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Nautilus - I am an athiest and I celebrate Christmas and Easter. Jesus wasn't actually born in December, he was born in September but Christians moved it to December because that's a pagan holiday and they thought it would be easier for them to convert to Christianity if the holidays were on the same day.
I celebrate Christmas as a time to get together with my family, give them presents, and generally appreciate the season as a time to be happy with the people I love.
I don't celebrate the 'birth of Jesus', or any of the events that Christmas is based on that are religious, as I am an Atheist.
I celebrate Easter and Christmas as the secular holidays they have become. I celebrate them because they are fun, I like presents and food, and they are a good reason to party. In fact the origin of Christmas is not the birth of Christ, December 25th i not a date given in the bible and the majority of biblical scholars put Jesus' birthday earlier in the year based on what little scriptural evidence there is. Celebrating birthday's was not something done by early Christians and there already existed a Pagan holiday known as Saturnalia, to celebrate Saturn, the God of the harvest, which started on December 17th and eventually was extended until December 25th. Christianity eventually used the false birthday of Christ as an excuse to celebrate a holiday already widely celebrated by Pagans. So I celebrate the holiday not to celebrate a false birthday, but to have fun. I celebrate it because I like celebrating things.
Yeah we celebrate cause the birth of jesus what kind of crap have you been talking about you dont know much about the history of christmas do you thats why they gave it the name christmas which means Christ-Mass!
Actually I do know much about the history of christmas and Christianity in general, that's how I know the facts above and that it's a stolen holiday, you are the one who knows nothing more than the date people have told you. Just because it is called holiday doesn't mean its Jesus' birthday. First off, that date is not given by the bible. Second, if I were to steal your car and paint "Nautilus' Car" on the side of it, what that pass as proof that it was indeed my car? Of course not, so when they Christians steal (incorporate actually) the holiday of the Pagans, and they called it Christmas to fit with their dogma, that is not proof for the date of Jesus' birthday.
Not only are they stolen holidays, but the church often built churches on pagan sites of worship to try to get the pagans that used to go to those sites to start going to the church.
I still dont belive are you sure your right because you talk alot of crap no offense just saying thats false crap I know my facts ok so dont tell me whats this and whats that.
Well these are the facts of history, just because you don't like what I am saying has no bearing on the legitimacy of it. If you know your facts as to why Jesus' birthday is December 25th and that is the holiday you are celebrating than please share them. No disrespect, but I do care about knowledge and learning and if you have information that I am unaware of then please enlighten me.
Well I dont know much but all the web sites Ive been on said that it all started on december 25th wich everybody knows go online to christmas history and find out!
That's some great sourcing, "the web sites" yes I can also find web sites that tell me that reptilian shape shifters from Venus control the world governments, your argument is useless without something to back it up. I have the historical analysis of the history of christmas, not only have you failed to refute that but you have also failed to provide evidence as to why the birth of Jesus was December 25th. Early Christians didn't even celebrate birthdays, that was a Pagan tradition but all of the Pagan converts wanted to keep the holiday because holidays are fun so they renamed it Christmas.
it all started on december 25th wich everybody knows
Yes, and at one point, everybody "knew" that the sun revolved around earth, and they knew earth was flat. Reality is not based upon consensus, it's based upon reality. It doesn't matter how many people believe something to be true, belief has no bearing upon reality. You have yet to prove why December 25th is Jesus' birthday, I have demonstrated that is used to be a Pagan holiday just given a new name so that people could keep celebrating.
It doesnt say however just because I belive in christianity doesnt mean I dont belive in science and history. In ancient history it said he was born on december 25!
In essence, the Mass is the ceremonial slaying of Jesus Christ over and over again, followed by the eating of his flesh and the drinking of his blood. The Mass is the death sacrifice, and the "Host" is the victim. This is official Roman Catholic doctrine, and "Christmas" is a word that they invented.
Jesus was born in September, not December. There is plenty of evidence to support that. There is actually more evidence to support that Jesus wasn't even God's son.
Wait a Darn flippin sec I looked at my history and you were right but at the same time you were wrong true the pagans celebrated it but they didnt call it christmas the christans did ever since the birth of jesus they gave gifts and such just like the pagans!
In a nutshell, the church essentially stole the holiday from the Pagans, filled it with their jesus propaganda, and renamed it Christ-Mass. If you look at the history christianity, it's filled with the cannibalism of other traditions and religions.
I think a lot of Christians would be surprised to find the origins of Easter. The Holiday itself is older than Christianity, and therefore couldn't have originated from Christianity. Most sources point to a Mesopotamian or Germanic pagan origin.
Seriously dude get your facts right go online right now and look up the history of easter and well see whos right and it didnt come from any of those they just stole them from the christian religion!
Seriously dude get your facts right go online right now and look up the history of easter and well see whos right and it didnt come from any of those they just stole them from the christian religion!
The name Easter derives from the name of a Germanic fertility goddess Eostre. She was celebrated on the anglo-german calender month Eostur-mónaþ (translation: "easter month") which is the equivalent of April.
late 19th century scholar Charles Isaac Elton theorizes a connection between these customs and the worship of Ēostre. In his late 19th century study of the hare in folk custom and mythology, Charles J. Billson cites numerous incidents of folk custom involving the hare around the period of Easter in Northern Europe. Billson says that "whether there was a goddess named Eostre, or not, and whatever connection the hare may have had with the ritual of Saxon or British worship, there are good grounds for believing that the sacredness of this animal reaches back into an age still more remote, where it is probably a very important part of the great Spring Festival of the prehistoric inhabitants of this island."
I'm agnostic and I celebrate Christmas... my entire family does and they would be rather disappointed if I didn't attend. I don't celebrate the birth of Jesus though.... just the secular stuff.... As for Easter, no.
Agnosticism the position that nothing can be known for certain about the existence or nature of a deity, whereas atheism is the disbelief or rejection of claims that deity or supernatural being exists due to lack of evidence.
Easter and Christmas are not even Christian holidays... in fact God frowns upon the celebration of these holidays. Jesus was born in the fall btw. Here is a very informative article...
"It's true. The Bible doesn't contain an explicit statement saying, "Thou shalt not celebrate Christmas, Easter, or Halloween." However, the Bible also does not have a specific text condemning the use of heroin or cocaine either. Yet most Bible believers would condemn drug abuse by (at some level) using the principle that since the Bible condemns drunkenness from alcohol, it also condemns getting high from drugs.
So, are there any texts that say it is WRONG to adapt pagan customs or borrow the ways of those who worship a false god and use them to worship the true God? These scriptures would, in principle, apply to holidays such as Christmas, Easter and Halloween that have most or all of their customs based in pre-Christian worship of false gods."
