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 Do any women make sense? (12)

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Do any women make sense?

I know this question has been done to death, but it is yet to be answered. I'll give you some examples of why I've been asking this question lately.

1) A few years ago for my high school formal I asked a girl to go with me, she said yes, and then a week later she got really angry at me for some reason (I honestly have no idea what I did, if I did anything at all, I was sick all week so I wasn't even at school that week), I then apologised and basically said sorry for whatever it was I did, and then she got angry at me for apologising for 'nothing'. She denied getting angry at me and dumped me.

2) About 2 months ago a woman said she really liked me and wanted to go out with me, so I asked her out, and then she ignored me and hasn't spoken to me since (I mean I don't really care, I have a girlfriend now, but that still doesn't explain what the that woman was smoking).

3) A week ago I bought my girlfriend some flowers (roses, and they weren't cheap) and when she saw them she just glared at me and walked off...am I missing something here? She refuses to explain her anger and says that clitche' line: "You should know why."

 

There are so many othe exaples I could write, but I'm still hungover from last night and I couldn't be bothered writing them down.

 

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2 points

As a general concept?

They bleed and cramp monthly to varying amounts, the primary sexual organ is prone to infection more so than any other part of the human body, the act of birthing will stretch their uterus wall up to 500 times its original size, they are made to bare a child fully 3/4 of a year making migration, gathering and other societal functions nearly impossible.

It is an incredibly inefficient reproduction system that half of the human race has...

Oh you mean like mentally.

Depends which one.

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I could match each of your examples with one of my own experiences with a 'nonsensical' man, so don't mistake anecdotes as being worth much as evidence. And remember each of your stories only has one voice: yours. The women in your stories undoubtedly have a different way of telling it, and to them, you might be the one who didn't make sense. I'm sure you feel like you tried to understand them, maybe you did or maybe you didn't. I won't make the mistake of trying to analyze your experiences. But to label an entire gender nonsensical or irrational is to dismiss the reality of their experiences and refuse to recognize that their emotions are valid, too. It's an excuse to shrug them off.

Do you really think half the human race is significantly less capable of thinking clearly and using reason? If so, that's a pretty heavy claim and maybe you'd like to offer some more support besides a few personal experiences.

wildjaguar(1) Disputed
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Well please understand that your words are emotionally charged. I must agree with the originator of this topic because women dont normally make sense at all. For example, "we need to talk" equals "i need to rant". Women will never say that they are at fault no matter what. Im not saying that i had this gentleman's experience but im a hairstylist and i have been married for 4yrs now and i have to say, women don't make sense period. Think about it this way, basic equation is that men think logically and women think emotionally. Thats why there are not many women leaders out there in this world (and stating that women werent given a chance is not legitimate because that just means that they lack power to create more opportunity). Women are jealous creatures and very insecure in general. When bunch of my girlfriends go out clubbing, they are in competition within themselves about who looks the greatest and etc. Women will never forget what you have done, they will bring it up even if it was 29yrs ago.

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Does any human make sense? Lol

It goes both ways, though girls have the problem of being less direct about anything, but guys have the problem of putting up a facade.

And I think I make sense the majority of the time :p

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We all put up a "facade", it's called being a part of "the game", which is enforced by both men and women.

all we merely have to do is abolish preconceived notions about how men and women should be and any rules on what men and women should do, and we will no longer have to deal with all that bullshit.

Imagine, a future with indiscriminate sex and drug use (like ecstasy and acid... the 60s had it right... if only they showered).

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The woman that makes sense is the one who tells you that most woman don't make sense.

Evolution structured the woman to not have to deal with reasoning as much as men do. In primal times, the woman just took care of the child, which focused on nurturing. The man, on the other hand, had to hunt and provide for his family, putting him out into the real world where he would have to deal with real world problems.

This sets the man to have to deal with things rationally, as opposed to with emotion and empathy.

Of course, in the modern world this is no longer the case (ideally). However, the biological make up of our mind and bodies still makes is so that men will TEND to be more rational than the woman. Of course there are exceptions... this isn't a fixed rule. It's merely evolution, which isn't fool proof (unless you believe in intelligent design...)

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zombee(1026) Disputed
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Explain how keeping children alive is achieved with reason and rationality less than hunting. Are you equating reason with spatial visualization? How are the problems solved by early women somehow not 'real world' problems? Remember that women have always been consistent food-gatherers as well.

'Nurturing' is not an emotion. It's an action, a mindset, a personality trait, and it's a rational method of reaching a goal just as much as hunting is. Both males and females are invested in the survival of their young, and both contribute to this by identifying goals, solving problems, learning quickly, and dealing well with the unexpected. An emotional attachment is a motivator for both genders and experiencing emotions does not necessarily preclude rationality. If a woman was incapable of acting consistently rational, she would not be able to keep her children alive. She would not survive long herself.

Look at other species in which females provide primary care for the young. Are female dogs less rational than males? Whales? Chimpanzees? Why don't we see the same rift forming in even our closest relatives? Because using reason benefits both genders, not just men.

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ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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You're right, I shouldn't have been so broad with my usage of the word "rational".

Technically, to be rational is to, as you pointed out, work for the goal. If your goal is to feed a kid, taking steps to feed a kid would be considered rational.

And to take it a step further, nurturing can involve some forms of problem solving, since if a mother doesn't know where the food is, it would take a case of problem solving to find out where the man put it (be it he didn't tell her or she forgot).

I guess the issue then comes from leaving the home, where there is far more than just a child and some house issues. There is then the outside world, which is what the man is used to. He must explore strange lands and be ready to deal with the deadliest of predators at time, especially in times of settlement and open seasons (open seasons are seasons when the food [animals] are most abundant). It requires far more of needing to be able to deal with many new issues, which involves far more problem solving.

The woman, even in today's society, is not as equipped as a man is for dealing with the outside world. It's not anyone's fault, that is just where nature put them. Men have had the power and responsibility for such a long time, and now women want to become "equal". There is nothing wrong with this. However, to say that primal evolutionary traits are no longer going to apply just because we've finally decided to treat everyone equally is a lot like saying burning offensive books will make the world more moral.

I agree with the Feminist goals, and I feel that if we continue down the path of eliminating gender roles, the human species will eventually evolve into a superior group of people that are not biologically predisposed for certain roles. Right now, thanks to the flexibility of the human mind and our bodies, we can alter ourselves to fit what we want, as opposed to what society wants. We are on the march towards progress, for both the sake of men and women (but at the expense of culture... but culture's a handicap, so w/e)

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