: Yes
3 points

You bet i do ! Now the question is do Radical Islamist believe in Mohammad ?

Why is Leftist support the Religion of Islam ?

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
3 points

The fact that you don't even know that Islam believes in Mohammed fully explains why you don't know that the Leftists treat Islam like they treat Christianity.

Side: No
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
3 points

Leftist support the Religion of Islam ! Is that not obvious to you ?

Side: Yes
TheKaledonia(6) Clarified
3 points

The religion of Islam is based on the teachings of Mohammad, a man who lived some 1200 years ago. They don't "believe" in Mohammad any more than Christians "believe" in Christ. Islam "believers" call the one God "Allah". The Jews call him "Jehova". The Christians call the god "God" or "Father".

"Radical" Islamists have put their own particular slant on the interpretation of Mohammad's teachings. But that interpretation is no more common than the Evangelist following in Christian countries. Most Christians are decent people following a code of living inspired by the life of Christ and the rules of Paul. And most Muslims are also decent people following a code of living inspired by the life of Mohammad and the teachings of Mohammad himself or the teachings of Abu Bakr (the Sunnis) or Mohammad's son-in-law, Ali (the Shiites). Radical Islamists follow the teachings of Ali. The Shiites make up only 15% of Islam followers and the vast majority of these are good people.

Side: Yes
3 points

It just amazes me how people can be so blind. You can't make God go away by saying He is not there, you can't keep yourself out of Hell by saying it is not there, or by saying you that you are not that bad of a person that you should be denied of God's freedom.

God loves you. That's why He died for our sins as the Son of God sent by the Father, paid your price with His own blood, and rose from the dead to be the justifier of all who believe on His resurrection and receive Him as their Savior.

You can talk to God if you will be honest about the fact that you are a sinner in need of His mercy. If you will believe on Jesus, you will be saved and you can know now and forever that you have eternal life through Him.

Side: Yes
dabatergirl(14) Clarified
2 points

Thank you Saintnow.

I am a little confused, because you were telling everyone that you didn't believe in him and we're all stupid. but i forgive you now.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
1 point

I don't know what you are talking about. I have always been consistent...God loves you and wants you to have eternal life to enjoy you forever in His Kingdom of Heaven. It is the gift of God through Jesus Christ our Lord, paid for by His own blood and given freely to all who will repent of their sin and believe on Him in His resurrection and receive Him, in person, the Living God, as their Savior. The Creator became the Savior, paid the price of our sin so He is just to forgive all who trust in Him, and righteous to leave in the fire of Hell forever all who insist it was nothing that He gave His only begotten Son who paid with His own blood for our sins so we can be saved from Hell. He will be the Judge of those who refused Him as their Savior, and the Savior of those who believe on Him as the Judge of All, the King of Creation, the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, KING OF Kings and LORD of Lords....and His name is Jesus Christ and there is no other name above Him.

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Wrong.

Yet again.

We Atheists DO make god go away, since we do not use such a fallacy in any of our research. He simply is not needed in our work. Yet, we continue to improve the world with our science and our discoveries. Curing disease; allowing better and more food and crops to be produced; improving healthcare; improving technology; improving YOUR quality of life. You're welcome.

It IS true we cannot make god go away in YOUR minds. Anymore than we can eradicate other types of mental illness. But we are working on it. Just as we have created anti-psychotic medications for folks suffering from psychoses, like Schizo-affective disorders, we, with our science that continues to prove that the existence of your god is very very unlikely, are making great progress in eradicating belief in superstitions. Like religion.

I look at this much in the same way create vaccines to eradicate diseases. Same deal. Making the world a better place. Protecting the weak. The deluded. With the REAL God: Science.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Thank you for your comments. I don't know why you think it is so important to eradicate belief in God. Many scientists, such as the inventor of the MRI machine which revolutionized modern medicine, are appreciated by atheists for their excellent work in science, yet they hold to the Biblical world and life view. Of course they are in the minority, and will not be invited to speak of their faith on college campuses where practitioners of naturalism make the rules. When they do something like invent the MRI machine while never renouncing their Biblical world and life view, naturalism folks like yourself will feel their boat is being rocked too much. The boat you are riding in is for cowards who don't want anybody telling them that their sin is evil...and their is a hole in the bottom of that boat, and they are all bailing water but unable to stop the boat from sinking and you are going down with them....they are not your friends.

You can enjoy all scientific pursuits without your religion of naturalism (of course, your band of "we" who are the priests of your religion will ostracize you and you will probably get run off the campus of most colleges or universities in America because the cowards hate people who tell them the truth about their sins and their religion). When you say "science" is your god, it is not science but your religion. All religions are the same in denying justice against the sins of their followers, believing they earn that denial by what they do. You are dying in a religion, not living in reality, separated from God in death by your sins. If you won't be reconciled to God through the blood He gave on the cross for your sins when He paid your price so He can be just to forgive you, you will never see life. Life is eternal, or death is eternal, God is offering you life and you are choosing death. Any fool can be proud and brave, you don't impress me with hot air or hockey.

Atheism is unnecessary for science, as is belief in evolution. It's a false god, a useless god. Scientists do not disagree over practical science, they disagree in philosophy, beliefs about reality. In your belief, you are trying to eliminate your own conscious awareness of guilt. You know what you have done wrong and are hoping it is forever forgotten in death....you are trying to get out free thinking you are free to do as you please when you are a prisoner of death.

The only thing you are making go away is your own life. That is observable science, and you are doing a good job of it and getting what you are working for....and your atheistic friends are cheering you on as you all go out in your suicide pact following your false god named "science", which in reality is your religion of naturalism and not science.

Side: Yes
2 points

god is real because then what is the bible,also what caused the big bang if there is one? what I'm saying is that god has to be real because his quote ''let there be light'' could refure to the big bang.

Side: Yes
Jace(5187) Disputed
5 points

A book says it is true so it must be true and I do not understand things so I use faith instead of admitting I do not know things are not particularly compelling to anyone remotely intelligent.

Side: No
2 points

god is real because well,the bible states ''god can stop what he want and when he wants'' so that means god tries but we just get in his way.

Side: Yes
2 points

Whatever the actual state of existence, it's a fact that some notion of God exists.. Something can't be created from nothing.

Side: Yes
Jace(5187) Disputed
1 point

The notion of God and God are not the same thing. The former can exist without the latter. They are not mutually dependent upon one another. And if something cannot come from nothing... then from whence came God?

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
3 points

He is self existent, always has been, always will be. You had a beginning, when you were conceived, God did not have a beginning. He always was God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. He is love, and each of the two persons of the Godhead have been loved by the other, always fulfilled.

He created beings with powers of communication like His own for Himself to enjoy. Is there something wrong with that? He gave them life, and freedom to live that life, glorifying His own splendor and power. Some of them wanted to be the boss over others, they wanted to rule in God' place. Those are the devils, Satan and His angels who rebelled against God and led mankind into that same rebellion.

You are blind, thinking you have the right to exist outside of Hell simply because you cannot see Hell is real. You can't see it because you love darkness, because your deeds are evil...turned and turning you away from and against God. You keep arguing as if you are proving there is no Hell and God can't rule over you and keep you in Hell forever....the only thing you are proving is that you are dying. When your dying is finalized, then you will have no way of knowing God's love. Before it's too late, you need to trust His love, believe on His Son in His resurrection, receive Him as your Savior and be saved from Hell. You can talk to God about this if you will admit that you have sinned against Him and deserve to die and burn in Hell. If you won't agree with Him on the truth of this point, you will force Him to prove it to you and then it's too late because you will have rejected His gift, rejected the death He suffered to pay your price so you would not have to pay in Hell, and you will pay for your existence as a sinner the only way that can satisfy God's justice.....in the fire of Hell.

Side: Yes
Mariel33(456) Disputed
2 points

God didn't come from anywhere, which means that God isn't something.

Side: Yes
mykebee34(119) Disputed
1 point

With that logic, humans should be considered gods. After all we have created new species from all sorts of life notr to mention A.I.. As far as these forms of existence are concerned we are their creators. It isnt until we ask for worship and sacrifice that we can ascend to the role of a deity in this case god. Which brings me to this point; Why does everyone assume god is creator of the universe. The bible does not mention anything about the universe besides in the beginning there was darkness.... ook. What about the other planets and lets refrain from the technicalities of stars being considered planets and the 'darkness' original KJV bible as the universe. I refuse to believe in any deity that derives its history and authenticity from ancient writings. I do however accept the theory that yes some 'thing' or some 'event' triggered our existence. What type of power does a god really have if he alledgedly created a universe but in all of this time hes only placed life on one planet in one galaxy. Why do we need oxygen to breath. Why are we made from the very substances that makes up the elements. Our bodies contain water, electricity,heat, and carbon.

Side: Yes
2 points

god is real what about strange lights in sky you people need to think

Side: Yes
GenericName(3430) Clarified
4 points

....Are you talking about stars?

Side: Yes
arteaga34(130) Disputed
1 point

LOL this made me laugh. First of all, I hope you're kidding. if you're not, I assume by "strange lights" you're referring to auroras that can be seen from the north and south poles. These are caused by the earth's magnetic field and the way that sun rays hit the atmosphere, you can search up more information on them online or in a book if you wish.

Side: No
2 points

if you do not believe in a God then why quote the bible? No one is fully atheist because guess what admit it or not when something bad happens in your life when you lose someone or someone hurts you or you hurt someone you instantly go to your mind and you blame God. If you think there's not a God who are you trying to change because as much as you debate this your starting to second guess your choice. Even atheists scream at the sky and ask God why so don't argue something you cant prove. You try to use science to prove he doesn't exist and most religious people use scripture well guess what neither will prove a point. I'm stating facts guess what one quote I will use right now "how can you hate something if it doesn't exist."

Side: Yes
mykebee34(119) Disputed
1 point

Literary reference. Im pretty sure you hate something thats non - existent yet it has a presence in you life. Like fictitious movies, fabrications non the less but we quote them, love and hate them.

Side: No
2 points

I believe in god because I have prayed several times to God, and basically all of my wishes came true, even the weird ones that a normal human being wouldn't be able to grant me. If you don't believe in god and you are reading this, I would like you to message me, and we'll have a little talk.

Side: Yes
mykebee34(119) Disputed
1 point

You had me at 'wishes'. So can you wish a million dollars for me too. Since i know your good for it. He should know where to send it. I always assumed thats how prayer worked.

Side: No
2 points

I would just like to say, that if I believe in god, you should not try to take that away from me, that is my belief, so don't you go ruining that for me.

Side: Yes
2 points

I agree with dabatergirl, there is evidence. I have prayed numerous times and all of which have come true. I know you may feel upset about loosing however your not alowed to ruin and lie about the truth. It's been a pleasure winning a debate against you little liar, better luck next time.

Side: Yes
2 points

Actually, I feel a great amount of sadness for people who deny the existence of God, my reason being: it's simply a depressing way of viewing life. I know you may feel the evidence against Gods existence is extremely low, however if use choose to believe, you are giving and receiving hope. Hope is the power to be positive and feel happiness in life, it is important. In my opinion, God works like this: you pray, and by praying instead of being fearful you are being hopeful; then with your positive attitude you attract positive events in your life, for example, things you pray for, and when you are granted your wish you become even more pleased and begin to believe.

Side: Yes
nobodyknows(745) Disputed
1 point

It may seem depressing but just imagine all the people who would be alive if it wasn't for faith healers convincing the feeble minded to not seek treatment. That is truly depressing.

Side: No
mykebee34(119) Disputed
1 point

Who are you referring to when you mention god? So i gather you believe that slavery is cool - genocide is cool - patricide is cool - making a rape victim marry her rapist is cool - coveting which is a sin anothers land praying god fights along side of you(which hes done allegedly). Destroying the world yet letting a drunken old man sail an ark safely through the worst flood in biblical history, well good for you and your tyrant of a lord. One question though, if it turns out E.T. really created mankind would you then worship 'him'. Wait nevermind because god is a (white-bearded) elderly man in a toga, oh wait thats saint nick or maybe his twin. Who has a son thats actually him in human form because he had manifested himself inside the womb of a virgin. Just to fake his death when he reached the age 33 so paul could create chrisianity 60 yeaers later. if thats what you belive fine but dont force feed it to the impressionable youth brainwashing them into christian fanatics that shoot up churches and beat homosexuals half to death in the name of having slaves and the right to rape any woman they feel would be a good bride. Do you actually read the bible or just what the preacher gives you for homework. Dont feel pity for me though feel pity for your ministry that sucks the life from the poor to sustain the greed of those who exploit this ancient story for personal gain.

Side: No
1 point

i believe in god..u think that once in a while the world rose up and made immense creatures with unique characteristics...the best evidence for the existence of the ultimate creator is that all living beings have common genetic material at varying degrees...

Side: Yes
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

Why do you believe that is evidence of god, as opposed to evidence of evolution?

Side: Yes
1 point

I mean I kind of do and I kind of don't. So I'm growing up in this huge religious family. Unbelievable things have happened to me. So I'm like "Yeah I believe in god." But then there are those times like "If there really is a god why is this happening to me?" So I'm like in between I guess...?

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Sounds to me like you need to be saved. Admit you have sinned against God and deserve to be separated from Him forever, deserve any punishment He gives, deserve to die. Believe He died for you as the Son of God, Jesus, to pay for your sins so you can be forgiven by Him in His resurrection, believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead.......and wholeheartedly call on God, ask Him in the name of Jesus Christ to save you. If you will be honest at heart in doing this, Jesus will come into you and give you a new heart and you will be a new creature born of the Spirit of God who is Christ in you after you receive Jesus Christ as your Savior. The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Believe, and receive God's gift.....a prayer similar to this in your own words from your own heart will suffice if you really mean it between you and God......."Dear God, I know I'm a sinner and need your forgiveness for being a sinner, I know I've done things displeasing in your sight. I believe you died for me as the Son of God who you sent to die in my place, and I'm receiving Him now as my Savior. In the name of your Son, Jesus, I'm asking you to be my Father and I'm receiving Jesus Christ now as my Savior. Thank you for being merciful to me and giving me life. Thank you for pardoning my sins as I have received your Son who paid the price for my sins in death. Thank you for saving my soul, thank you for giving me eternal life".

Side: No
1 point

It doesn't hurt to believe, and all of those science-relying people simply stating facts from a textbook, those are only THEORIES. Who knows? God may have performed the "Big Bang," which lies as a THEORY.

Side: Yes
1 point

There is something ten times ahead u and that is god .scientists never came to found what was before the big bang or what is the other side of the moon.. B cause there is a supreme power between us and that is god

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
0 points

Yeah, OK, new meat.

I'm going to go ahead and take all you have said about your sky god with the attention that a post so lacking in fundamental grammar and punctuation as yours deserves.

In other words, this is my imitation of how much credibility and interest your post offers me...........

"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!"

LOL

Side: No
1 point

There is proof for god is existing and that is in ur home....god cannot every time stop u from doing something wrong that's why God created mother also god cannot every time advice u that's why god created frnds

Side: Yes
1 point

I believe in god but I don't believe in statue worshiping. If u will search god in churches masjids or temples then there is no need of coming him to u .b cause u r searching him in church and masjid then why he will come to u.if u will search god in person then u will find god not in church. If u will met with an accident then at that time the person who will give blood to u he will be god for you no one other

Side: Yes
1 point

I am one who believes in God. I believe in the power of God himself. I know that its hard to believe in what you cant see. The point I'm aiming to make is that its always easier to believe in God when you were brought up that way, you kinda get a better understanding of who God is, and more importantly his works and his unlimited power. I was raised in the church and learned much about God. It stuck with me as the years went on. I see the difference between believing in God and just knowing that there is a GOD. The way i see it, I've been blessed with so many good abilities, (GOOD AND GOD) confirming my belief in GOD.

Side: Yes
1 point

I, for one, do believe in God. There are too many events that have happened and will happen that science can not explain. The universe did not come to be by chance. God is a way for people to explain all these events. Even though, we can not do experiments to show of God's existence or put him in a test tube or some sort of scientific method, that does not mean we should say that "God does not exist!"

Side: Yes
TrumpsHair(310) Clarified
0 points

There are too many events that have happened and will happened that science can not explain.

Such as?

The universe did not come to be by chance.

Based on what?

God is a way for people to explain all these events.

But do you truly believe that is a reasonable line of thought for "proving" God? I can understand why it might be tempting, don't get me wrong, I just don't understand how it is proof.

Side: Yes
0 points

The People who say He does not exist insist on calling us names because they cannot come up with a more reasonable argument. God exists, everyone knows in their heart of hearts this is a truth. You can say He doesn't but that doesn't change that fact that He does. I've spoken to Him. He's guided me. I'm who I am because of Him.

Side: Yes

I do and I thank HIM for always watching over me!

Side: Yes
-1 points

I am not sure. I am an agnostic theist. What this means is that I am not sure of the existance of a God, but I lean in favor of His existance.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

an agnostic theist......of course you are not sure.

You need God's forgiveness for your sins, you have broken His law and need His mercy, you need His pardon to be allowed to live in His Kingdom, and it's all in His Son who took your place in death and rose from the dead to be the justifier of all who believe on Him.

Why not believe and receive Him today? You may not have the opportunity tomorrow. If you die in your sins, you pay for your sins, and you will end up paying in Hell forever because you cannot pay enough to undo the things you have done, you can only keep on doing more of the same because it's your nature to sin so you will always be paying in dying forever and Hell will be your prison.

God is being good to you desiring that you will come to repentance and believe on His Son and be saved. Only believe and talk it over with God, believing on Jesus and asking God for His mercy based on what Jesus did for you.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

In other words, you don't know what you are talking about but you are convinced that you are intelligent.

Side: No
dabatergirl(14) Disputed
2 points

I am sorry Saintnow, but I think you got that wrong... you see I have a masters degree in being right, and so that means that I am right, and you are wrong. Look...I am sorry, but sometimes you just got to loose, and today was your day. shame.

debate over (I won!)

Side: Yes
Sitar(3680) Disputed
1 point

What I mean is that I seek sufficient evidence of the existance of God.

Side: Yes
0 points

Hey! That sounds like you!

LOL.

Or do you deny that?

If you do--how so? When nobody can know of god's ways--even if there were one. But you preach around here like you DO know. A true false prophet who demands that sinners repent or burn. JC warned us about your ilk. And what was in store for them.

Hint: Millstone. Around neck. Big-ass lake. Gurgle gurgle.

LOL

Side: No

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

-Epicurus

In other words, not really.

Side: No
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Will government prevent evil ? Is government able to do so ?

Will gun confiscation prevent evil ?

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
5 points

The government is not omnipotent. Your questions are stupid.

Side: No
3 points

Is the government god? No.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8827) Clarified
1 point

yes. yes. yes.

Side: Yes
Jace(5187) Clarified
1 point

No. No. No.

Side: Yes
Jace(5187) Disputed
1 point

Who says that God must be benevolent? Or even necessarily omnipotent or omniscient. This is a solid refutation of anyone who claims their God is all of those things, but does not answer the question more broadly.

Side: Yes
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

Within the broader scope of the question, I agree. However, I saw the comment from the OP:

"yes because without God you wouldn't be here and wouldn't have the wonderful things we have today. GOD IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!"

And chose the quote accordingly. My answer to the more broad question came in a later response where I said that I am a "Pragmatic Agnostic", a term often used to refer to individuals who do not believe we can know (or at least can currently know) if a god (or gods) exist.

Side: Yes
mykebee34(119) Clarified
1 point

That is how god is described through the bible text. Along with him being the Alpha and the Omega.

Side: Yes
GoneFishing(126) Disputed
0 points

If God is Omnipotent, one should assume that he is Omniscient as well. Why ask questions that you will never understand?

Side: Yes
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

That right there is exactly why I'm a "Pragmatic" Agnostic (not my term).

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

God is willing and able to prevent evil. The way evil will be prevented is by confining sinners in the fire of Hell where there will be no means for evil to exercise itself.

It's you who is malevolent, hating God and being evil, promoting a teaching of evil against God. Evil comes from your heart, you are full of it, and God is being merciful and good to you desiring that you come into agreement with Him regarding His right to rule over and against you as a sinner. This is the first step you must take in approaching God if you want His forgiveness which apparently you do not.

Epicurus was an evil fool in saying what he said, and you are equally the evil fool for promoting his hatred against God as if it's something good. Really.

Side: Yes
GenericName(3430) Clarified
0 points

That isn't "preventing" evil, that is confining it. Preventing evil would be not creating Satan in the first place.

So why did God create Satan knowing what he would unleash upon his creation?

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
-2 points
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
4 points

Thanks. You just admitted there is no god. Since clearly you or any other religious zealot can prove that ONE sinner has EVER been banished to hell.

may I ask what in life has scared you so badly, so fiercely, that you found it necessary to retreat to living n a fanatasy world of devils and ghosts and sky gods?

Embrace life. this one is all you have. T'woud be a pity to squander it on faulty worship of non-existent deities.

Please..I am simply trying to help you. to give you your life back.

Read this..take a mere 15 minutes out of your day. and then think about it. do yourself a favor.

http://godisimaginary.com/

p.s. I don't smoke pot, and fishing bores me. But I AM off to go play some soccer at the park. a bit of 4 on 4 with me mates, and THEN some pints at the pub. and watch the Arsenal game.

LOL.

Cheers, mate.

I'm a gooner!

LOL

Side: No
2 points

You'll notice I'm not the one who said that quote.

Interesting, don't you think?

Side: No
6 points

In my opinion religion has been used to explain the "unexplainable" at the time that the question was asked? If you watch civilizations grow and gain knowledge you see a disregard for the religion, Generally the more educated a society the less religion. Also if their is a god or gods why is there so mcuh suffering, and the "Free will" argument is not valid.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

This is a self-deceptive delusion, if not a purposeful distortion of the truth. Great minds in all fields and all levels of education and scientific accomplishment have throughout all ages come to faith in God, believing in the God of Heaven before the arrival of the Son of God, and believing in the Son of God after His arrival.

People who make statements like you have hear show nothing more than emotional insecurity in that they are afraid to face facts and prefer their religion of naturalism over reality.

Side: Yes
4 points

God is the greatest lie we are fed with, indoctrinated with, in the name of religion. Once you realize it, there is really no God but just us. We'd value our kind, our space much more.

Side: No
1 point

The lie you have been fed is to believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner....that you are self-justified. Only God is self-justified.

Are you kidding? You really think that eliminating God from the thoughts of mankind will bring peace and harmony to the world? Do you know what Communism is? It's the fruit of your silly belief in the goodness of human hearts.

Side: No
dcb9242000(167) Disputed
2 points

The lie that you have been fed your entire life is that there is some deity that is all-powerful and the root of everything.

Most conflicts throughout the history of the world were because of religious intolerance.

Side: Yes
92nida(1410) Disputed
1 point

The lie you have been fed is to believe you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner

A lie is something that is told. Not a realization. That God doesn't exist is not a lie that is fed but common sense or rationalization.

Only God is self-justified.

How is God self-justified? I exist, you exist. That is self-justified. Are you telling me, something you do not see, or have read about in million different books, of different languages, cultures all claiming authority over the power of God is self justified?

You really think that eliminating God from the thoughts of mankind will bring peace and harmony to the world?

What has the presence of God in the thoughts of mankind brought?

Do you know what Communism is?

Not Atheism. A political system based on power dynamics.

It's the fruit of your silly belief in the goodness of human hearts.

It is the result of faulty tyrannical structures. And it exists in every ideological or religious platform. Your advocacy for religion or God hasn't proven otherwise either.

Side: Yes
3 points

Nope.

Side: No
3 points

People need to learn that these myths have real consequences for people who believe in them. It's not just fundamentalist Islam. Fundamentalist Christians do exorcisms instead of seeking mental health treatment, they believe in faith healer my and shun western medicine, and they do these thing to their children. I used to believe that religion was just comforting stories for the emotionally weak but experience has taught me this stuff is dangerous and needs to be expelled from our communities.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You are being expelled from life by your sin and you are going to wake up in Hell if you don't get saved from it.

Side: Yes
sohn(3) Disputed
2 points

Live without fear of being judged after death. Don't live like a slave to someone or some religion. Come out of those fears and live your life to your full satisfaction.

Side: No
3 points

Honestly, I hate when people yell at you for not believing in the same thing as them. I don't believe in God for scientific purposes, and if you don't respect my opinion, I will not respect yours. Just because I'm an atheist does not mean I'm a satanic follower, or any other crazy reasons. And if God happens to be real, he won't send me to Hell for not believing in him, he would if I was a bad person. So, crazy christians, don't respond to this if all you're going to say is I'm going to Hell.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

You don't believe in God for moral purposes. You hope to evade punishment in death so you try to get rid of God so you can believe you go unpunished in death, and then you can call death good and beautiful and natural. It's a form of insanity you are practicing...the worst form because you are in total denial of reality.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

A good person is not dying. Your body is rife with corruption the same as your soul, you feed your belly as it's falling apart the same as you stroke your ego while you are being cast down in death for your pride.

Side: Yes
SecondChance(10) Clarified
1 point

I believe whole heartedly in God. He has been there, personally through some of my toughest times. That is my belief and I will stick by it. However, I believe in the importance of remembering that we are all individuals. I also believe that God doesn't want us shaming one another. I mean, isn't he the only one allowed to judge? I disagree that throwing my beliefs down other peoples throats are what he created me to do. I respect that some people don't believe in God, as I respect that some people believe in Buddha or that climate change doesn't exsist or that all Christians will shame you if you don't believe in God. We are in a new world. We are meant to be understanding and caring. Isn't that all that God really wants from us?

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Awwwwww, boo hoo, the hater doesn't like to be told that he is dying and needs to be saved from Hell.

Side: Yes
1 point

There is absolutely no evidence that god exists. I do not believe in things for which there is no evidence to suggest probability. This is particularly true when there is reason to suspect that our conception of that thing (in this case god) is conditioned by our genetics and lived experiences, and thus not only a figment of our imagination but also speaking to our inability to conceive of any possible actual greater power with any degree of descriptive accuracy.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

This is stupid. Your own existence is proof that God is there. You simply don't want Him to rule over you. You love your sin more than life and it's taking you to Hell and like an idiot you are saying God cannot prove it because He is not there.

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
3 points

Biologists and Anthropologists, chemists--all of those disciplines, do just fine explaining how and why we exist. God is not needed in any of their equations. And if you had even the slightest knowledge in any of those fields, you would easily understand this.

Do you need a god to grow some bacteria in a petri dish at home? The answer is no. All you need is the requisite substances and environment. This analogy is not all that different from how we began, some 3.5 billion years ago.

Can you prove I do not have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage. No you cannot. This is Carl Sagan's favorite example of how it is difficult to disprove something, no matter how absurd.

Same deal applies with your BFF sky god.

The Dragon In My Garage

by

Carl Sagan

"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floates in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."

And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

Side: No
Jace(5187) Disputed
1 point

You have made these baseless claims before. I have repeatedly asked you to substantiate them with evidence or logic and you have consistently failed to do so. I have also thoroughly refuted all of these assertions elsewhere, and as you never bothered to respond directly to that analysis I am disinclined to make it again. I will not engage further on this thread with you.

Side: No
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

No.....it is your reasoning that smacks of stupidity.

You on one hanbd claim that our very existence is proof of your god.

YET, you steadfastly refuse to admit that the preponderance of evil and suffering in the world, as well as the total lack of ANY hint of god, is NOT proff he does nOT exist.

One one hand you use an observably fact (us) to prove your god (never mind that science can explain this all without him)--but on the other you deny that those same observable facts (suffering, evil, starving children) DON'T DISprove him.

As usual, you deluded christains want it both ways.

Sorry, I just cannnot let that fly.

You are wrong. Your argument is flawed. And lame. And very very old.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Your existence and your dying should be enough evidence, but you wont' believe Hell is real until you find yourself unable to get out of the fire, will you? You are a fool.

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

See?

You CANNOT show us how Sagan's Invisible Dragon Argument is any different form yours about god. To me, the two are equally real.

Dying is evidence of an organism's culmination in the process of aging, degeneration, and entropy. The cessation of the vital organs due to either a traumatic and impacting physical occurrence--like a car accident or a murder--or due to simply expiring after sustained and chronic usage. (AS in dying of "natural causes" in old age.)

See??? Again..your god is NOT NEEDED to explain ANYTHING!! The Earth, the Universe, US, Life and Death, Nature, etc. Science can handle all that and answer all the questions.

God need not apply.

Well, except for you religious guys, as a comforting emotional placebo.

LOL.

Side: No
1 point

well i am saying yes also and no also but more on the no side cause there are no solid proofs of GOD existing maybe its same wit the ALIENS.........

Side: No
1 point

Your existence is God's gift, you are abusing yourself to go against God when He created you for Himself to enjoy. All you are doing is negating yourself from life while you try to negate God from ruling over you.

Side: No

No, to believe and support something with no evidence is purely foolish and on a wide scale extremely detrimental to society. These kinds of debates shouldn't even exist until the affirmative claim (that there is a god) can be proven on some notion.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Yes, everybody should be wasting away like you are. Why should anybody be allowed to say they know their sins are forgiven and they are going to heaven? Why should anybody be allowed to say God is righteous and we need His forgiveness because of our wrongs?

You are a hater, plain and simple. You hate God and you hate people who know Him because you can't get them to shut up without killing them. God loves you. I hope you realize that before the Muslims get hold of your atheistic cowardly neck.

Side: Yes
WastingAway(340) Disputed
2 points

"You hate God and you hate people who know Him"

Yeah I don't hate religious people any more than atheists. My problem is purely with religion.

"Why should anybody be allowed to say they know their sins are forgiven and they are going to heaven? Why should anybody be allowed to say God is righteous and we need His forgiveness because of our wrongs?"

People should be allowed to say whatever they want. Its when they start trying to push those beliefs on other people that things get bad. Its when they start killing and prejudicing and dividing society that it gets bad.

Side: No
1 point

Define what you mean by "god?"

Cuz if you're speaking of a caring, personal, Theist sort of god, a biblical type, who is endowed with absurdly human emotions like the petty, jealous, and murderous Yahweh of the Torah, then my answer is a resounding "Fuck No!"

LOL.

But if you speak of a non-personal, non-intervening-in-human-affairs (except perhaps as a sort of Universal Mind that might be able to be tapped into)--that is, a Deist sort of entity that is more science, like an Energy Field, than human like Yah-Yah--I would answer. "Probably not. But there could be a slight chance."

On tis latter type of Creator Force I would give a 10% (at best) chance of existing.

Chances of a biblical God existing: 0.001% (that's 1 in 100,000)

Chances of JC having been god, or even physically resurrected from the dead and then ascended to heaven to sit with Dad. (or himself, I get confused! LOL): 1 in 100,000.

Chances of my aforementioned Impersonal Universal Mind, that perhaps drove the Evolutionary Process instead of random genetic mutations and selective inheritance: about 1 in 100.

Thanks.

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Another reason I edited this post, sometimes I get frustrated and talk too much.

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Retard.

You cannot disprove let alone understand any of my science. Fraud? Please. I have never told even the slightest untruth insofar as my education here on CD. And you know this. But now you are engaging in the oldest trick in the book: attacking the attacker. Pathetic, you are. I have pretty much shot down ALL your argument for god, asked you questions you CANNOT answer, made you look pretty pathetic.

Doubt me?Ask anybody? Do a survey you brain-dead moron. Let's go! Think I do not Biology? Let's debate! Shall we speak of how your Creationist Irreducible Complexity has been debunked? Shall we speak of other flaws found in Nature which allude to Evolution and NOT a perfect Creator? Want to discuss Junk DNA? Cellular metastasis? Over-population of certain species in limited geographical environments? Or even our flawed brains and how it has been exactly mapped and proven to have been evolved from the primal level at the brain stem and amygdala?

Let's go, zealot. Maybe, just maybe you will even address this challenge. I highly doubt it. You have NEVER met ANY challenge I have given you. Or answered ANY question. You are the worst debater here. The least credible. Again, ask anybody.

Are you as bug a loser in REAL life as you are on CD? Please be honest with yourself. I am guessing you are living alone, old, fat, and subsisting on government checks. MY tax dollars. Your only friends are in your church. And down at the SSDI office.

Tell me I am wrong.

Let me know about discussing ANY science. Post-grad level? Ask me anything. But only if you want to learn. Which I am sure you do not. Your bible comforts you as a juice bottle comforts a retarded newborn.

LOL

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

A "god" is an idol, something or someone other than God who is worshipped, served, or feared. You are a god to yourself, and other atheists are gods to themselves. Allah is a god much like you though Allah has a much larger following than you do. You present yourself as a teacher, as if you are a higher god helping lesser gods to become strong in pride like you. Allah is much the same in doing what you are doing. Satan too.

The thing about God you are desperate to deny is His righteousness. You have to deny that He loves you so that you can accuse Him of being cruel to others as well as to yourself. You have to accuse Him of doing wrong or failing to do right so you feel excused for hating Him. You ignore the fact that you have the same frailties as a sinner by which less fortunate people than you are denied of many of the comforts and pleasures you are proud of....gloating in your "success" as if it is by your own power that you "succeed" rather than by gifts of the world around you and gifts of abilities which have enabled you to do anything.

Your mind is twisted in evil and you love your sin more than life, so what else can you do but enjoy it as long as you can believe you are free of punishment in death and there is no Hell?

All you are is hot air in a pile of wet dust trying to impress yourself and others when all you have and all you are is a gift from God which may be denied at any moment....and the way you talk against God, I would not be surprised to see Him knock you down hard. It would not be the first time I saw somebody like you fall. You will fall, willingly or unwillingly. The only difference between you and me is that I saw I deserve to fall and I fell down before God in need of mercy, and believed on His Son who is the payment for my sins, and my sins are covered by His innocent blood so God sees me as justified, forgiven. You are in your sins, proud, dead in your sins, and in danger of the fire of Hell and being a fool.

All of your science is practical and valid without believing the insertion of past billions of years and evolution of life forms which emerged out of non-life. You do not need any of that stuff for practical science or technological development. All that junk is nothing but pride against God, arrogance at it's core, stinking self-righteousness that does nothing but propel you away from God's goodness and if you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ you will end up in Hell where it will be impossible for you to believe God is good because all signs of His goodness like the air you breathe, the sunshine and rain you enjoy, and the water which cools your tongue will be absent.

You don't have to believe what I'm telling you, God loves you if you believe it or not. God knew every detail of your life before you were born, and He knew the evils you would do and have done before you did them. God has every hair on your head numbered as are your days. God loves you still in spite of the fact that you are trying to paint Him as being uncaring. God does not want you to be lost in the fire of Hell. God wants you to enjoy eternal life with Him, to have a new body like Jesus' resurrected body, free of pain, suffering, sickness...but you want what you have I guess, dying forever. That's all you know I guess.

I don't believe in odds and chances. I do not gamble. You are the one gambling, and you are playing a losing bet...can't you see you are losing everything in your dying? It's not rocket science we are talking about, it's plain common sense. You are dying and need to be saved to have hope.

Side: Yes
1 point

Santa seems to be much nicer. A lump of coal is much nicer than damnation and I've never heard of people being killed in his defense, or for not believing in him. Santa gets my vote.

Side: No
0 points

"God created the Earth in six days, and on the seventh, he rested."

Well, today we know that there are stars and planets 15 Billion light years away, BILLIONS of them! Whew! HE must have done a LOT of "resting"! Since many of them are hundreds of times larger than Earth, he must have needed to rest hundreds of times while building each of THEM! C'mon! Grimm's Fairy Tales are easier to believe!

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

God is bigger than the universe. Your imagination is not big enough to comprehend God. You are tying to make yourself bigger, smarter, stronger than Him and He will cast you down to Hell the same as Satan. You're just being a devil trying to get others to follow you in rebellion for the pleasures of your sin. Your playing a loser's game, you are going to lose everything if you don't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Side: Yes
AlofRI(3274) Clarified
2 points

No. I am NOT trying to get anyone to "follow me". I would NOT knock anyones right to believe. I simply do NOT. All I need is some PROOF that is believable, that makes sense, and I would gladly believe. I have NEVER seen any.

You can't help marking ME as a "devil" simply because YOU have been convinced. To me, if there is a "god", he is guilty of gross mismanagement of his "creation". What kind of boss doesn't show up when his company is falling apart? When his "workers" are being killed? When there is confusion about just WHO is "boss", WHO makes the rules, WHAT his REAL name is?? What his REAL policies are? Was Jesus his SON? Or was he just a prophet, as the Muslims believe ... and a second rate one at that. If you want to run the company, SHOW UP! THAT will earn you the respect of everyone!

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
0 points

I am tired of you not being able to answer my scientific points. All you do is engage in circular logic: "It must be truer because my bible tells me so!"

LOL.

So I have formally challenged you to a private debate on Evolution.

Can't wait to get started!

Prepare to be jobbed.

LOL

Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

How do you know they were not formed with billions of light years of space between them? Were you there billions of years ago?

How do you know they were not formed with great distances between them, all perfect and none failing, until something messed it up and caused it all to start falling apart, with pieces of it hitting the moon causing craters and other pieces causing craters on your face and in your brain?

Side: Yes
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
2 points

Again...your lack of scientific understanding is apparent.

We know how the galaxies formed and expanded due to something called the Red Shift. We know the composition of the stars through a method called gas Chromatography. I am not going toe explain either to you now, as I do not have the time nor the inclination to give a zealot a lesson in Cosmology 101. You won't listen anyway. (But I will give you a link that explains all this).

But suffice it to say that the Doppler Effect Red Shift, as well ac Hubble' Constant, as well as the fairly recent discovery of Dark Energy, ALL of these show us in clear and irrefutable terms that the Universe is expanding, and has been for billions of years. The galaxies could not have been created with these cast distances between them, or they would be farther apart now, due to the aforementioned Red Shift.

You are also a hypocrite!!

Why do I say this?

Because you zealots embrace science every singe day: you use it, you love it; your life is far more better for it. Science is responsible for the computer you type your absurd posts on; the car you drive; the utilities in your house that keep you warm and cool and hydrated; the medicine you take; the care your doctor gives you, etc.

You question NONE of it. You do not know how electricity REALLY works, how the it is a flow of electrons and how can it be that you can get electrocuted by a 120 volt outlet in your house, but yet: a typical static electricity shock from when you touch that door knob on a dry day can deliver 10,000 VOLTS!! (I can tell you this if you wish).

But, yeah, so you embrace all this science, yet it when it comes to the science which shows your bible to be wrong and your god to be non-existent, all of a sudden you deny it. Claim we don't know what we're talking about.

Like a frustrated 10 year old with an algebra book, who cannot understand it and throws the book down saying, "This stuff is crazy, it makes no sense!"

Yet it does, huh?

LOL

http://www.livescience.com/32260-how-do-scientists-know-the-universe-is-expanding.html

Side: No
TheOriginal(6) Disputed
1 point

The Bible doesn't specify a timeline. God actually transcends time because humans created time and the notion of time. Six days to God could be billions and billions of years to us.

Side: Yes
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

The Bible does specify a timeline. You either believe God or you believe people who claim to know more than God because they believe their own imaginations.

Side: No
AlofRI(3274) Disputed
1 point

"Humans" also "created" GOD, as well as the concept of "Time". It "created" thousands of them OVER TIME.

YOU reject a thousand "gods", I as an Atheist, simply reject a thousand and ONE.

Amazing, how ALL human concepts get twisted by (or FOR), "a god".

Side: No
1 point

Exactly!!!

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Side: No
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Believe whatever you want to believe as long as you can believe it. Don't believe Hell is real and sinners will be confined in it's torments forever as long as you can believe that. Go ahead and get mad at the idea of God ruling over you and against your sin, and Hell being justice against sinners.

Side: Yes