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Do cops seek justice or convictions?

Convictions

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Justice

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2 points

Just as a salesperson is only interested in making a sale so the average cop's main aim is to secure a conviction.

Justice is for the courts to dispense, flat foot just sees you as a notch on his path to promotion.

Side: Convictions
JustIgnoreMe(4334) Clarified
1 point

Just like a salesperson (an most other people), a cop is generally concerned with what is in it for them -

a salary, 20-year retirement with pension, training, etc.

A government's goal should be to align those goals with the interest of society: low emergency call volumes, fast response times, high clearance rates, few complaints, etc.

Side: Convictions
2 points

It depends on the cop. I imagine, hope, most seek justice. Any cop I've ever dealt with has been wonderful and helpful, a public servant rather than a power hungry jerk. So from experience I'd say they seek justice.

Side: Justice
1 point

So from experience I'd say they seek justice.

As opposed to perhaps say, career criminals who almost certainly have had the exact opposite experience. What you should remember is that, for the vast majority of cases, the people involved with (and subsequent victims of) corrupt police officers are those who are already involved in crime. It is much easier to fit these people up, you see.

On an arguably relevant note, meet ex-New York Police Chief Bernard Kerik, sentenced to four years in 2010 for eight crimes, including fraud.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/nyregion/19kerik.html

Bernard Kerik was also the guy who stood next to Rudolph Giuliani on 9/11 and lied to the American public about there being no explosives in the WTC buildings.

"The lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out." Rich Banaciski, Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]

"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion." Brian Dixon, Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)

"I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building." Louie Cacchioli, Firefighter, Interview with People Weekly

Kelley: “Apparently, what appears to have happened is that at the same time two planes hit the building, that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the building which also exploded at the same time and brought both of them down.” Jack Kelley, USA Today.

Side: Convictions
1 point

I would say Kerik falls under the power hungry jerk type. My husbands cousin also had a run in with a VERY corrupt cop so I know there are some that just want the convictions. But all in all I'd say most of them are just people trying to make a difference for the better in their communities and who try to seek justice.

Side: Convictions
1 point

Cops are law enforcement officers. That means they seek to enforce the law. Which means if they see someone who appears to be breaking the law, they see if the appearance of criminality is enough to give them cause to arrest. If it probably does, then they arrest.

If the laws are Just, then the law enforcement officer will be seeking Justice.

Side: Justice

Do cops seek justice or convictions?

It's a stupid question mate. Cops aren't a single entity with a common goal and a hive mind. They aren't the Star Trek Borg.

Side: Justice
excon(14666) Disputed
1 point

It's a stupid question mate.

Hello B:

Really??? I'd think a lib like you would be aware of all the falsely convicted recently having their convictions overturned.. No, huh?

To date, 367 people in the United States have been exonerated by DNA testing, including 21 who served time on death row. These people served an average of 14 years in prison before exoneration and release.

Those convictions occurred because the cops wanted convictions - NOT justice..

https://www.innocenceproject.org/

excon

Side: Convictions
0 points

I'd think a lib like you

I'm not a lib mate. I think libs are only marginally less stupid than Conservatives. A lot saner, but only marginally less stupid.

all the falsely convicted recently having their convictions overturned.. No, huh?

I'm not American mate. I don't follow small developments in the American justice system.

To date, 367 people in the United States have been exonerated by DNA testing, including 21 who served time on death row. These people served an average of 14 years in prison before exoneration and release.

367 ever? Because they would be ridiculously good numbers. The US has the highest incarceration rate and the highest number of prisoners in the world. Over 2 million presently I believe. Rounded up that's 0.02 percent of the prison population which have been proven to have been falsely convicted.

Side: Justice